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Did psychedelics reinforce or change your religious thoughts?

I feel that drugs have played a big part in shaping my thoughts, and I think that if used properly they can be a great tool. I happen to find that the most effective way to use them is to take psychedelics occassionaly. This allows time for integration and you can incorporate the things you learned into your normal life. You don;t need to stay high to get benefits from it. Do I need to be addicted to hard drugs to live a "druggie lifestyle"?
 
Before I did psychedelics I was a firm atheist and against all forms of religion and spirituality. But after my drug use I found myself interested in Bhuddism and other ways of thought. I also am now more open to ideas and opinions from others.
 
Psalm 139.15
"My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. (v.16) Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them. "

It really is about how much Jesus loves us. Just believe in him.

I'll show you what little influence that my small use of LSD had in opening my eyes about certain passages in the Holy Bible.

You have probably read in the book of Acts about when Peter went into a trance and saw a sheet let down from heaven knit at the four corners, containing all manner of four footed beasts, fouls, and crawling things of the earth, and the voice from heaven saying, arise, slay, and eat. And this became an instruction to the saints, that we should not call a man common or unclean, based on his flesh descent.

There was a time that I lived in a house, where my roommate had a tapestry which covered the wall. This tapestry was evidently made by folding it in half twice, and had mostly green dye and some black dye, with a little left white. When unfolded, it had twelve small circles encompassing the whole sheet, and it had one giant black hole in the center, and the black four corners each made one-fourth the size of the big circle. In the creases of the wrinkles of the green, there were the appearance of multi-legged bugs, and shapes of creatures all over it.

It was this sheet that got me thinking quite deeply about these things, how if we were to take that sheet by its four corners, and spin it to rotate the sheet, it would appear as the eath rotates. And if we looked at the sheet moreover, we would notice the large black circle on the very bottom, and the four corners knit together would make another black circle equal to it. This sheet in fact is necessary to consider in order to understand other Scriptures, too: when we read about the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, and the bottomless pit which has its opening on earth, and the kings of the north and the south in the book of Daniel: and their kingdoms are spiritual.

I had to rid that old sheet. When I looked upon it I saw a wicked image of Satan, so I got my roommate's consent, and I took that sheet, and set it on fire and trampled the ashes with my feet in the name of Jesus Christ.

PEACE!!!
 
It really is about how much Jesus loves us. Just believe in him.
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why would i just believe in him? I don't even KNOW he was who he said he was so why would i blindly believe in a guy who operated over 1000's of years ago? no seriously WHY??

i hate the way christians strut around message-boards with a sense of being above the rest, a horrible ignorance that they don't see. do you not see how shallow that statement sounds to me?
' it really is about how much Jesus loves us. Just believe in him'

no i will not just fucking believe in him because IT MAKES NO SENSE TO.
just because aload of self-righteous people have tried to tell me to does'nt mean its the truth.
infact i pretty much KNOW that when i die im not going to arrive at some pearly gates or some firey pit. its just blatently a way to try and humanise the nature of the universe into things dumb people might be able to comprehend.
and please Christians, try to understand, i don't have to claim myself as Christian to become closer to god, I don't have to attend church or read the bible to be accepted by god, all i have to do is be willing, god and people are not seperate they are one and all, and when the religious understand that then, well fuck, there probably wont be religion anymore.
 
socks said:
^ nah, but he deserved it.
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And you are right. When someone so arrogantly comes on with their own experiences, and claims salvation, they seem to forget others' get the same but aren't so obnoxious about it. Christians excel at this (as do others from the "big 3" but the other cults have their annoyers too, definitely)

Jesus hasn't been the only road to "heaven", but christians seem to forget that.
 
He deserved what? How childish! The poster posted a post in context of the threads original post, and did not call anyone for conversion, or tell anyone they are going to hell...yet, he deserved to be attacked? Some peoples bias and hatred never change and can never be hidden.
 
i went from being an athiest to an agnostic.

i also had some very bad trips that scared the living shit out of me and i'm still suffering from it.

i just think it is crazy that i exist, that you exist, that we are living on this big ball just spinning around a big ball of fire.

I get panicky sometimes when i think about it, thinking of does god exist, how we are here, where we came from, where the universe came from, has it always been here, what's outside the universe (if thats possible) what will happen when i die and stuff like that

its just too weird that anything is happening at all.

maybe i should talk about my problems in the dark side! infact i think i will

but yeah, it has changed my views on religion, because you can't prove that god exists, but you cannot prove he doesn't either.
 
Socks: It appears he was just explaining what the verse he quoted ment.

DarthMom: I'm sure people will disagree with me, but these are my beliefs, I have no intentions of argueing with you, I'm just stating my beliefs, and I respect that your just stating your experiences/beliefs.

Peace :)
 
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My psychedelic trips have had religious "overtones," but I've never been positively motivated to believe in a deity during a trip.

My trips are religious to the extent that simply looking down under my feet seems cosmicly significant. But in general, I keep my skepticism while tripping.
 
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I know. Stuff like it is reducing the overall quality of this forum... :|
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>>My psychedelic trips have had religious "overtones," but I've never been positively motivated to believe in a deity during a trip.>>

Is the pantheistic "god" a diety?

ebola
 
I know. Stuff like it is reducing the overall quality of this forum.
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sorry dude, I always try to make a good contribution, i've just got an annoying pre-conception of christians that raises its head occasionaly.
i hear by apologize for ranting at christians on T&A :)
 
Psychs for me didn't change or reinforce my religious beliefs but only offered the physical pleasures/journeys which was an experience to say the least.

I see psychs and all drugs as mind altering substances. In my experience illigeal stubstances(drugs) 99% of the time make one set or determined on an idea, theory, or ambitious on a particular task or goal(Oh how many times I've been there, countless=D ) I might be just a bit lazy haha,

religious thoughts in this case in which i believe that after the person sobers his/her same feelings as to what they felt and belived are numbed. They still remember what they were thinking/thought at the time but the strong feelings are dulled given time.

Sorry if sounds cynikal, what happens mostly given time after i sober.


socks said:
why would i just believe in him? I don't even KNOW he was who he said he was so why would i blindly believe in a guy who operated over 1000's of years ago? no seriously WHY??.
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I believe in the christian faith and I understand 100% your frustration towards the belief, but I dont believe anyone had a gun to your head for conversion. I realise when you hear of heaven and more so of Hell, unless someone hasnt had a personal experience such as a visitation or extremely vivid dream how is the unbeliever to know??I do get a little upset/confused about it,
weather or not people have that divine knowlege of God/Jesus I dont know, but its about the faith. Once in your heart you feel it is a true faith it is then you will start to develop a relationship with him. We believe the devil, Satan is out there. His strongest point is twisting the truth so you get off the tracks of faith, even if slightly, when you think conclusive doubts in regards to the faith hes onto the next person, the devil and demons are not omnipresent like God is said to be.
Today more than ever you see books webpages saying that Jesus never existed?, Jesus didnt walk on water he walked on ice? and many other accusations..
What about Buddha, Hindu, Islamic, you never hear about skeptics of the other religions nor use any of their there prophetts names as derogetry slander.

2 Pet 2:1 [NIV] But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.

To help your faith, this by no means prove to you who Jesus is, thats everyones spiritual journey if they choose to accept, did you know that-
- Biblical artifacts have been found.
- pieces of the cross,

When I see someone that lashes out at a comment of a believer of christ I can only assume that within their heart they have if not small, a shimmer of belief that the scriptures speak truth,

You dont have to read the bible and go to church to be a Crst.
 
Yeah, LSD, XTC, Psylicibe, Peyote:

If these substances were free & legal ppl would see the light, the Doors of Perception would open and there would be worldwide Peace, Love & :)

These substances/sacraments are much better than anything the Bible thumpers or psychiatrists will give you.

Jesus-Christ (if he existed) was the Logos (logic) of God (see definition of "Logos" & etymology of "logic"), Logos and Psychedelics, aka entheogens, could save the world.

"Saint" Paul is anti-christ because he is illogical (or trite).
 
Grim said:
"There is no matter as such! All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter." - Max Planck
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I have come up with this conclusion too! I actually posted that thought earlier today. woah.. I am going to look up max planck 8o
 
my pantheist / buddhist / taoist beliefs are in tune with what I learned from psychedelics. it was psychedelics, in fact, which made it clear to me that I do not want to be an atheist. even being an agnostic won't do. ketamine more than any other drug has taught me that the law of kamma is correct, and that we actually never die, since the physical realm is but one of many
 
"Jesus-Christ (if he existed) was the Logos (logic) of God (see definition of "Logos" & etymology of "logic"), Logos and Psychedelics, aka entheogens, could save the world. "

interesting, i beleive jesus was christ and christ is the concept that your speaking of (jesus jsut being the guy who lived it). remember folks jesus's kingdom is not physical it is spiritual. of the mind.

"We believe the devil, Satan is out there. His strongest point is twisting the truth so you get off the tracks of faith, even if slightly, when you think conclusive doubts in regards to the faith hes onto the next person, the devil and demons are not omnipresent like God is said to be. "

actualy the devil, Satan is IN there. not so much is it "his" point, but more of the nature of the concept we call "satan". just as christ may be that god logic the devil is then the twister of that logic, imperfect logic that is clearly flawed (which is most of christianity if you still want to call it that), geting off track of faith is just a result of a succesful atack on your thinking (my thinking too i fall to it alot, if i didnt i would be the christ out there). theres something in the human instinct i believe that lets people KNOW when something is the truth.

which is a good segway to what im about to talk about and my reply to the original post.

DMT has taught me that things simpily ARE. IS. reality IS reality. it helped me understand that peoples thoughts ARE there thoughts (obvious i know but it realy is amazing). now, people that claim to be christain may or may not acutaly be. people that dont claim to be christian can be living a more christian life that people who claim to believe. your CLAIMS mean nothing, they may just mearly be a tool used by "satan" in twisting the understanding of things. if they are THEY ARE. sometimes only YOU know the REAL truth.

i take neither side in this argument. your beliefs mean nothing. we can (and i have) argued over these things. but it is pointless. preach love, we can all agree on that. ASK YOURSELF (the truth though be honest, if not with everyone at least with yourself!) what is true and have a good heart, no man can tell you what to beleive.

many of the people on here have realized that christianity is bullshit. if i understood christianity in the way you do i would too say it is. THINGS ARE what they ARE.

i used to think some people couldnt handle certian things or had biased opinions and judgements on people because of the ways my perception twards them was twisted, sometimes by the person themself. however no matter how i understood them they are the way they are. concepts and peoples understanding dosent mean ANYTHING compared to someones INTENSIONS with the knowledge or truths they have been given.

God through my use of dmt has shown me just how equal people actualy are on a spiritual level.

you are ALL seekers of truth. no matter who argues whom it dosent matter at all. things are what they are. god isnt what alot of people think it is. but they may still listen to god and follow god just as much if not more than someone who does know what god is.

we are ALL ONE. if you try to controle (think in terms of understanding greater than your own understanding, the way you will preceive something and the way another will preceive the same thing) two you loose half of the controle over YOURSELF, who is ONE. when you cannot controle yourself you will be decieved.

knowledge dosent matter, what matters is what you do with that knowledge.

GOD JUDGES THE HEART (please read all the small print thats not in caps lock too, im paranoid about people not reading my whole post) do what you want.

dmt both changed my beleifs (re-aligned?) and reenforced my beliefs as a CHRISTIAN (though practicing christianity is a rather dificult task when you choose actions that blind you from understanding good intension, such as choosing not to aknowledge that things ARE WHAT THEY ARE).


edit: WOW, i just understood something. the greek for word is logos. "the word of god". OH MY. thats why people have misunderstood that.
 
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