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VYVANSE can't be injected, can't be snorted, and doses above 200mg stop being metabolized (200mg is within the therapeutic threshold Shire is studying for negative symptom predominant schizophrenia). When I took Vyvanse, I took it once in the morning, and then I stopped worrying about re-dosing, because you know that if you re-dose, it will have no effect, and you will stay up all night, since you have to take it in the morning to go to sleep. Before that, I would take Adderall IR "as needed" (read: whenever I felt the need to get more inspiration for my paper). Vyvanse taught me to accept I can't be superman, and to live within my limits.
If addicts weren't so stupid they equated a mild buzz to "getting high" and took Vyvanse at doses way past the dose it stops metabolizing at, it would be a C-III, but addicts are addicts, and you can blame them for not being able to have your doc call it in. The DEA doesn't care if something's actually an abuse liability. If addicts perceive it as an abuse liability, that suffices for them.
P.S.- Vyvanse is a special long-acting Dexedrine attached to lysine, a prodrug.
I'm glad you posted this, because too many think "meth" is a drug you can't moderate, so why bother, why not inject it, why not inject it as often as possible, because it's a lost cause to moderate use of.
but why do you call it "crystal meth"? That just glamorizes the drug for dealers to market to kids more. Even Bronkaid (ephederine) is crystaline-- lots of drugs are crystaline. Calling it crystal meth just is a marketing name for drug dealers. It's not a scientific name. If it were just called what it really is, desoxyephedrine, it wouldn't sell as well. But the DEA makes their money by making addiction real, and the media loves to reinforce drug trends. I am so sick of people calling it "crystal meth." A recent DEA lab analysis of meth in this country found the DEA labs reporting 60-70% of "meth" on the street was actually not methylated at all-- not meth at all-- it was racemic amphetamine, just like Adderall, not even as potent, since it was racemic. And drug addicts can't tell the difference between amphetamine, methamphetamine, and Ritalin in blind taste tests, and that's been proven in amphetamine studies since the 50's. I'm so sick of this propaganda fed by the media and the DEA and drug users who are victimized themselves by it. We glamorize things, we give these drugs mystical powers so we can feel like victims instead of trying to moderate doses and moderate routes of administration (as if craving is less satisfied by orally swallowing it in a gelatin capsule? it's the same drug!) .
Amphetamine is the one hard drug that is closest to habituation rather than addiction, making moderation a possibility, maintenance dosing using Vyvanse an option, but no, we must abandon the prospect because it's all-or-nothing. Into the 1960's, the consensus in the scientific community was that amphetamine-- which had been around since 1928- was habituating, not addictive. but that doesn't get you research grants for saying that when you apply to addiction foundations and the National Institute of Drug Abuse.
If addicts weren't so stupid they equated a mild buzz to "getting high" and took Vyvanse at doses way past the dose it stops metabolizing at, it would be a C-III, but addicts are addicts, and you can blame them for not being able to have your doc call it in. The DEA doesn't care if something's actually an abuse liability. If addicts perceive it as an abuse liability, that suffices for them.
P.S.- Vyvanse is a special long-acting Dexedrine attached to lysine, a prodrug.
I'm glad you posted this, because too many think "meth" is a drug you can't moderate, so why bother, why not inject it, why not inject it as often as possible, because it's a lost cause to moderate use of.
but why do you call it "crystal meth"? That just glamorizes the drug for dealers to market to kids more. Even Bronkaid (ephederine) is crystaline-- lots of drugs are crystaline. Calling it crystal meth just is a marketing name for drug dealers. It's not a scientific name. If it were just called what it really is, desoxyephedrine, it wouldn't sell as well. But the DEA makes their money by making addiction real, and the media loves to reinforce drug trends. I am so sick of people calling it "crystal meth." A recent DEA lab analysis of meth in this country found the DEA labs reporting 60-70% of "meth" on the street was actually not methylated at all-- not meth at all-- it was racemic amphetamine, just like Adderall, not even as potent, since it was racemic. And drug addicts can't tell the difference between amphetamine, methamphetamine, and Ritalin in blind taste tests, and that's been proven in amphetamine studies since the 50's. I'm so sick of this propaganda fed by the media and the DEA and drug users who are victimized themselves by it. We glamorize things, we give these drugs mystical powers so we can feel like victims instead of trying to moderate doses and moderate routes of administration (as if craving is less satisfied by orally swallowing it in a gelatin capsule? it's the same drug!) .
Amphetamine is the one hard drug that is closest to habituation rather than addiction, making moderation a possibility, maintenance dosing using Vyvanse an option, but no, we must abandon the prospect because it's all-or-nothing. Into the 1960's, the consensus in the scientific community was that amphetamine-- which had been around since 1928- was habituating, not addictive. but that doesn't get you research grants for saying that when you apply to addiction foundations and the National Institute of Drug Abuse.
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