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Social Did psychedelic prohibition make society dumb down?

Really should only be legal to use Psychedelics when you turn 30yrs and over. As an adult.
By then you will have been able to grow a mushroom. <3

Also seriously ... and Psychedelics should be for Adults Only.

Learn Harm Reduction and Healthy Choices, Spirituality. As well as Responsibility. To start. My feeling.

However, being young is quite intriguing. Lol. :limp:
 
Really should only be legal to use Psychedelics when you turn 30yrs and over. As an adult.
By then you will have been able to grow a mushroom. <3

Also seriously ... and Psychedelics should be for Adults Only.

Learn Harm Reduction and Healthy Choices, Spirituality. As well as Responsibility. To start. My feeling.

However, being young is quite intriguing. Lol. :limp:

Yeah I actually totally agree, don't know why I couldn't put together the words until now but yes - our brains aren't even fully developed until our mid twenties.

The thing about psychedelics that I am hesitant about supporting as a common every day type of thing is that it's very hard to describe what they even do.

I've tripped shrooms more than once, had a tab of acid on 3 occasions, and the scary party in my experience is just the inability to explain what happened.

I can tell you about the sensations, but those drugs are so much more difficult to, let's say, to see direct cause and effect?

But yeah for the title of the thread it's just plainly the television. The television has dumbed us all yes. And all subsequent technologies.
 
Is OP the poster that thought they were connecting with a bug or controlling a bug with their mind while under the influence?... i went through MISTER-ED's profile a couple weeks ago wondering if it was him, but i couldn't find the post, so maybe i'm not thinking of the right poster. i could've sworn there was a poster talking about connecting with a bug. i have experience with that. i have some more thoughts about it that i'd like to talk about if it's the same poster.

sorry if that's a different poster... just wondering if that's poster MISTER-ED that i'm thinking of.

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I Don't really get non dualism @ this thread btw... poster MISTER-ED is not alone
 
Very true, once you have understood what smoking DPT, Salvia, 5-MeO_DMT etc shows you & have "digested" the teaching it's over with.
Alan Watts - ""If you get the message, hang up the phone. For psychedelic drugs are simply instruments, like microscopes, telescopes, and telephones. The biologist does not sit with eye permanently glued to the microscope, he goes away and works on what he has seen."

I’ve always loved that Alan Watts quote
 
from what i understand about non dualism, it makes me think that there is evil to fuck with people which results in people making music and art to express the pain. a lot of it is good.. i wonder if the sounds and particular feeling of a lot of good music and art would exist with out pain... i don't see why it couldn't just be a bit different art and music, but maybe the universe wants us to experience this.

i can't say i really get it though. non dualism the idea that "all the things "in" the world are not really distinct from each other but together constitute some integral whole." makes me think that i'm not distinct from some evil child molester or something... i'm pretty sure one of the dudes in my favorite bands was molestsed. maybe that's making me one with child molesters or something because the music is the result of a person's terrible experience.

makes me think though, "hurt" by NIN could've been about a parent break up or something that's not really that terribly big of a deal... ... for me to find child molesters as a part of the universe is some whacky shit. maybe i don't get non dualism. i don't get what "we are not really distinct from one another" is supposed to mean. non dualism is like saying everything is one. there are certain energies and thought processes, not all energies and thought processes need to be here. i can't really believe it.. anyways not really the point of this thread..

maybe i just don't get non dualism... i don't see how taking psychedelics would get a person to understand that any better. not my experience... i believe in spirit energies and synchronicity with out drugs and have speculated strongly about it before using them.

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@ the OP i know people with schizophrenia are supposed to have it anyways, so i guess LSD has never caused schizophrenia, but i think you might be doing some wishful thinking to say that LSD has never caused long term psychosis for anybody.
 
i'm not talking about NIN's about the band with the person being molested btw.... i just don't think "hurt" would exist if the world were a perfect place and it's a pretty awesome experience.
 
That is one of the most Sincere and Sweetest things I have ever heard.

Thank You.


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Yeah I actually totally agree, don't know why I couldn't put together the words until now but yes - our brains aren't even fully developed until our mid twenties.

The thing about psychedelics that I am hesitant about supporting as a common every day type of thing is that it's very hard to describe what they even do.

I've tripped shrooms more than once, had a tab of acid on 3 occasions, and the scary party in my experience is just the inability to explain what happened.

I can tell you about the sensations, but those drugs are so much more difficult to, let's say, to see direct cause and effect?

But yeah for the title of the thread it's just plainly the television. The television has dumbed us all yes. And all subsequent technologies.
 
Is the world really ruled by a small group of hyper-wealthy psychopaths ?

...... No !!! It would have been on the news, which is owned by that small group of hyper-wealthy psychopaths. ;);)



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Don't learn to deal with life without intoxicants.
With psychedelics you learn to live. and be on alert.
 
Is OP the poster that thought they were connecting with a bug or controlling a bug with their mind while under the influence?... i went through MISTER-ED's profile a couple weeks ago wondering if it was him, but i couldn't find the post, so maybe i'm not thinking of the right poster. i could've sworn there was a poster talking about connecting with a bug. i have experience with that. i have some more thoughts about it that i'd like to talk about if it's the same poster.

sorry if that's a different poster... just wondering if that's poster MISTER-ED that i'm thinking of.

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I Don't really get non dualism @ this thread btw... poster MISTER-ED is not alone
Nope didn't post anything about bugs, oh wait a minute once when I was high on MDA I tried to get a grashopper to move off my shoulder with my mind, the rascal pooped on my shoulder, I don't recall if the grasshopper moved off my shoulder or not. Maybe my efforts were rewarded in moving the grasshoppers bowels.
Tell me if anyone has not experienced weird shit taking halluciogens?
 
Nope didn't post anything about bugs, oh wait a minute once when I was high on MDA I tried to get a grashopper to move off my shoulder with my mind, the rascal pooped on my shoulder, I don't recall if the grasshopper moved off my shoulder or not. Maybe my efforts were rewarded in moving the grasshoppers bowels.
Tell me if anyone has not experienced weird shit taking halluciogens?
i see... i thought you were experiencing something else... i have some speculation of what it would be... i was wondering what the deal was with that story....


i think there might be energies emitted by humans that can't be picked up by science yet and nature can pick up on that and reflect that... i'm really not sure though.. i think i might be able to foresee nature. it's de ja vu.. sometimes i think it's not really spirit energy being emitted, but time doesn't really exist and some one could say sense knowing what a bug was going to do because of short range glimpses into the future..

pretty weird rabbit hole. i'm not sure if i'm schizophrenic and just making to big of a deal out of things and rearranging stuff in my head.. idk, totally could be crazy, but i think there is something spiritual to nature.
 
To answer the question posed in the topic: yes, as part of the general, rapid, and ever-more-comprehensive prevalence of state prohibition of substances.

Immediately, LSD, MDMA/MDA, psilocybin/psilocin, mescaline, ketamine, and cannabinoids should be de-prohibited and de-stigmatized via publicizing medical/scientific and clinical fact, and made safely available to competent adults at will and readily and in all medical too - easy medical access being perhaps the preferred method, at least initially.

The shift benefit to the world entire would be of incomprehensible magnitude, and near-instantaneous. All the pain, anxiety, depression, physical or mental traumas or ailments of all sorts, which could suddenly be treated with radically different medications with potential for drastic efficacy? Seems worth the risk of even just giving it a try. And the benefit of an altogether healthier humanity? Progress, inexorably, in my estimation. It is our myriad sickness across all domains that inhibits us in any endeavor whatever.

The boon to research, medicine, health, creativity, inter- and intra-personal understanding and thus inexorable progress would almost invariably equivocate with greater knowledge and perspective, if not intelligence.

And just ask me what abundance doing the same to morphine, amphetamine, and cocaine would offer! Ha ha

I am not, however, promoting phenylethylamines as a human panacea. Simply one tool of many of the pharmaceutical and generally psychoactive sort that humanity patently absurdly persists generally denying itself all of a sudden in the 20th and 21st centuries access to the tremendous boons thereof - and what's more, insists on dehumanizing, detaining, murdering, or otherwise destroying scores of people in the process, whilst so many others languish for lack of the unique benefit certain pharmacologies offer. And we become stupider and barbaric as a lovely ancillary, indeed.
 
For being an acid enthusiast you seem pretty ego driven and close minded - I thought that was supposed to be something we overcome on psychedelics?
He's a boomer, Hippyocrites. They got drugged up, naked, made music that pissed off their parents, fucked in the mud and became yuppies and still cling to power.

Yeah, revolution. life was good so they rebeled.

Then most grew up and basically the message was "Do as we say, not as we did." Then they talk about hard work.
They were handed, the keys to success.

Thanks for the 10's of trillions in debt and the wars on all you did. Hypocrisy.



Yeah, they went on to tell my generation how much fun they had, while ruining everything and are still desperately trying to hold control.

It is no wonder my generation is the slacker generation and the Y generation hates the boomers more than us!

Us GEN X'ers, many of us just don't care.
We witnessed their hipocrisy and authoritarianism, while talking about all the wild shit they did.

It was great, you can't do it. Yeah, the boomers were somehow wiser. Like someone born into royalty. LMAO

The ones that were kind enough to leave future generations 10's of trillions in debt, export all the good working and middle class blue collar jobs overseas, exploit the financial system to rob future generations.

Ah yes the generation that only cared about themselves and still only does.
They had freedom. Then they decided to take that and everything else from future generations.

Why are you people surprised at his ego and arrogance.

At least the ones who then went on to take control, have it easy, utilized cheap tuition, got easy great paying jobs, and became something.

I guess self-absorbed and out of touch, even with other former hippie wannabes; means escaping from reality and calling it a spiritual journey.

Really, getting fucked up and bragging about the 60's and 70's and all fun you had and these hypocrites helped shape the modern(k war on drugs.

Of course not all were like that, but this is about the self righteous and spoiled brats.

Go ahead try bringing up Vietnam. You were actually too young to get drafted.

See, that is why boomers really piss me off.

All these rich boomers who set everything to make their lives good and screw the younger generations.

The WW2 Generation worked hard and tried and overall succeeded in providing a better life for their kids.

The boomers set into motion a self centered and greedy system to only benefit themselves.

I feel bad for the Y generation. They have or had goals, ambition and drive. But none of the advantages the boomers, h .

The Gen X'ers are also product of the self centered and spoiled boomers.

They passed their great parenting skills to my generation and it got worse but, I will say a lot of millennials had hopes, dreams, worked hard and got shafted like so many from my generation who just, were the product of indifferent and self centered parents.
 
I don't think it's a conspiracy. LSD was an amazing tool for personal growth, but I also had episodes that severely fucked me up that I am lucky to have recovered from. I took way too much once and was in acute psychosis for a month, and it took 6 months to feel totally normal again. I was not "pre-disposed"... I just took too much and burned my fucking brain out.

I've worked in harm reduction at festivals and in the downtown east side here in Vancouver. I've also worked at testing sites. Psychedelics can and do fuck some people up, sometimes permanently. I have a friend in Toronto right now whose brother did ayahuasca when he was 19. It activated schizophrenia in him, which is now permanent. 20 years later, he just spent Christmas in the psych ward because he was found walking down the side of the 401 highway with his shirt off in freezing temperatures, thinking that traffic was a video game.

The government didn't outlaw these substances because they want to hold back humanity. The war on drugs is an abject failure at preventing access. I've never been that hard pressed to find psychedelics when I wanted them, ever in my adult life. There's always someone who knows someone. I think they have been illegalized because they can actually harm people. I'm not saying I agree with their scheduling. I'm just pointing out that government tends to react harshly to new things that show any semblance of harm, with banning.

In most of the education programs I've been in, especially the graduate ones and above, people are doing psychs to solve complex creative problems. It's an open secret.
 
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