Benzos Diazepam

[BourbonMac]

The prozac withdrawals are kicking my ass the most. One day I think, finally, it's over, but then the brain zaps can return. So much for "you can quit prozac CT, it has no withdrawal" from my GP. Kratom completely gets rid of the zaps. I remember having this issue years back, I thought kratom withdrawal was causing the zaps, but then I found out it was kratom covering up the Prozac withdrawal. I hate how long this shit lasts in your body... 25 days?

My anxiety, depression & C-PTSD reached an extreme point today. Mostly because of physical pain which I have not been responding to mentally very well for the past 2 months. I can tell it's not just my sinuses, it's mostly my neck, it's fucked, absolutely fucked and I don't know how it happened exactly. I can't even rotate it 360 without unbearable pain. I need to see a chiropractor ASAP. Or megadose magnesium or some shit. Today was the worst pain I've been in for awhile, but I got a temperpedic pillow so hopefully that helps... honestly debated on a half gram of shrooms to see if it chills me out some, but it's probably not worth it. I was saving these for a trip to Cape Cod next week.

My black seed oil extract definitely helped, I was like staging killing myself earlier, constantly thinking about dying, but really that's been most of my year. Can't blame myself given the hell this year has been. Like this is pretty bad, and I know it's mostly from rebound effect of quitting both the Prozac and the TCA. I didn't consider the TCA could maybe cause brain zaps as well. I didn't realize it had a similar mechanism of action as SSRIs.

Thanks for the supportive messages either way. I do 100% want to live but man I need to see a professional therapist at some point. I respond so instantly negatively to a lot of things. The other night when I was feeling fine I was reading through old poems and found this from 6 years ago...

I'm petrified with stress
Can't move, can't catch my breath
My mind so blank, I cannot think
I'd thank the Lord for death

Terrible, really. I mean I kind of like the rhythm but... I've needed help for awhile haven't been dealing with it in the correct ways. A lot of my poetry from that period is pretty dark and demented. I was offered Diazepam back then too, I thought that was Xanax, and given I was still a pretty frequent drinker I said no, absolutely not. It's a good thing too because that could have been very problematic.

 

[BourbonMac]

I wanted to give an update. It seems the Prozac withdrawals weren't really the issue, it was quitting the TCA abruptly which was. I went back on it, for now, and would have to taper down as 25mg is a moderate dose, lots of people just take 10mg for migraine conditions. The zaps appear about the same time each night before I dose.

I've been taking a lot of Gabapentin lately, it doesn't really do anything that I can notice, but it must be helping withdrawals given I haven't felt any I could notice, though I suppose lately some days I was feeling more down than usual, or just this itching feeling that something is seriously wrong. Lots of things in my life are, but, Idk, it's a tough thing to try and describe. Like the feeling something very bad is going to happen. Problem is I used up so much of the Gabs that I'm almost out, and I'm not due for a re-fill right away. It's not better to replace benzos with another substance that can cause the same type of withdrawal, although apparently a lot of people quit Gabapentin without any so it's a tough call to make.

Either way I just messaged my doctor yesterday about the possibility of re-try a taper. He simply expected there would be no withdrawals and the same with Prozac which did have strong withdrawals for me at first. A lot of GPs don't understand that long half life doesn't mean no withdrawals. In fact it can mean the opposite, withdrawal for a longer period of time. I'd rather have a short intense withdrawal than a long and drawn out one, but it's hard to say. I'd take the long and drawn out compared to my experiences with Cymablta or Effexor where it was so bad I was unable to function at any level. I couldn't even walk let alone turn my head. People talk about brain zaps but I got entire body zaps where if I made any movement at all, it felt like I was being electrocuted. Prozac was mostly just the brain zaps.

So yeah, he's willing to put me back down to the 2mg tablets. I didn't tell him I was using Gabapentin in larger amounts in it's place, because that wouldn't really help anything. I'm prescribed 600mg a day but have been taking anywhere from 900-1200 on other days, and that's stepping into potential withdrawal territory. It's really shitty that he and many doctors don't think Valium has a withdrawal effect simply because of that idea where long half life = no withdrawal. But, he's just a GP. I've literally watched him google things for information about a certain drug. Nice guy but not very bright... But that's what you get when you have not the best health insurance.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

Like really, is there anything I can take to prevent withdrawal? I'm scared. It's not been 48 hours yet and that's the half life, and I do have some kava capsules but I don't think that will get me through this, I don't even have that many. I just can't see how this isn't malpractice. And yeah, I have gabapentin as well, but that doesn't do anything to me because I've been taking it for almost 2 years at 600mg a day. I'm not trying to run my whole script out dealing with this shit. So frustrated

I don't understand how doctors in the US (I assume you're in the US) are allowed to do shit like that. What happened to "first do no harm"? And that's super-unethical. You're extremely unlikely to have any serious or dangerous effects (like seizures) but you'll also definitely be uncomfortable...anxiety, tremors etc :/
Can you see a different doctor? Or source your own valium and taper yourself off?

 

[BourbonMac]

Wow what the hell, I wrote such a long reply and then I tabbed out, came back and the page refreshed and deleted all of it.

I basically just said people who work in healthcare, especially in the states, tend to be vastly uneducated. I experienced this with an ENT lately, I had major sinus surgery in late May, but was given no indication the extent of the surgery until the day of. My pre-op didn't come until 2 days before surgery and also did not tell me what I was having done. I knew this: maxillary astronomy and polyps removal, but he worked on my ethmoid, frontal and sphenoid sinuses for no reason which have caused me great pain in these areas ever since. Pain I didn't have prior to surgery. But of course, to him, it can't be my sinuses. And when I ask him why I still sound so stuffed up, he just says "that's just how you sound to you." No brah, you didn't know me before this mess. Everyone I know knows I sound stuffed up. And your septoplasty sucked, my septum is still curved, I think it's worsening gradually and will have to be fixed all over again... Some friends suggested I lawyer up and maybe I should. I didn't give consent to the extra surgery, I didn't even have time. They just wheeled me out, gave me a sedative to calm me down, and drugged me to sleep. The lack of consent alone should be enough I'd think... They certainly didn't have me sign anything.

I'm not willing to get benzos off the streets. I felt bad about having to take them even prescribed. They were always a drug I never wanted to touch, but if I didn't, I'd be dead from malnutrition because my dumbass GP ordered me different antibiotics for months before ordering a single CT scan or sending me to an ENT. It messed up my G.I so bad, along with chronic stress and anxiety, that I basically couldn't eat, sometimes couldn't even drink water, without having acid reflux or chronic bloating and constipation. I'm still not 100% normal here but I'd say 85%. I stopped getting reflux forever ago, it seemed my diet or lack thereof was making it worse. I had a barium swallow and upper endoscopy and neither showed any signs of GERD or anything serious.

I just went along with it because I was desperate for my ears to stop ringing like someone was running a vaccum next to me. I could straight up be driving on the highway with music blasting and STILL hear it. If only I knew of the awful pain I'd be in by the end of the year... but it got so much better by last spring that I honestly regret the surgery, somewhat. I'm sure with time Flonase would've reduced the polyps a lot, I can't really say. According to 6 year old scans my sinuses were already messed up, and they held on to them, the same hospital, and didn't refer it to the ENT despite my septum becoming deviated from getting hit by a car.

 

[lolis my thesis]

Hi fellow neck pain sufferer and benzo taker.
Agreed; and good luck with the lack of valium. My doc wont switch me from clonazepam for a long taper, even though I requested valium for taper. "Studies have shown that is not necessary"

My primary doctor knows nothing about my condition. He says "I don't know how to treat your cervical instability". But lectures me to not be so negative(i.e. tell him what my symptoms are) and wants me to switch methadone to suboxone and taper me off of clonazepam; both of which I have been stable on for 20 years. He knows he can't treat my pain so he says I need to be positive and treats me for secondary anxiety and depression. Depression from being in intractable neck pain (spondylolisthesis); which I have had to diagnose myself as my surgeries have never addressed pain; or other weird symptoms which just cause them to shrug and say WTF; why you so weak man!

After a disc fusion; I started on methadone and clonazepam at a pain clinic. A recent x-ray shows movement of my C4 vertebrae 3mm; I have had two fusions, and C4 is on top of them. Surgeries never did much for my pain and other symptoms, supposedly from arthritis or disc bulges. having surgery scares me, but I have not been able to look up for 20 years; and doing so recently so caused a flare up but also turned a lightbulb on in my head. Its so frustrating; and anxiety from my pain doc going to retire and no-one else will sign off on my prescriptions. Opiates are being phased out for pain patients. I don't know for good or bad, but they always have allowed me to work and surf and function. But now I can't and have a constant headache and facial numbness and shoulders/quads burning; which was present 20 years ago but was dismissed. So I am advocating them correcting my cervical instability, surgically. I had lots of injections; and nerve burning, on my own dime as insurance wont pay for em. Go figure. did not help but did help diagnose a condition I didn't know existed until an x ray showed it last month. After 20 years of being dismissed but on pain meds.

If I say my neck cracks way too much; the doctors say its crepitus and don't investigate if indeed, my neck grinds more than it should. So I have to self advocate, play doctor google, or bear with idiopathic pain which they won't treat much longer. Never been on antidepressants and mood stabilizers before, but that's what my primary has decided I need; what I need is less pain, or to have my pain treated.
whew!

I am scared of getting lower on Clonazepam; after 20 years on 2mgs I am down to 1mg and starting to feel it; thanks to the know-little 39 year old doctor, who I really want to like but is glaringly ignorant. Im like spondylolisthesis, look it up please before you decide I need to get off my pain meds but he thinks the pain meds must be making me depressed.

Granted, I could be wrong; but its my life and I am committed to having the instablility corrected; costly injections and PT, chiro, osteapaths, acupunture have done nada or made it worse. I am not wrong that doctors think they know more than you do on any given subject and it isnt always true. It would help if they listened. I am learning to be more assertive.
Im Bojack, Horseman (or Mike)

 

[BourbonMac]

Really sorry to hear about your struggles as well, I hope you can manage to get off of it. You could always try out Gabapentin because it does help surprisingly well. I still haven't gotten the 2mg tablets yet, they're processing. I'm sure with your history of pain and anxiety though, you are probably already well aware of the GABAs.

That's not to say it's masked everything... I've had some fits of rage and feelings of alienation, like something bad is about to happen or is already happening, things are stressing me out more. But that's how things often were while still taking it, it just made those feelings less so. So much is situational, and this drug simply cannot help me get out of these situations. It can only help me cope until I figure something out, but given I pretty much only use it at night, and have resumed using cannabis (something I stopped using earlier this year because issues with my sinuses that eventually required surgery a few months ago made vaping or smoking cause bad headaches). A few weeks prior to surgery I went easy on it and was starting to feel nice again though, sometimes even forgot about the Valium.

It was very difficult and my anxiety actually got very bad, because I'd been smoking for 5 years every day, maybe missing 2 or 3 days before. Valium was like my "night time relax" drug, but that's how I used cannabis, even though it can give me anxiety lol... At least generally if I have to do anything functional during the day, it's not very enjoyable. Valium was similar only in that it made me feel really tired during the day or morning I'd take it.

 

[Valentine4]

Like really, is there anything I can take to prevent withdrawal? I'm scared. It's not been 48 hours yet and that's the half life, and I do have some kava capsules but I don't think that will get me through this, I don't even have that many. I just can't see how this isn't malpractice. And yeah, I have gabapentin as well, but that doesn't do anything to me because I've been taking it for almost 2 years at 600mg a day. I'm not trying to run my whole script out dealing with this shit. So frustrated

Unless you can find a connect, or get some darkweb chems fast, I pray for you - my only other thought is get some Phenibut, where legal; as it may help.

...though if you have Gabapentin that would be likely quite similar alleviation, unless you already have a massive tolerance to it (would likely create phenibut cross-tolerance IME).

 

[LucidSDreamr]

I've used valium at similar rates and time frames and not had problems quitting cold turkey for a few weeks or even a couple months....but I also kept doing methadone which makes things easier

Sleep will be difficult but I don't except anything crazy. I would ASAP find a psychiatrist and explain to him you are dependent on benzos, need them to function and tie it to your diagnosis strongly and what has happened

 

[Jabberwocky]

How do people think temazepam compares to diazepam? Not to hijack the thread or anythiong.

IME Restoril/Temazepam really shines (outshining Valium) at much higher doses than usually prescribed.

I was lucky enough to try almost all BZD’s in my country’s formulary and grateful to have had a doctor who Rx’d 60mg Restoril/night for a long time, as well as 60mg Flurazepam/night for a long time; there was also a trial of 0.5mg Halcion, but that’s another story for another time.

Restoril was almost comparable to Barbitirates at 120-150mg in the sense of a visceral body high and an extreme euphoria relative to all other BZD’s I trialed.

I’d say that 50-100mg Valium indeed has a muscle relaxation that’s quite nice, but the aforementioned Restoril dose range really earns it the “jelly” rep and comes with a euphoria that surpasses even that of Halcion at 0.5-1mg (however with Triazolo’s [including Xanax], which I find incredibly euphoric at high doses the accompanying amnesia really takes away from the experience as I often don’t remember just how good it felt).

TL;DR - Temazies at high doses rival Diazepam at comparable doses.

I am writing this about 45 min after taking 50mg of Valium which IIRC roughly equals 120mg of Restoril (someone please correct me if I’m slightly off on that); even though this is my second dose of 50mg Diaz today (first taken around 9 hours ago) and I do feel profoundly relaxed and at peace and am experiencing the all-round 5 effects of BZD’s, it doesn’t compare to the intensity magnified and highly specific physical anxiety and sedative effects we see when comparing Restoril to relative to Valium when dosage is cranked up.

 

[LivingOnValium]

I find it weird that usually, americans tend to rate temazepam quite high. Here it's the most abundant prescription benzo among oxazepam. No one really likes oxazepam, but it's better than nothing, like chlordiazepoxide. Here the doctors see midazolam and alprazolam to be the most problematic benzos, abuse-wise and with the highest addiction potential. Temazepam was the shit when it was in the eggs (or jellies) which contained temazepam in liquid form. Those bad boys were banned in the early 2000s because everyone with a needle habit was injecting them. The remaining 20mg temazepam tablets are just generally not appreciated as much even though they are fun in high doses. What people are really after here are midazolam and alprazolam. Clonazepam and diazepam come just behind them in their popularity.

Personally, i like the most alprazolam and diazepam equally. Then it would be (in ranking order) midazolam, clonazepam, temazepam and lorazepam. Oxazepam and chlordiazepoxide share the last place.

We also got halcion available for prescription but you almost never see them. I once managed to buy myself a legit blister sheet of 0.25mg Halcion tabs. Halcion was a huge disappointment. I didn't find it to be much stronger than alprazolam mg per mg. So 4 pcs of 0.25mg triazolam felt almost like 1mg alprazolam. I would never waste my money on that garbage. It would be a decent medication if it was dosed higher.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I find it weird that usually, americans tend to rate temazepam quite high. Here it's the most abundant prescription benzo among oxazepam. No one really likes oxazepam, but it's better than nothing, like chlordiazepoxide. Here the doctors see midazolam and alprazolam to be the most problematic benzos, abuse-wise and with the highest addiction potential. Temazepam was the shit when it was in the eggs (or jellies) which contained temazepam in liquid form. Those bad boys were banned in the early 2000s because everyone with a needle habit was injecting them. The remaining 20mg temazepam tablets are just generally not appreciated as much even though they are fun in high doses. What people are really after here are midazolam and alprazolam. Clonazepam and diazepam come just behind them in their popularity.

Personally, i like the most alprazolam and diazepam equally. Then it would be (in ranking order) midazolam, clonazepam, temazepam and lorazepam. Oxazepam and chlordiazepoxide share the last place.

We also got halcion available for prescription but you almost never see them. I once managed to buy myself a legit blister sheet of 0.25mg Halcion tabs. Halcion was a huge disappointment. I didn't find it to be much stronger than alprazolam mg per mg. So 4 pcs of 0.25mg triazolam felt almost like 1mg alprazolam. I would never waste my money on that garbage. It would be a decent medication if it was dosed higher.

Who said I was American

Here Temazepam’s come in 15mg or 30mg, and I agree that the Triazolo’s are very recreational - in high doses.

They used to make 1mg Triazolam’s in the Netherlands I believe, but you may have had a lackluster experience due to ROA - to truly appreciate Halcion use must be IN as intranasal bioavailability is far superior to oral in that specific compound’s case.

Alprazolam is incredibly fun and euphoric, but in terms of subtle nuances, the experience of a 120-150mg dose of Temazepam is purely sublime.

At normal doses (15-30mg in my country), it’s quite meh and I would choose a blue Valium instead any day. For that matter, I’d choose a blue Valium over the “equivalent” dose of 0.5mg Alprazolam as I personally need a bar of genuine pharma Brand-name Xanax (a U94 from my pharmacist given the amount of presses going around) to fully appreciate the drug.

I am genuinely curious how much Diazepam one would have to ingest to get an appreciable amount of Temazepam via Valium metabolism, as I’ve got 40 10mg Diazepam’s left and having enjoyed 10 yesterday in two split doses, I’m curious how much Temazepam I had floating around my body and how much I might need to take next time to get a decent Restoril experience as an added bonus.

Although we too have an abundance of Restoril being prescribed here (it’s the MDs’ go-to benzo for sleep where I am), I’m not lucky enough to have access to them anymore.

 

[Nicocastillo7]

Canada seems to be more free with benzos compared to other places and oddly enough benzo addiction isn't that big here. sure some do but not like in the usa with xanax.

the same here in Argentina, benzos are prescribed as easily as ibuprofen, the use of benzos is not frowned upon among the population and is not considered a serious problem of abuse, Rivotril and Valium are everywhere and I think that the majority of their users are functional adults. I have had a benzos habit for several years, maybe 6 years now, no doctor has bothered to reduce my dose or take me off the benzos, even when I have requested it, if one stops working they change it for another. I really think that doesn't work at all for my anxiety in general, just for withdrawal.
At some point, Xanax became popular among young people, because trap-rap songs mentioned it, but as soon as they saw that it wasn't so "fun" nobody wanted it, maybe to sleep after a lot of coke. but for everyone it's like "meh, no thanks"
People here generally want alcohol, cocaine, weed and mdma, even opiates are not common, we don't have heroin.

 

[Nas47]

Being more then ten years without heroine on black market can say without regret-that is good.H took life of so many young inteligent people.90-ies were black years here.(H was very pure&strong)The problem with meth is big at the moment.Benzos are used in prescribed doses from ordinary workin' people and is not a problem......except patients from methadone clinics,who abuse clonazepam a lot-pop it like candies.Diazepam is not much popular in comparison with clonas&xanax.Mostly older people use it along with lexotan(bromazepam)

 

[emkee_reinvented]

How do people think temazepam compares to diazepam? Not to hijack the thread or anythiong.

There some common point's imo.
-The warmth
-the muschle relaxation
-and the general sluggisness.

They differ a lot to.
-Temazepam is by far the most fast hitting, nearing Alcohol in a pill, I encountered.
-Duration, just as quick Temazepam hits so long Diazepam linger's.

 

[Jabberwocky]

There some common point's imo.
-The warmth
-the muschle relaxation
-and the general sluggisness.

They differ a lot to.
-Temazepam is by far the most fast hitting, nearing Alcohol in a pill, I encountered.
-Duration, just as quick Temazepam hits so long Diazepam linger's.

Worth mentioning that Temazepam’s in the “Medium” category absorption-wise and takes several hours (2-3 hours) to reach peak plasma levels; there are no active metabolites.

Diazepam’s, on the other hand, is Rapidly absorbed and reaches peak plasma levels within 1-2 hours and is metabolized into three active metabolites (Temazepam Desmethyldiazepam, & Oxazepam).

This chart is quite useful:

 

[Jabberwocky]

Temazepam is by far the most fast hitting, nearing Alcohol in a pill, I encountered.

Have you tried Triazolam (Halcion)?

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Have you tried Triazolam (Halcion)?

Indeed I have, for epileptic's it even in a spray nasal bottle, no match to oral 10 mg Temazepam. But oral Temazepam hits fast and is way more euphoric

Oopsy the nose spray was Midzolam, not Triazolam

 

[Nas47]

Think never tried triazolam.(nor temazepam)got once dormicum,but that was generic of some other benzobhypnotic

 

[JTemperance]

Think never tried triazolam.(nor temazepam)got once dormicum,but that was generic of some other benzobhypnotic

Dormicum is midazolam, which usually comes in 7.5mg & 15mg tablets

Have you ever tried cinolazepam? It's a hypnotic benzo that's only used by a few countries in SE Europe (including Bulgaria), where AFAICT it always has the same brand name of Gerodorm/Геродорм and comes in a single dosage of 40mg tablets (≈10mg diazepam).

One of cinolazepam's active metabolites is norflurazepam (a.k.a. desalkylflurazepam), which it shares in common with Dalmane (flurazepam) & some Japanese benzos (e.g. flutoprazepam) and which has also been sold in its own right as a popular RC benzo recently.

 

[Nas47]

Ye broda...here clonaz are very popular.Tried em-it's heavy&strong stuff.even 0.5mg could be active.Too strong for me...ye..gerodorm.was otc before 2-3years.very weak benzo-weakest.
PS.
Ahaa know i see u talk 'bout cinolazepam.gerodorm-don't see any potential in it,but it's good to have some aroundlike i said it was otc.german pharma producer made it.no longer available in pharmacies.nobimport