Diclaz/Pyraz taper off all RCs back to baseline

[DylanS4C]

I’ll try to make it short as possible basically in November I learned the oh so wonderful world of RC’s and I’d been scripted 2mg if Klonopin daily (I still am, have about 40 .5mg left) I get 120 0.5mgs a month, anyways it started with a couple boxes of Etizest-1 etizolam, and was amazing how Well it worked and I’ll I’ll be completely honest I abused it a little bit from the beginning I went from taking four or five of them to 15 of them with and probably a week but that only lasted a couple weeks and then I was out and back to my regular Clonopin which I didn’t notice any tolerance a uppage from that.


Long story short I don’t know the exact amounts and what not because 90% I was too lazy to keep making solutions and was just using 5mg scoopers which I know I know, dumb. Especially when the weight of each chemical is completely different even if it looks the same in the bag and it looks the same amount it’s not. So from November to mid January so about two months let’s say maybe 2 1/2 months I used or went through I should say about 3/4 of a gram of FluAlp, then almost a gram of flubromazolam, And probably a little bit of clam but not very much because I just got like 50 or 75 capsules that were 2 mg.


But for the last well over a month I haven’t made anything besides I think 1.5 g etizolam solution at 10mg/mL And a lot of it was me thinking I was taking a lot more than I really was like was because I went through 500 2mg Etivan pandas and 3mg etisafe rhinos, come to find out they’re not even a real pharma company blister Etizolam. We all know the man behind the creation of the, well call him “M” and i’ve had multiple people do multiple tests and samples and even a couple MSGS tests and most of them are very underdosed if not barely dosed at all.


Anyways, to keep it short I have about 6 grams of etizolam powder, 2 grams of pyraz and about a gram of Diclazepam, I have clam and FluAlp but I have touch the clam or FluAlp or flubromazolam in a couple weeks just a lot of etizolam. I can probably take 40-50mg and barely feel nice and content, and I know my source and it’s not the best Etizolam, still good. But the pyraz and diclaz I have are top quality, very very good.


To put it into perspective Beginning if November 3mg if Klonopin was like a higher end dose at night and right now I need about 7mg to feel that. So I’m not sure if I should use it include any if the etizolam in the taper, I have 4 scales so I can weigh things well, have nice big vas’s amber bottle with droppers and a gallon of pure 100% PG. like I said the gram if clam and FluAlp I’m not even touching, I just wanna taper back down to my baseline of 2mg kpins doing the trick if not go down even further. That’s the basic story. A couple months of the potent RCs, a lot of etizolam and now my tolerance is here. I made a PG diclaz solution of 2mg/mL and still need to make the pyraz solution which I will be doing after this.


Unfortunately there’s no “Ashton manual” for a couple months if RC benzos now this is how much diclaz/pyraz to take daily to taper down comfortably. Any ideas, suggestions? I know 1mg - 10mg Valium (roughly) but no idea what pyraz will do and help with along with the diclaz I’ve just been told both those together after only a couple months should take too long or be too hard to do. Started at 2mg kpins, 3mg higher end. Now 7mg easily and I’m nice and comfortable and that’s with a little Etiz added. Is there any links, or firm threads on here or anywhere that could help better? I genuinely just don’t know how much diclaz to start with.



7mg kpins is like damn near 120mg of Valium, I was thinking 12-14mg diclaz nightly and see how that goes, and what adding the pyraz will help with? I just had just newborn daughter and I can’t be taking benzos just to function, I’m already on 12mg of Suboxone daily for the past year which I’m tapering off my sub Dr thinks wait a few months while the chaos of a newborn daughter dies down first.



If anyone can help with how much diclaz should replace whatever I’ve been taking and also what the pyraz is supposed to be used as, an aid? It hie pyraz is used and its equivalency to Klonopin etc. as you can tell I’m a little lost on HOW exactly to taper the best I can. I can give more info for anyone that wants to reach out or comment your advices/experiences. I’m getting a little scared tbh, even though I have everything plus some. (Sidenote) in haven’t barely taking any of my Klonopin to save as many as I can do by next refill I’ll have quite abit extra. Thank thank thank in advance. (Sorry for any spelling errors, I’m abit sleep deprived with the newborn daughter)



Again, thank you, this is vital to my life and ability to function correctly and it sleep all day half the time and getting this back down to where it was is a lifesaver. So, thank you. Sorry for any misspelling I’m very very sleep deprived just having a newborn daughter 7 days ago. Any suggestions, experiences, literally any help would help so much

 

[d1nach]

Omg are you ok? Im sorry i dont have much to ad. But i only had to stop xanax 3 mg and it was a mess. so i empathize with you and figured id check in to see if your ok.

 

[Mafioso]

That is quite a few different substances, all of which are quite powerful and dosed in mg. I would suggest making a solution out of all of them so you can dose accurately, unless you have a way of accurately measuring down to the mg.

As far as dose goes, it's really going to depend mostly on what the current dose needed to "level" you out. A dose that completely pulls you out of any withdrawal symptoms, but doesn't really get you high. Start with that dose and gradually work down, approximately 5-10% drop in dose every week or two. You may be able to go quicker than this rate, but I wouldn't suggest it unless you are experienced in recognizing benzo withdrawal signs in yourself, some of which may take a few days to really start to show.

As you get towards the end and your dose is very minimal, you can start skipping doses and even days. This would only be in the final 1-2 weeks of your taper before you completely step off.

 

[JoEhJoEh]

I am in the very same situation right now. I'm taking benzos recreationally since 2008 - first it was a bit of Xanax every 3 or 4 weeks, 1mg per day , then I began to overdose once per month when I got my prescription of 50 Xanax 0,5 mg. I took the 25 mg from Friday to Sunday, but just once per month and I never had any problems with it when they were gone.

I'm a therapist and have to work with people so I never used Benzos during the week, perhaps one 0,5 mg Xanax when I could not sleep - and I never can sleep. I'm diagnosed with ADHD and I cannot remember when I slept normally the last years - perhaps as a child?

Then I treated myself with Cannabis right now, but I always just smoke one joint directly before going to bed and when there was no grass I took 100 mg Seroquel which works well and I never had to take more, it always works the same.

I have never been interested in RC-Benzos - no that''s not true, of course i was interested but I never ordered anything because I didn't want to get in troubles.

In October last year a good friend of mine told me she was ordering everything via internet and when I mentioned I would never do this Im to scared she told me she could do that for me...

To make a long story short:

I should never have been tried any RC-Benzo because they pushed my tolerance on extremely high levels - even if you don't believe I'll tell what I'm able to take without any blackout or problems:

50 mg Clonazolam from morning to night - no problem
30 mg Flubromazolam (also in addition) - no problem
10 mg Diclazepam - no problem

Yesterday I made 3 more solutions (1 litre each, 1mg/ml) of Nitrazolam, Etizolam and Diclazepam. But I still have 1 gr Clona, 1 gr 3-Hydroxyphenazepam, 1gr Bromazolam, 1 g Pyrazolam and 2 grams of SL-164, which i did not try yet but I know it's similar to Luudes... Also 60 Blisters of Oxa and 30 of Flunitrazepam I still have here. Plus about 8 gr Cocaine. I know surely nobody believes that, but it's the truth.

I don't know why I'm doing this, really. I think i always want to be sure there is enough at home. Or i did it because i really want to come off benzos and because of that I bought that amount??? I also want to take the Oxazepam to taper off, a lot of physicians are doing it already instead of using Diazepam.

I always mix everything together, also pharma benzos like Oxazepam, Flunitrazepam and Xanax, but like I said - just Friday evening and Saturday. Sunday nothing anymore because I do not need an overhang on Monday when I start to work again. Or when Im on holiday, I take something, too. But never during I have to work.

Now because I was not allowed to work because of Corona I took a lot of course, even Cocaine.

I want to get rid of these Benzos, but because I'm working in the medical sector and because I'm selfemployed I just cannot go to a clinic and do that. I want to do this without staying at any clinic, but of course with a special doctor who knows what he is doing. Nobody but my closest friends should know. I know a few physicians who are specialised in that case but I'm sure they will send me to a clinic to detox. But why detoxing when I'm doing it just on weekends from next week on again?

I'ts just the last 4 weeks I took so much. I was thinking about reducing by myself combined with Carbamazepin so that I'm not having seizures - this is my worst fear ever.But I don't know how, there is no Ashton - Manual for things like that, unfortunately....

But let's find a doctor first..... Wish me luck!

It's not easy but I'm sure we can do it

JJ