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TDS Diclazepam for Clonozolam Withdrawal (need help)

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formakashic

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I've been taking clon for about 3 months pretty much daily now. I know trouble. My doses were mostly .7mg/day but for the past week its more like 1.4/mg a day. The reason I started clon is because I am at the end of a suboxone taper and let the benzo get out of hand. Of course. I tapered down my suboxone use over a year down to .125mg. My last dose was yesterday and am taking a 5 day weekend now to deal with whatever suboxone wd I might experience. I'm actually not too worried about that and if it does get really bad, I don't mind upping my clonozolam dose for just a few days.

Anyway, I know when this is over, in about a week, I need to get off this clonozolam. 3 months isn't a terribly long amount of time but is is clonozolam and I understand how strong it is. After doing a bunch of research, it seems diclazepam will be good for me to switch over to and taper down from. I've been on opiates for too long and now to have to deal with a benzo taper is kind've annoying. I know it's my fault.

I just have a few questions. WHat's the best way to switch over? Take my morning clon and then that night start taking my diclaz nightly and leave the clon behind? What do you think id a good starting dose for the diclaz? I'm hoping like 2.5mg will do to start. And then do you think a 2 - 3 week taper is enough time? Like I said, I don't think I let my clon addiction get too crazy and it's only been 3 months. I would love to be done with drugs within 3 - 4 weeks.

Thoughts? Advice?

Thanks everybody,

Jackie
 
Hi formakashic -

I would recommend using the Ashton manual to plan a taper - all the information you need is in there. Here is the link:

http://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/

If I were in your position, I would wait a little while after quitting suboxone before quitting benzos, as that withdrawal can be a little tougher and you need to be ready for it. Fortunately, you have been on them long, and doing a slow taper should minimize the slugger of withdrawal, but any discomfort could push you back toward opiates.

I also recommend you look into non-medicinal relaxation techniques to deal with stress and anxiety, such as mindfulness, meditation, yoga, clean eating, and plenty of quality sleep. A large part of getting and staying sober is being able to handle stress in a healthy way. Another important aspect of health and recovery is to confront the issues that are driving you to use substances, and deal with them. If you don't address the underlying issues you risk getting caught in the addiction cycle or starting and stopping substances continuously. I went through that cycle for years be ws only able to find lasting sobriety after dealing with my issues. It's a painful and difficult process, but so liberating when you get to the end where you are no longer burdened with issues and are no longer a slave to substance.

Good luck!
 
Thank you so much for the sound advice. I am on day3 of no suboxone and its not entirely horrible. I am actually more fearful from the clonozolam. At the end of the next week I swill switch to diclapezam and need to be off within a month's time. Since my clonozolam addiction 3 months, I don't see that being that not doable. The reason is that I am moving to the UK, will not have access to health insurance they just banned RC-benzos literally a day go.

I am thinking of starting at 4mg diclaz and doing taper like so:

6/3 4mg
6/6 3.5mg
6/8 3.25mg
6/10 3mg
6/12 2.75mg
6/15 2.5mg
6/17 2.25mg
6/19 2mg
6/23 1.75mg
6/25 1.5mg
6/28 1.25 mg
6/30 1mg
7/2 .75 mg
7/5 .5mg
day off
2-3 Days Of Phenibut and hopeully be not too bad

I cant go past 7/8 on this taper and i cant switch to diclaz until this subozone wd chills a bit.

Thanks again,

Jack
 
It looks decent. If you could make it a little longer that may be better. If it were me, I wouldn't use the Phenibut. Phenibut is a GABAergic drug and could possibly make the situation worse using it at the tail end of the taper. It's also fairly addictive, and the addiction happens quick (matter of days). I would strongly advise that you stay away from all GABAergic drugs (benzos, alcohol, pregabalin, gabapenton, phenibut, etc) until you are finished with both acute withdrawal and PAWS (protracted withdrawal) as they have an affinity for each other and you're liable to initiate the process all over again. Stopping GABA drugs puts one at rush for excitoxicity which takes a long time to recover from (it's taken me roughly 6 years to get back to 80% ).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excitotoxicity

Out of curiosity, why can't you continue the taper past 7/8?
 
I'm moving to the UK, won't have health insurance for a little bit and they literally just banned rc-benzos like 2 days ago.
 
That's really tough - I'm so sorry. I have never been to the UK (would love to visit one of these days) so I have no suggestions. Can you see your doctor before you leave and see if they can prescribe anything?
 
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I live in london uk doctors are ok as long as you dont lie and can prove what meds you have been on , i always have got diazepam by being honest and showing them history of useage and methadone of course im on nhs so its all free for me as im not working. I take it your american so how does it work for you they surely have to give you controlled medicine in a strict country like britain.
 
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