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Benzos Diazepam Withdrawal

I have always been quietly pleased that my stimulant using days were pretty much over by the time mephedrone et al became incredibly popular. Of the people I know IRL who have tried it, not one of them has had a good thing to say about it.

and I agree, I would say withdrawing from alcohol is way worse than this, probably because it wears off so quickly so maybe it is similar to withdrawing from a short acting benzo?
 
Crampz you can do this. I've in meetings n forums people who have quit alchol, some after 20 years of use. It's up to you but I would stop reading those articles while you are going through the recovery / withdrawal process n look at success stories, things like that for motivation rather than discouragement.
It is hard n may be the hardest thing you've ever done but it doesn't think you have no hope of beating this. Think of how inspiring you'll be to otbers n how inspiring you already are being by tapering benzos. You have to want to give it up more than anything.

Have you attended any AA meetings? Or any equivalent meetings? I don't attend an NA group but I do attend a weekly meeting for people who are in recovery from alcohol or drug addictions.

Sending you a hug n thinking of you. You can do this n you got support here too.
Evey xxxx
 
Crampz said:
I have always been quietly pleased that my stimulant using days were pretty much over by the time mephedrone et al became incredibly popular. Of the people I know IRL who have tried it, not one of them has had a good thing to say about it.
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Mephedrone was very much all about quality. I had access to the 99.9% (I saw the lab test results - something ridiculous like 99.982%) purity stuff and it was incredible. Those hexagonal crystals it made were gorgeous too - it was almost a shame to smash them up to eat them or snort them.

I went on huge benders with mephedrone... And yeah, it feels absolutely incredible but the comedown is hell. I don't think I ever managed to come down a single time without getting myself drunk and I pretty much always ate it orally too. It doesn't get much worse than mephedrone in my opinion but I loved it at the time

and I agree, I would say withdrawing from alcohol is way worse than this, probably because it wears off so quickly so maybe it is similar to withdrawing from a short acting benzo?
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Well I cold turkeyed my alcohol at the start of all of this and the first 3 days I was so sick that I felt like I was going to die. I probably would have it wasn't for the fact that I still had Valium in my system. I didn't think it was possible to sweat so much, I couldn't eat, I felt like I was burning up (probably was)... Yeah, totally not pleasant.

Eveleivibe said:
Have you attended any AA meetings? Or any equivalent meetings? I don't attend an NA group but I do attend a weekly meeting for people who are in recovery from alcohol or drug addictions.
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You know... those meetings actually make me WANT to get intoxicated. They made us go to them when I was in detox and yeah... Not for me. Bluelight is kind of my support group lol
 
MagickalKat777 said:
You know... those meetings actually make me WANT to get intoxicated. They made us go to them when I was in detox and yeah... Not for me. Bluelight is kind of my support group lol
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I could not agree with this more. I actually remember the first time I tried one of those meetings, the first thing I did afterwards was go to the bar on the opposite side of the street and have a few beers. I concur that bluelight is the best! It is supportive in a practical way and I love that, rather than grovelling to a 'higher power' about what a piece of shit I am.

How are you doing anyway? I am kind of wondering when I am going to start feeling the latest cut, it has only been about 4 days so I'm not sure if thats soon enough to feel it, but I actually feel okay physically, not shaking or anything! :)
 
Crampz said:
I could not agree with this more. I actually remember the first time I tried one of those meetings, the first thing I did afterwards was go to the bar on the opposite side of the street and have a few beers. I concur that bluelight is the best! It is supportive in a practical way and I love that, rather than grovelling to a 'higher power' about what a piece of shit I am.

How are you doing anyway? I am kind of wondering when I am going to start feeling the latest cut, it has only been about 4 days so I'm not sure if thats soon enough to feel it, but I actually feel okay physically, not shaking or anything! :)
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Yeah the higher power thing really stuck with me as being counter productive and also hearing all of the stories was just... depressing... Its like... dude, this is supposed to be a support group but you're just making me feel worse. Fuck that.

I was doing okay earlier. Really tired after I took my morning dose (like so tired I could barely keep my eyes open) and I actually managed to go down and get the groceries today without having any issues which is really a first. I noticed that my breathing is not so labored after a bit of physical activity now (that's because of the 90 days of no smoking I'm sure but it is still nice) and my heart isn't pounding through the roof.

I haven't felt the cut either. It may very well be because I'm cutting one pill in half, then eating the other half as my next dose 24 hours later. So I'm getting 1 1/2 pills in one day then eating the half left over from the previous day as my half in the morning the next day ensuring that I get the full 10mg in my system from the same pills and it may also have a lot to do with me cutting the cough syrup out entirely. I'm not too sure which but I won't dwell on it either.

Sleep is still a pain in the ass though.

Eveleivibe said:
Bluelight is the most amazing, supportive most informative forum I've ever been to. Good luck on your next cuts both of you xxx
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Yes, yes it is. I've been on a number of forums and always come back to Bluelight ^^
 
MagickalKat777 said:
Yeah the higher power thing really stuck with me as being counter productive and also hearing all of the stories was just... depressing... Its like... dude, this is supposed to be a support group but you're just making me feel worse. Fuck that.

I was doing okay earlier. Really tired after I took my morning dose (like so tired I could barely keep my eyes open) and I actually managed to go down and get the groceries today without having any issues which is really a first. I noticed that my breathing is not so labored after a bit of physical activity now (that's because of the 90 days of no smoking I'm sure but it is still nice) and my heart isn't pounding through the roof.

I haven't felt the cut either. It may very well be because I'm cutting one pill in half, then eating the other half as my next dose 24 hours later. So I'm getting 1 1/2 pills in one day then eating the half left over from the previous day as my half in the morning the next day ensuring that I get the full 10mg in my system from the same pills and it may also have a lot to do with me cutting the cough syrup out entirely. I'm not too sure which but I won't dwell on it either.

Sleep is still a pain in the ass though.
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Lets hope it stays that way! :). I hate to tempt fate but it has been going so well these last few days and my mind feels 'clearer'. Also, I hate to say stuff like this because I know I will never be able to find that journal article again but I remember reading one that said diazepams half life seems to be approximately twice your age (i.e. if you are 30 it will be 60 hours), which is pretty interesting, I thought it was much longer than that.

Sounds like things are looking up for you too :). This is the first time youve been out since you started doing this? If it is, fair play, thats awesome! :).
 
Just read through your guys thread. I'm at 5mgs myself. I was up to 180 mgs in Jan 2013 (on top of coke, weed, booze and Codeine) . Been mostly using one benzo or another for the last 9 years.

This shit is brutal to say the least.
I've been dropping 2.5 mgs every 7-10 days since hit 10 mgs.

I've been pretty much going insane mentally. Prob aggravating my borderline personality disorder.

Physically it's bad but this is my 4th taper over 9 years. Lol it's easy tho compared to Christmas 2011 when I cold turkey off 4-6 mgs of clonazepam a day for about a year. I went bat shit nuts for a month somehow managed to not die and the paws lasted till about summer 2012.

I'm a stubborn bastard (or so I've been told) and refuse to go any slower as I've been at this a year given I started at 180mg Valium this (last) taper.My doc pretty much asked me how I'm not dead a month ago. I guess because for whatever reason I'm extremely healthy even though I eat like shit, have done way to Many drugs etc.
Maybe its because I'm naturally in shape/gifted genetically or that I'm still semi young at 26.

Anyways best of luck to us I guess. I'm dropping to 2.5 mgs (fml) in a couple days And really not looking forward to going pill free ten days after that. That's when it's gonna be the worst IME.
 
I know how you feel im a slave to Benzos too. I quit uppers, downers, sleepers cold turkey for a year when I found out I was pregnant. The benzo withdrawal was intense for 7 months. I didn't know any withdrawal lasted that long at the time. I swear the ignorance is what got me through along with the strong love for my innocent fetus I was protecting. I don't get high anymore or abuse drugs but I went back to the benzodiazepines thinking I would only take them on bad anxiety days. Now im addicted again. If I don't take them I feel paralyzed in panic. Now how am I going to get off while taking care of a four year old? I can't be paralyzed with panic around her. I feel so stuck. Im here for you I understand your pain.
 
cowardlykamikaz said:
I know how you feel im a slave to Benzos too. I quit uppers, downers, sleepers cold turkey for a year when I found out I was pregnant. The benzo withdrawal was intense for 7 months. I didn't know any withdrawal lasted that long at the time. I swear the ignorance is what got me through along with the strong love for my innocent fetus I was protecting. I don't get high anymore or abuse drugs but I went back to the benzodiazepines thinking I would only take them on bad anxiety days. Now im addicted again. If I don't take them I feel paralyzed in panic. Now how am I going to get off while taking care of a four year old? I can't be paralyzed with panic around her. I feel so stuck. Im here for you I understand your pain.
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Yeah I'm not gonna lie having a 4 year old around would be to hard to handle. Maybe get you family, friends, father of the kid etc to be around and help as much as possible.

I guess I'm lucky I don't have to give a shit about anything and have Canadian Unemployment insurance since last may till next June. If I had to do anything atm or be responsible for anything I'd prob get arrested.

Shit even trying to act normal and not like a prick around my gf/ family is hard
 
cowardlykamikaz said:
I know how you feel im a slave to Benzos too. I quit uppers, downers, sleepers cold turkey for a year when I found out I was pregnant. The benzo withdrawal was intense for 7 months. I didn't know any withdrawal lasted that long at the time. I swear the ignorance is what got me through along with the strong love for my innocent fetus I was protecting. I don't get high anymore or abuse drugs but I went back to the benzodiazepines thinking I would only take them on bad anxiety days. Now im addicted again. If I don't take them I feel paralyzed in panic. Now how am I going to get off while taking care of a four year old? I can't be paralyzed with panic around her. I feel so stuck. Im here for you I understand your pain.
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It fucking sucks. I agree with getting friends/family etc to help you out, that would be great if you have someone you can confide in :). Which benzo are you taking and at which dose? (sorry to be nosey!) but if you haven't already I really would consider switching to diazepam if you can get hold of some (do you have a regular prescription?), I tried to quit from a short acting before I was switched to diazepam and I am finding it much easier to taper now than before :)
 
I had the inevitable crash... I feel like hell right now. I couldn't get any sleep for anything today because every time I lie down and close my eyes, I feel like I'm moving around... Its really uncomfortable.

I can't even focus on Bluelight at the moment. Was just checking in. Today is the 7th day since my last cut. My roommate went and got me my last 120 pills today... I'm not sure how long I'm staying on this cut.
 
I successfully tapered off valium a few years ago. I came down off a large amount of klonopin and xanax onto only 20 mg's of valium a day. Anyways I used the 5mg pills only and took a quarter out of one of my doses 1.25mg's every two weeks until I was done. Towards the end I skipped days to help the diazepam leave my system. Then the first week off took liquid valerien since it's fairly mild just to ease the transition further.

You can cut doses every week if you want. I found that going slow helped me adjust better to life without benzodiazapines. Instead of all at once the taper makes it much easier. By the time I came off I was fine, it took me a few months to feel better and over a year to feel like my old self.

It just takes awhile for the body to recover after years of taking benzos.

Recently I started taking Klonopin/xanax/valium to get through opiate withdrawal, although the situation is not the same as before because I have only been taking benzos at high doses for a few months. I still need to taper. Never thought I would have to do it again, at least it will be much easier this time.

One last thing, when deciding how fast you should taper. Go with what your body tells you. If your one of those people that has been on Benzodiazapines for a couple years then go slow. If your one of those people that have been taking them a few months you might be able to make bigger/faster cuts. It just depends on your body, the length of time you have been taking benzos, and the dose.

Best of luck.
 
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I had the inevitable crash... I feel like hell right now. I couldn't get any sleep for anything today because every time I lie down and close my eyes, I feel like I'm moving around... Its really uncomfortable.

I can't even focus on Bluelight at the moment. Was just checking in. Today is the 7th day since my last cut. My roommate went and got me my last 120 pills today... I'm not sure how long I'm staying on this cut.
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Sorry to hear! :( How is your diet etc at the moment? I have been eating super healthy this last week or so and exercising a lot and I think it is really helping, I haven't noticed the reduction at all, it was 6 days ago. How did it go at the clinic? did you manage to speak with a doctor?

Also, how are you splitting your doses now... 2.5 in the morning and the other 5mg at night?
 
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Crampz said:
Sorry to hear! :( How is your diet etc at the moment? I have been eating super healthy this last week or so and exercising a lot and I think it is really helping, I haven't noticed the reduction at all, it was 6 days ago. How did it go at the clinic? did you manage to speak with a doctor?

Also, how are you splitting your doses now... 2.5 in the morning and the other 5mg at night?
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I actually haven't seen a doctor. I can't get an appointment until the new year.

My diet has been okay... I eat a lot of meat though which is harder to digest and tends to back me up. I'm guessing that I'm backing up because the muscle relaxant effect of Valium is rebounding.

Yeah I take 2.5mg in the morning, 5mg at night. I space them 12 hours apart to try to ensure a steady plasma level as much as possible. I thought about taking an extra 2.5mg today but I'm fighting through it. I'm running on around 9 hours of sleep in two days.
 
Well done, Crampz on the exercising n diet. Can I ask when you say you have not noticed s reduction - do you mean by weight or inches ie your clothes don't feel loser? You won't lose'weight' in the first week or so because you are gaining muscle from exercise (I don't mean bulky muscle like a bodybuilder, your muscles are getting stronger even if your do cardio). Also the 'weight' comes off all the body's so for instance you may have lost weight in your face, neck, fingers etc. Sorry if this is all obvious, I just didn't want you to feel discouraged after all your hard work. I felt that way a few months ago after quitting drinking n I'm doing an MSc in Weight Management, so should know better lol.

The first thing that may happen from tbe exercise n good nutrition is that you should look n feel healthier, your skin n hair wi be soft n people may comment on how you look well? When I did an exercise programme called INSANITY my skin was lovely n soft, hair silky I looked years younger n people pay money through the roof for that when 20-40 minute a day exercise, 5-6 days a week will do the trick for next to nothing. That's from personal experience though not from my course.

Your body is also healing from the drugs/alcohol. Are you taking a multi- vitamin supplement including B12, B6 n omega 3. Almonds, peacons, salmon, broccoli are all good foods for iron, omega 3 n B6.

Keep well n take care,
Evey :) xxxx
 
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