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dextromethorphan polistirex trip, very confused

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dxmbill

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Ive been tripping for quite some time, but recently took a 3 month break. This past week i decided to began again, when i went to get some i noticed a few newer looking bottles so i decided to give them a try. Ive read that dxm polistirex is weaker and that it takes longer to kick in. i started the morning with a 540 dose. 2 hours later it kicked in but was very mild, after another 30 mins i brought my dose up to 1000 mg total. Nothing crazy happened and i felt fairly normal (this lasted for about 3 hours) so i decided to drive home, and as i was getting close to arriving i turned the music off and bam it hit me. I had crazy tunnel vision with some out of body and out of head feeling than this thought hit me of an alien coming down and taking over my body it felt as if he was driving and not me i wanted to just close my eyes and let him take me wherever but i knew it was the dxm doing it to me so i refused somewhat. I got home about 5 mins later and the trip ended when i got out of the car all i had was a little robo walk and some dizziness. i went and layed down instantly falling into a deep sleep! i slept for 18 hours before waking up. What plateau did i reach? and why the odd peek and quick vanish of it? i don't think ill be doing any more dxm pilistirex because of this. the other forms of dxm i prefer much more.
 
Nobody can tell you exactly what happened that triggered it. I have had a DXM trip that was approaching 4th plateau abruptly end after a shocking part of the trip brought me back to sobriety. It was really odd.

Its possible that when you redosed you triggered a plateau sigma for a short period of time?

It could be that the Delsym wasn't metabolized quickly in your system.

It is also possible that you have hit the "50 trip limit" and won't get anything from DXM anymore. It happened to me and I've heard of it happening to others who abuse DXM too much. The drug just stops having any positive effects altogether and just gives you a messed up medicine head, some drunken walking, and screwed up vision but no trip.
 
woah.... i've never heard of a 50 trip limit. thats somewhat saddening to hear. im going to trip tomorrow ill try and see if the trip part has left me but i have a feeling it has'nt. i do believe that redosing caused a problem but i was also driving down a road that i commonly have flashbacks on and i started to have right as the "reup" kicked in. i have a strange feeling that those mixed together caused for such a odd length of trip
 
The DXM FAQ talks about the phenomenon:

7.6 What is the "50 Trip Limit" and How Can I Avoid It?

Recently someone pointed out to me that most of the psychedelic and interesting effects of DXM seemed to go away with repeated use, and hadn't returned. He suggested a limit of about 50 trips; i.e., you get roughly 50 DXM trips before the magic is gone. Other people have said similar things, although the exact number seems to vary from person to person. A few seem to be able to use DXM repeatedly without ever losing the more interesting psychedelic qualitiies.

There are a number of possible explanations for the "50 trip limit". Here are a few I came up with, as well as potential solutions.

1. Long-lasting tolerance. Some people have noticed a tolerance of up to a *year* to the more pleasant effects of DXM. Why this is, I don't know; nor do I know any way to reverse it.

2. Disruption of enzyme systems. It is possible that the P450 enzyme system is disrupted for long periods of time by DXM, although I don't see why this would happen. This could last for quite some time, potentially permanently. It's also possible that a conversion enzyme is *induced* so that the DXM is converted to a metabolite too rapidly. Nothing to be done about this that I know of.

3. State-dependent memory. When you first do DXM, you are in a completely new and wonderful state, and you don't really "integrate" the memories of the non-drug states (including the unpleasantness of drinking cough syrup). As you begin to trip more and more often, environmental cues help you to integrate the drug-state and the non-drug-state. Eventually you will learn to associate the drug not only with the pleasant effects but also with the unpleasantness of taking it, something which doesn't happen early on due to DXM's ability to inhibit memory.

Try taking DXM in a *completely* new environment and see if that changes anything. Make sure to do a *low* dose first, though; if there is a state-dependent tolerance, you could go way too high accidentally if in a new environment.

4. Hallucinogen antidependency. This is a common phenomenon with most psychedelics. After using any psychedelic several dozen times, the magic is gone. It just becomes familiar territory, and with the "wow" factor from the novelty gone, the more mundane aspects (confusion, nausea) of the trip intrude. The solution to this, if there is one, is to put your own "magic" into the experience by interacting with people, trying new experiences, etc. (but don't drive!)

5. Problems with an ingredient in cough syrups. It's possible that the gut, liver, or kidneys start to have trouble metabolizing all the gunk in cough syrups. Try using DXM extract.

6. Age. DXM becomes increasingly less pleasurable as one gets older. No solution that I know of, except possibly to make sure you are physically fit before tripping.

7. Brain damage. I've seen no evidence for this except with very frequent high-dose use (e.g., third or fourth plateau several times a week for several months); furthermore, people who do report DXM becoming less pleasant with time haven't said it's that much faster with high dose trips (whereas any brain damage problem would be). Technically speaking, the damage that Olney et al found with dissociatives is way *beyond* the fourth plateau dosage level, and I'm not convinced that normal users would ever experience it.

8. Cigarettes or other drugs. If you've changed your drug-taking habits, this may affect DXM's effects.
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http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/faq/dxm_most.shtml

I can tell you that I went almost 4 years after I hit this "limit" and drank two bottles of Robitussin Max with no trip... my vision inverted and I thought I was losing my sight, I felt drunk but dysphoric, and I vomited profusely which I had only ever done with Robo DM (probably from the guaifenisin)
 
There is no limit of like 50. The 50 trip limit is a very broad generalization that says little to its specific method of action. From my experience with DXM, I have noticed a loss of some levels of the DXMs effects after taking a break from the compound; be it for tolerance, money shortage, using other drugs, or other circumstances.

I first noticed it after using it every weekend for over six months and then taking a three week break, for what I thought would increase effects, did the opposite.
The effects were way less fuzzy and the headspace was way clearer. Mind Fuck completely gone.
Supplementing with soya lecithin (an ingredient in Kool Mints) at around this time enhanced the clearness very muchly.
I have no clue as to why or how the effects do this after a break from the compound, though I think it is very much to do with getting accustomed to a regular dosage and regular tripping time/oftenness, and then modifing the routine of that changes the effects.

A good friend of mine had the same thing happen after he took a break from DXM also.

Driving on dissociatives is extremely dangerous and I highly reccomend against it. Especially at doses like those.

I have found that a complete irregularity to the times that I tripped brought back some levels of effects, but it was also be way less consistent with effects, providing I was staying at the same dose.

Redosing in the same trip always brings about weird stuff. I have attempted plateau sigma once before, but I am not sure of I hit it, because I was on LSD at the time and couldn't tell.

What else have you noticed about that space of road where you usually have flashbacks?
Have you noticed any street lights flick off, then on, anywhere?
I have felt some very trippy feelings when one flicks on and off when I walk underneath it on DXM.

I am currently a bit over halfway thru a year long tolerance break, and I am quite interested I'm how it will go for me onceI crank it up again for a bit.
Great substance, but can mess your reality up if used too much or in the wrong way.

To anyone enjoying their current DXM effects: stick to your regular dosing pattern and if you want to change it, taper up or down by like 50/100 mgs per weekend/tripping time.

Let us know how ur next DXM Hbr trip goes.
 
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How the FUCK you gonna take a bigass dose of DXM and drive? You are crazy.

Stop that shit before you kill yourself, or worse, someone else.
 
i agree i never drive but i felt i had come down and then bam right before i got home luckily it was on a back road all by myself
 
thanx for the imfo! i just did enough for a nice 450-500 dose me and 2 other friends are just going to sit in a dark room and see how it goes. starting feel a the warm feeling should be starting soon.
 
While the DXM trip does change if you do it enough times, I don't believe in that "50 trip limit" nonsense. Every once in a while I'll think I've reached it, but I usually get my ass kicked for that faulty assumption. I think people just tend to give up when they think they've reached "the limit;" they try once again, or a few times, and think there's no more magic left. But all it takes is a change of scenery, or a lapse in vigilance, and BAM!

Early on, during my first few trips, I have had experiences where I got fucked up, but no visuals to speak of (888 mg poly). But I'd take a lesser amount (120-250 mg) and then get visuals. The DXM trip is really too variable to be making assumptions!
 
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While the DXM trip does change if you do it enough times, I don't believe in that "50 trip limit" nonsense. Every once in a while I'll think I've reached it, but I usually get my ass kicked for that faulty assumption. I think people just tend to give up when they think they've reached "the limit;" they try once again, or a few times, and think there's no more magic left. But all it takes is a change of scenery, or a lapse in vigilance, and BAM!

Early on, during my first few trips, I have had experiences where I got fucked up, but no visuals to speak of (888 mg poly). But I'd take a lesser amount (120-250 mg) and then get visuals. The DXM trip is really too variable to be making assumptions!
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Just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. I know of two other people besides myself that got a DXM addiction (I was a daily abuser) and then one day it flat out stopped working and never worked again.

I'm kind of glad it stopped working though. I went way too far with it.
 
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^Yeah, you're right. I'm sure those who've lost the magic have tried again and again without further success. But it's always best to plan ahead anyway (like not driving after downing a large dose ;) ).
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I agree with you on that. I wouldn't drive on any dose of DXM. Even though I've lost the magic, it still impaired motor function worse for me than alcohol does (which has almost no effect on my motor skills until I get so drunk that I'm going to pass out within a few minutes) the three times I've tried it since.
 
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