Diagnosed with anxiety but having a hard time getting script benzos

[canadianpeduser]

I was taking clonidine to manage BP at night, and for whatever reason say before I took it my BP would be 159/98 ish with a HR of 81 , I’d take it and test BP 45 mins later and it would read 109/60 with a HR of 120 give or take. This shit was freaking me out. I haven’t figured out why it skyrockets my heart rate like that. But has anybody experienced this or have some sort of idea

 

[Them Witches]

Maybe it has a function, to survive keep going. But you are not 100% disabled

Double limb ambulatory loss w/ prognosis poor, Blind in one eye from 13 chronic eye infections from a non-curable virus living inside my eye, 3 heart disorders, 2 nervous disorders, chronic migraine/cluster headaches, and Schizoaffective disorder. I got disability on the first application and was gifted Medicare A,B, and D at age 43. I do not like being on disability because of the limited income issues and I cannot provide for my daughter the way I desire. At age 42, I was told by Ortho if I continued to work full-time I would be in a wheelchair at age 50. I am 48 now. I cannot do anything outside in the summer b/c the heat increases my BP and pulse so much.

I miss working with my team of tradesman. There is a family bond and brother support. There are many feelings of accomplishments in my trade. Being a 1st class X-rays pipe fitter and 1st class industrial 6G X-ray pipe welder is very honorable and respected in the field for being able to pull-off the impossible. Our company treasured us so much we were allowed to get loans interest free through them up to $10,000 making $50 payments per week towards it. That is something not offered anywhere and it comes in handy in life. Our company insurance covered brand name prescriptions. Brand name Maillinckrodt Roxicodone 30mg 180qty was $350 co-payment per month verse $4,600 out of pocket per month. Lastly, my company had short-term and long-term disability coverage were I was getting 70% of my weekly wage for 6 months at home while recovering from ankle fusions.

It is very possible my trade being exposed to metal dust, smoke, alloys, and weld gases may have caused my heart conditions and nervous disorders.

I was taking clonidine to manage BP at night, and for whatever reason say before I took it my BP would be 159/98 ish with a HR of 81 , I’d take it and test BP 45 mins later and it would read 109/60 with a HR of 120 give or take. This shit was freaking me out. I haven’t figured out why it skyrockets my heart rate like that. But has anybody experienced this or have some sort of idea

Clonidine has never increased my heart rate after 25 years of taking it. This is something you should consult your doctor about. A cardiologist can assign a stress test, echo exam, and Holter Monitor test. Wearing the Holter Monitor showed many things I did not know were going on. You may have AFIB or SVT.

When stopping Clonidine without taper causes rebound pulse issues and blood pressure issues. This really depending on how much you take. 0.6mg daily cannot be stopped cold-turkey.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Double limb ambulatory loss w/ prognosis poor, Blind in one eye from 13 chronic eye infections from a non-curable virus living inside my eye, 3 heart disorders, 2 nervous disorders, chronic migraine/cluster headaches, and Schizoaffective disorder. I got disability on the first application and was gifted Medicare A,B, and D at age 43. I do not like being on disability because of the limited income issues and I cannot provide for my daughter the way I desire. At age 42, I was told by Ortho if I continued to work full-time I would be in a wheelchair at age 50. I am 48 now. I cannot do anything outside in the summer b/c the heat increases my BP and pulse so much.

I miss working with my team of tradesman. There is a family bond and brother support. There are many feelings of accomplishments in my trade. Being a 1st class X-rays pipe fitter and 1st class industrial 6G X-ray pipe welder is very honorable and respected in the field for being able to pull-off the impossible. Our company treasured us so much we were allowed to get loans interest free through them up to $10,000 making $50 payments per week towards it. That is something not offered anywhere and it comes in handy in life. Our company insurance covered brand name prescriptions. Brand name Maillinckrodt Roxicodone 30mg 180qty was $350 co-payment per month verse $4,600 out of pocket per month. Lastly, my company had short-term and long-term disability coverage were I was getting 70% of my weekly wage for 6 months at home while recovering from ankle fusions.

Heard that is a quite specific well paid proffession. Knew someone,
that choose that being that over the chaos of being chef cook.
As it pays good. Nice guy, from Argentina, used to curse Kakalawaka.
[Cow shit]

It is very possible my trade being exposed to metal dust, smoke, alloys, and weld gases may have caused my heart conditions and nervous disorders.

Very assumable, didn t they have you wear protection, gloves/ air-masks etc.
Probably not here they have Polish people remove Asbest unprotected.
I warned him, but when the boss says jump, you say how high. Not integer.

Clonidine has never increased my heart rate after 25 years of taking it. This is something you should consult your doctor about. A cardiologist can assign a stress test, echo exam, and Holter Monitor test. Wearing the Holter Monitor showed many things I did not know were going on. You may have AFIB or SVT.

When stopping Clonidine without taper causes rebound pulse issues and blood pressure issues. This really depending on how much you take. 0.6mg daily cannot be stopped cold-turkey.

Sorry btw if that came over rude my answer, you are of course disabled.
I am healing still, your deceases sounds aggressive,
and like they will only get worse.

But i meant your brain still work s. And i know Physical disability,
means also Psychologically experiencing the consequences.
So these are intertwined anyhow.

Clonidine should lower BP, doesn t HR follow. I have no clue.
But seems to me Clonidine would lower HR along BP.
Never new since recent it was addicting though, otherwise it be perfect.

Holter, AFIB and SVT i have to look up what they mean.

 

[Them Witches]

Very assumable, didn t they have you wear protection, gloves/ air-masks etc.

Yes and no. The metal absorbs through the skin, eyes, and a mask cannot always be worn. Using PPE is most helpful and the best approach.

Holter Monitor is a heart monitor worn for 3-7 days that measure pulse and sinus rhythms.

SVT
Supraventricular tachycardia (SVT) is a rapid heart rhythm that originates in the upper chambers of the heart (atria). It is characterized by:

• Heart rate between 150 and 250 beats per minute
• Regular rhythm
• Often sudden onset and offset
• May cause chest pain, palpitations, shortness of breath, or dizziness
  

SVT is a common arrhythmia that can be caused by various factors, including electrical abnormalities in the heart, stress, exercise, or certain medications. Treatment typically involves medications or a procedure called ablation, which destroys the abnormal electrical pathway causing the SVT.

I also have this disorder
A sympathetic nervous system (SNS) disorder can lead to an increased heart rate, as the SNS is responsible for accelerating the heart rate and increasing cardiac output. This occurs because the SNS releases hormones like epinephrine and norepinephrine, which stimulate the heart to beat faster and with more force. When the SNS is overactive or dysregulated, it can result in a persistently high heart rate, known as tachycardia.

Elaboration:

• Sympathetic Nervous System (SNS):
  The SNS is part of the autonomic nervous system, which controls involuntary bodily functions. It's often referred to as the "fight-or-flight" system, as it prepares the body for action in response to perceived threats.
  
  
• Increased Heart Rate:
  The SNS increases heart rate by releasing neurotransmitters like norepinephrine and epinephrine. These neurotransmitters bind to receptors on the heart, causing it to contract more forcefully and more frequently.
  
  
• SNS Disorders and Tachycardia:
  Various conditions and disorders can affect the SNS, leading to imbalances and potentially causing an increased heart rate (tachycardia).
  
  • Anxiety and Stress: Chronic stress and anxiety can lead to sustained SNS activation, resulting in a persistently elevated heart rate.
    
    
  • Hypertension: The SNS plays a role in regulating blood pressure, and imbalances can contribute to hypertension (high blood pressure), which may also involve an elevated heart rate.
    
    
  • Heart Failure: In some cases of heart failure, the SNS may become overactive as a compensatory mechanism to maintain adequate cardiac output, leading to tachycardia.
    
    
  • Paroxysmal Sympathetic Hyperactivity (PSH): PSH is a rare condition characterized by episodes of intense SNS activation, causing symptoms like increased heart rate, high blood pressure, and excessive sweating.
    
• Consequences of SNS Overactivity:
  While SNS activation is a normal and necessary response to stress, chronic SNS overactivity can have detrimental effects on the cardiovascular system, potentially increasing the risk of heart disease and other complications.
  
  
• Treatment:
  Treatment for SNS disorders depends on the underlying cause and may involve medication, lifestyle changes, or other therapies to manage the overactive SNS and its associated symptoms.
  

 

[emkee_reinvented]

• Treatment:
  Treatment for SNS disorders depends on the underlying cause and may involve medication, lifestyle changes, or other therapies to manage the overactive SNS and its associated symptoms.

Have you tried tuning down the SNS via the stimulating PNS,
the normal biologic system balance we in the west fuck up.
That was definitely not working when i was on Chronic stress.

Or is that not a even option in your condition, it works via training he Vagus Nervus.
Which is basically a two way road between the Gut/ Body brain.
And the training involves all so called alternative medicin that the Asian s.
Developed 5000 years before we could make close.

Visit a Ayurveda dr. with great credential s. He/ she can t heal you.
But can do things no western healthcare offer s.

We have two brain s, the theory now is, as the Gut has as much Neurons.
As the brain, Gut health directly effect mental function, well i believe.
As they are connected by a two way highway.

 

[Them Witches]

Have you tried tuning down the SNS via the stimulating PNS,
the normal biologic system balance we in the west fuck up.
That was definitely not working when i was on Chronic stress.

Or is that not a even option in your condition, it works via training he Vagus Nervus.
Which is basically a two way road between the Gut/ Body brain.
And the training involves all so called alternative medicin that the Asian s.
Developed 5000 years before we could make close.

Visit a Ayurveda dr. with great credential s. He/ she can t heal you.
But can do things no western healthcare offer s.

We have two brain s, the theory now is, as the Gut has as much Neurons.
As the brain, Gut health directly effect mental function, well i believe.
As they are connected by a two way highway.

I am going to look into all of these suggestions. Thank you very much for the sharing this information.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

I am going to look into all of these suggestions. Thank you very much for the sharing this information.

Don t expect a remedy, the Ayurveda treatment i received.
In a short time-frame unlike it is supposed to, but in NL its alternative.
So they back then, not anymore, had the royal amount of 225,-.
To spend on alternative treatments. She was smart started December,
ended January so 450,- total for 3 day s. Well spent insurance money for once !

A 5000 year old medical system. But hey pharmaceutical s, are simple.
And if they are addicting or life long a sure pay.

But i got a treatment for lower back pain that would cripple me for a week.
No Dr or Physio could cure. She made a basin of dough on the spot poured,
pretty warm Ghee and/ or Coconut with Herbs extracted in it.

And since my lower back pain, if it happens it 1 day max, so cured.
The treatment was about 15 year s ago.

Day after she did a Shirodara, i advise to everyone if possible,
for a reasonable price, go for it you won t regret it.
A hot continuous stream of Herb infused Ghee and/ or Coconut,
direct on the Pineal gland/ third eye. The direct effects were ego-dissolving,
and drifting in the most relaxed trip i ever had. It had afterglow,
kinda like MDMA, but no comedown. Or OEV, during i had amazing CEV.
Even Acid can t touch. Though that is not the reason for taking it.

If you read the wiki and the description what it does,
it seems at least to bring homeostasis and promote neuroplasticity.

Wonder if its a lasting effect though. The Vagus nerve info,
i am not sure about as it came from Huberman.
But that meditation, T'ai Chi or Qi Gong are good i don t question these.

Just that the guy was discredited, so it a bit of true or false science now.

 

[docpavor]

Boredom as a cause of anxiety is contradictory... that's depression or you just wanting to get high.

Either way, if you aren't willing to consider natural factors like diet and exercise as effective treatments for anxiety, then you have a lot to learn... about a lot of things.

The anxiety caused by boredom might be just anxiety caused by something that's buried deep and which surfaces when the unconsciois mind has nothing to do.
It doesn't need to be depression.
Exercise for the sake of it and some sort of diet other than not living off junk food won't give a troubled mind enough to do to suppress what's better kept suppressed.

 

[letsparty]

Just reading this gives me anxiety.
Don't get me wrong, those aren't bad suggestions. But they don't work if boredom is one of the causes for your anxiety.

Boredom doesn't cause mental health problems... Time to get off your butt and get a hobby , read , exercise.
If you mostly stay indoors , learn how to cook / eat properly because diet is super important to feeling better. Often times , a person's only pleasure/ dopamine release comes from eating sugar filled garbage, leading to a worse body image , lack of energy and health problems. ( All in causing anxiety)
I wish I had an actual answer as how to get your script but times have changed and especially if you have anything in your past that light tag you as a seeker , then it may be nearly impossible to get your script from a doctor.
I live in the southwest so an hour drive to Mexico and I can get a bottle of 90 xanex / alprazolam
For cheap but even that is becoming more difficult these days .

 

[Deleted member 585202]

Exercise for the sake of it and some sort of diet other than not living off junk food won't give a troubled mind enough to do to suppress what's better kept suppressed.

You might be surprised how much physical health impacts mental health. Tons of science behind it.

 

[docpavor]

I wish I had an actual answer as how to get your script but times have changed and especially if you have anything in your past that light tag you as a seeker , then it may be nearly impossible to get your script from a doctor.

I think this is an answer to the title question of this thread by @canadianpeduser

Time to get off your butt and get a hobby , read , exercise.

But it's not bad general advise.

 

[Señor Moreno]

I’m prescribed clonidine and I would disagree it works as well as diazepam

Oh, sure it doesn't. We were talking about non brnzo alternatives here. It's obvious that ypu are right: clonidine does not work like diazepam for anxiety and it never will.
Another thing about clonidine use is that you need to be careful with it. It's a BP med, so sudden cesation can induce dangerous rebounds of high BP. But it's main problem is when people is taking it as a detox med and then, during the detox process, people may say "fuck it, I will have a opiate hit" when they still have clonidine in their system. That's very dangerous and it's not the first person who have died due to Catapres/ opiate combos, most of times just out of ignorance

 

[Them Witches]

BTW don't know where you are but I've been informed by multiple sufferers of chronic severe pain that levorphanol (Levo-dromoran) was, to them, the most effective medication. Like methadone it has a long duration of action and like methadone, it has NMDA antagonist activity that may enable it to manage pain 'classic' opioids do not.

Levorphanol "the forgotten opioid" sounds like a winner in my book and a great tool for opioid rotation. Also a great replacement for Methadone.

It seems it is a difficult Rx to obtain due to doctor's lack of awareness for it, most pharmacies do not carry it, and obvious strength of it.

Mallinckrodt makes a it only in a 2mg tablet. Supposedly IM onset is quicker than IV, well at least that is what some medical data suggests.

Medical studies suggest it is the "perfect" opioid for chronic pain syndrome and nerve pain.

After you mentioned it the other day, I researched it and I would love to get an Rx for it. The duration of analgesic properties is 6 to 12hrs and that is amazing.

 

[4DQSAR]

@Them Witches Please be aware that I am not a doctor so am not in a position to know if it's approprriate given your comorbidities. But as far as I know, the only formulation of Levo-Dromoran™ is as 2mg scored tablets intended for oral consumption. But I note that most sources give an oral bioavailability of around 70% so it's not of immense benefit to consume in any other manner and obviously injecting pills is never a good plan. My impression is that the long duration of action is due to the drug slowly being absorbed so for pain, strikes me as the sensible way to make use of it.

Chronic severe pain is something I do know of. So do let us all know if it does prove to be a better option for pain control. The last 'trip report' I read was someone who recalled stealing tablets off an eldery relative while the former was at high-school who simply noted that the drug just kept on going all the way into the evening.

I often wonder what became of that person. A kid messing with something as potent as levorphanol can result in very bad long-term outcomes.

 

[Them Witches]

I often wonder what became of that person. A kid messing with something as potent as levorphanol can result in very bad long-term outcomes.

This seems to be common theme in the US with fentanyl and Meth on every town corner. The Rx drugs have dried up and the cost for them is insane.

Most with Rx drugs seem to understand that diverting will cause them to lose their Rx or be found guilty of a felony.

Many patients were forced to sign pain contracts. Here is some of the things they state :
-- "losing or stolen Rx is not refillable"
-- "if the patient was in contract with someone that overdosed on the same drug they are prescribed they will be brought in for questioning and could be charged with homicide."
-- "not allowed to take the Rx an drive"
-- "pill counts"
-- "more random drug testing that included active drug levels in the blood"

 

[4DQSAR]

Yeah - well, I would suspect levorphanol would defeat three of the above at a stroke. The extreme rarity of it's prescribing and the fact that it's the enantiomer of DXO sort of makes most testing impossible. For the rest, if you are actually taking your medication as prescribed, it offers MORE protection.

But I guess you have to decide if levorphanol or indeed any opioid is the appropriate medication for you.

I don't drive and if someone ever asked to count my pills, the only discrepency might be that I have a few spare - as I think any rational person would have, especially if it was something so rare.

 

[Generation *DMT*]

Have you considered ketamine? Spravato?

 

[Psynaught]

Using Benzes daily will only result in bad outcomes, IMO. Look into something called Buspar.

 

[4DQSAR]

Using Benzes daily will only result in bad outcomes, IMO. Look into something called Buspar.

Is buspar still in use?

It's kind of an odd one because it was initially trialled as a neuroleptic and as I have mentioned before, repurposing a medication (to get back the development costs) is a dubious pathway to market.

All it did for me and indeed the two other people I know of who tasted the stuff was to induce anxiety athough one did take a handful and reported it to be 'alright'. Not a glowing report and consuming a medication in such a random manner could have turned out far worse for the person involved.

 

[Psynaught]

Is buspar still in use?

It's kind of an odd one because it was initially trialled as a neuroleptic and as I have mentioned before, repurposing a medication (to get back the development costs) is a dubious pathway to market.

All it did for me and indeed the two other people I know of who tasted the stuff was to induce anxiety athough one did take a handful and reported it to be 'alright'. Not a glowing report and consuming a medication in such a random manner could have turned out far worse for the person involved.

Fortunately my life situation is decent, that is probably why I don't have massive anxiety attacks.