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Opioids Dextromethorphan for Opioid Withdrawals.

Thomas29

Thomas29

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If Dextromethorphan is used for Withdrawal Symptoms will it prolong them in anyway like Loperamide possibly can?
 
not that i am aware of. i have detoxed with DXM before but my habit was not near as long lived or as high of doseages as it is now. i used to find that about 120mg DXM every 8 hours would get me thru withdrawals with only minimal symptoms noticeable. i would not recommend dosing more than every 6 hours (TOPS) or you could end up very, very tripped out, indeed.
 
also, i would recommend taking a liver supplement like Milk Thistle and be sure you drink plenty of water. i used to fuck with DXM a lot back in the day and i have had more bad side effects from it than any other drug. there's my two cents.
 
I read that Milk Thistle has actually not be proven to help your liver.
 
Doubt it'll have any effect

I'd stick with lopermide otherwise prescriptions short term, like benzos, sleep meds, hydroxyzine, etc
 
My standard reply to people going through withdrawal is to use poppy seed tea. It's the best way to taper cheaply and easily. These are some quotes compiled into one quote that outlines how it works. I've given this advice to many, and it has worked for everyone who's actually gave it a good try. Don't bother with DXM or even loperamide, they just aren't good enough to negate withdrawal symptoms and/or taper effectively.

You should be able to find poppy seeds in any bulk food store. They're a common food ingredient. It's the kind of seed that you find on bagels or that poppy seed cakes/muffins are made of.

If you check multiple stores, the best seeds are the ones with the most brownish and white stuff in them and general dust-like debris. Often this is left over latex or at least bits of pods.

I'm very confident about the dosages, at least for me, and I'm a 160-ish pound male who was VERY addicted to hydromorphone.

Actually, one of those bottles tends to be good only for 7-9 hours. You are supposed to dose twice a day, one or two bottles each time. If you want, you can do it in three doses, and just reduce the dose accordingly. That gives a more even level throughout the day. Obviously stick to one bottle if you can, but if it's too hard and the symptoms are bad, go for two. Or, if you want, one and a half.

Remember to only use it for 3-4 days [this is for minor cessation of opiates, use more/longer in your situation, Sick-Boy]. If you continued for a week or so, you'd get morphine withdrawals. And it's not a bad idea to reduce the dose each day on the last two. If you follow these rules and don't end up taking a bunch of it in order to get high (unless you are using it to get high as a replacement for your opiate of choice), then you shouldn't get addicted. There's no rush, it's subtle, it takes away the negative symptoms, and you've got to take a lot (for most people) to have a really euphoric noddy type high. Really we're just aiming to fill in some of your opiate receptors while still letting your body know it's got to start producing its own again. It's best to still feel a little uneasy, don't remove ALL the symptoms. But get yourself some sleep, eat, drink, have fun not shitting and puking in the bathroom. These are the benefits of the tea during withdrawal.

If, by some chance, you DO get addicted to the tea, well, at least it's very cheap. <snip - no prices> a kilo, I think, and you need like 300-400 grams for a low withdrawal maintenance dose. If you find you've got some minor withdrawal symptoms after tea cessation, keep taking the tea a little longer, but reduce it by 15-25% every week or so each dose.

Even if you do have some withdrawal from the tea, it'll be much easier than the intensity of oxy withdrawal, due to the dosing levels.


Try looking up bulk food stores in the phone book and asking if they have poppy seeds. If, by some unlucky chance, you buy seed from a bulk store that ACTUALLY did what they were supposed to and washed the seeds extremely well, you'll need a lot more seeds or it won't work at all, so buy a kilo only first, for a test dose. If it works, buy more. Otherwise, look for a different store. In my location, it's pretty easy, because none of them wash well. I doubt they do there either.

Let me know how the tea goes if you try it. One tip: I don't do this because it tends to make me sick, but if you want to increase the morphine yield from each wash, put in some lemon juice. As much as you can while still keeping the tea palatable. Morphine citrate forms, and is much easier dissolved in water.

BTW, for BEST results, take some antacids before taking the tea, about 40 mins before. Also, the standard potentiators apply.
I would use 60-100mg of loperamide per day to avoid physical withdrawal and attain some mental ease. It's not as good as poppy seed tea, or as cheap. A couple kilograms go a long way, used right. I'd dose the strongest one in the morning, right after waking, and within thirty minutes I'd be starting to feel better. Within hours, I'd be normal feeling, and could forget the withdrawal. I'd dose a lighter moderated dose somewhere just after, about, or before morphine's half-life, and that'd usually be good enough to sleep with if I didn't stay up too late. A final third strong dose was occasionally needed; likely also due to differences in quantity of morphine in different samples. If the third dose was strong enough, I wouldn't even wake up in withdrawal.

Seriously, I've quit a few times, and honestly, poppy seed tea saved my life. I couldn't have done it without. It was so much the same as being high on the hydromorphone, but without the need to procure illicit substances and IV them, and lacking the terrifyingly addictive rush. Once I found that dose, I just lowered it over weeks.
Btw, quitting IV opiates, or any route of admin., really, is incredibly easier if you use the OTC resources available to one in need. Loperamide, or Immodium, actually helps a lot when taken in massive doses. People say it doesn't cross the BBB well enough to be psychoactive. That's bullshit, IMO and IME. Butr we're talking fifty plus milligrams. I needed over 100 per dose. That's over fifty pills, and it's so expensive it might as well be from the street. Less helpful, I find, is the codeine you can get OTC in many countries, though only 8mg tablets here, combined with 15mg of caffeine each and a ton of acetaminophen to CWE out. The caffeine stays, mostly, so it kind of really sucks.

The best thing, barring methadone or suboxone, which many cannot get on (or off, I've heard), is poppy seeds. I'll stand by them to the grave. They don't get completely washed of opium latex, especially in bulk stores; meaning you can have morphine/opiate tea. Just find a store with cheap bulk poppy seeds, test it by using 300mg to measure potency, if any. I could use a kilogram to a kilo and a half and actually catch a nod. Used two to three times a day at the dose you need to kill the cravings and the withdrawal symptoms, it's a Godsend. And you can slowly reduce the dose every two or three days, more if you need it. Until you feel if not the best, at least good, without opiates in your system.

I'm amazed they're legal, lol. So ridiculously cheap compared to street prices. <snip - no prices> gives you a good day, two if you stretch it. You can't inject it, and as long as you don't dose it too frequently or too heavily, it's relatively safe. People have died from it, though, so be careful. Test the potency of every new batch, it varies quite a lot, not all seeds have the same latex coating left. You could OD on as little as a kilo if it's too potent. If anyone asks why you buy so many poppy seeds, tell them you absolutely love poppy seed cakes and other baked goods. It's still legal to have whatever amount, until the minute you start making the tea, which would be considered a preparation of morphine.

To make the tea, simply put your dose of seeds in a container, fill to a little above the seeds with WARM water, and then shake/let sit for thirty to forty mins. Strain the seeds from the liquid, and squeeze them inside the container to push out the water they soak up. Rewash the seeds, same drill, but don't combine the washes. Taste the first wash, and it shouldn't be unpleasant, but rather, earthy, tealike, and, here's what to taste for: bitter! You can generally gauge the strength of a particular wash by tasting for bitterness alone. Test that, taste the second wash. Still bitter, but very noticeably weaker. Still diminishing returns don't crop up too much till the third wash, which I don't bother with.

Dose every six to ten hours, depending on need, and stabilize without the horrors of withdrawal. Literally, folks, you can KILL the symptoms completely; I cannot praise this stuff enough. To anyone trying to quit, please, just give seeds a try. You won't regret it. It literally saved my life, I wouldn't have got on the bus to leave street opiates behind without it; I just took enough seeds for two weeks and left.

It sounds too good to be true, and it almost should be, lol, but I swear, this is legitimate. Poppy seeds, at least from bulk stores (IME), contain more than enough morphine for opiate tapering, and even if you don't want to quit, you can get a damn good high from it, even a nod. And it's long lasting, so you don't need to redoes that much at all. In fact, I could get by on one strong dose a day, but I took a second one around supper time in order to mitigate symptoms upon waking the next day.

Seed tea, FTW.
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I have already weaned myself down and on 3rd day progressing to the 4th right now without taking anything. Hence I need to know if I should just stay away from DXM and let my body recover will it interfere or just help?
 
Thomas29 said:
I have already weaned myself down and on 3rd day progressing to the 4th right now without taking anything. Hence I need to know if I should just stay away from DXM and let my body recover will it interfere or just help?
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If you're already on day 3 with nothing and able to get out of bed... your fine. Day 3 is the worst. Tomorrow you'll probably wake up feeling a lot better, though still kinda shitty. This far along I wouldn't start taking anything. Just let it ride and you'll slowly start to recover.
 
How come when I was ordering dried pods in 2008/2009 when they were easily obtainable on ebay if i made a tea out of the seeds inside i would feel nothing. Was it tolerance to pods ?

I've drank a lot of pod tea and I had minimum withdrawals, just sucessfully faking a leg injury got me 30 oxy IR 5mg and I was good after that.

If only I could have managed later on before getting on methadone. ugh
 
DUDE do not tell me when I should be feeeling better you got me itching to relapse just putting that out there ight.... EVERYBODY NEEDS TO CHILL THE FUCK out I GOT NO BENZOS I ARE WE NOT HARM-REDUCTION stop trying to kill me than cuz that is really fucking harmful and dangerous not trying to over exagerate but answer the question do make me all anxious and paranoid thinking your the police by DODGING IT!!!
 
Wow man, chill out! :)

If I were you I'd stay away from the DXM, I've used it before it while it does work to an extent I think you're going to do fine without its aid. Plus there are better drugs out there for this type of situation.

Just try to take it easy...you'll get through the worst of it eventually. The hard part isn't the physical withdrawals anyway, it's staying clean afterwards when PAWS sets in. You might want to check out TDS, lots of good people and advice in that forum. :)
 
I disagree...well everyone is diff sure...but....to me the physical withdrawal of 14 days minimum from when I was IV'ing dilaudid is what made me say fuck it and get on methadone. I could not psychologically face another dilaudid IV withdrawal... and the time I succeeded before was because i was on very high dose rivotril (clonazepam) 3.5mg a day. Now i'm on 20mg valium a day and it just holds me, and we all know what happens when one doesnt follow benz posology and you are stuck day s without a pill you do not even want anymore but if you don't have it you feel like you're gonna seize and die every second of the day...
 
I was a moron and flew on vacation to greece when I had been doing heroin for about a month straight. This was the first time I had started doing heroin so I did not expect how shitty I started feeling once I had arrived at the hotel. I went to the local pharmacy hoping that they would at least have some codeine/tramadol available without prescription. They did not, even though I was willing to pay them extra to let it slide. They still would not give me what I wanted. I ended up buying 5 bottles of DXM only caugh syrup and it actually helped.
 
A bulk store sells bulk foods. Many "ethnic" stores carry bulk foods of the type, and some larger chains.
 
Sorry in advance for bumping this really old thread.

A disclaimer for those who stumble upon this thread via google searches like I just did: poppy seed tea can very easily replace the addiction you're trying to fight. if it's cheap and available to you, I wouldn't recommend it.
 
I've used Dextromethorphan as a last ditch effort when I didn't have any loperamide or anything else. I can't say it alleviates everything, but it definitely takes some of the edge off, and I've heard from others that have had positive experiences using it to combat withdrawal, whether when tapering or when they've got no opiates available at all. I'm pretty sensitive to the stuff for some reason, even about 80mg has me feeling kind of 'trippy' and 'drunk'.

Before thinking of using the stuff, if you're taking any type of SSRI or SNRI, or using any other serotonergic drug (like Tramadol which has opiate and serotonergic properties), you should avoid the combo due to the risk of Serotonin Syndrome.
 
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