Denmark's burka ban will send Muslim women further underground

[Globetrotter]

I see no problem with that either. I just tend to think the overall amount of free time should be the same for everyone regardless of their religious beliefs. And if they wish to use it to worship their God, that's up to them.

Interesting. It begs the question: How would, or should, a society police the overall amount of free time for any given worker?

 

[nuttynutskin]

Yes, I support all tenets of Sharia law, and I think I should have to cover everything in a burqa, and my nearest male relative or husband should have to give me permission to go out, and I want to give my education to a man who could use it better than me?!!

Or I just believe that freedom of religion means that people should be able to practice that religion to the extent of praying... and nothing more.

You're just being silly now. I don't care what muslims or anybody else does in their free time, but imo religious practices have no place in places like schools or work.

 

[cduggles]

Something I find silly about this is that only a very small number of Muslim women even wear a burqa or niqab. I'm pretty sure FAR more Muslim women don't wear ANY religious clothing. It's getting upset about a nonproblem.

Exactly. Moderate Muslims compromise a large proportion of the Muslim population. Limiting the discussion to Wahabbis and the like isn't useful, imo.

Interesting. It begs the question: How would, or should, a society police the overall amount of free time for any given worker?

Time on Internet during work hours (company computer or phone).

I'm sick of people who use community computers for porn. They should be separate!

 

[cduggles]

You're just being silly now. I don't care what muslims or anybody else does in their free time, but imo religious practices have no place in places like schools or work.

Look at the question you asked, my answer, and your reply.

I'm more concerned with people using company resources for non-work purposes, like using computers and free internet to post on social media and porn.

I went to a small private Christian school in the Bible Belt and a Muslim guy was allowed to pray there. We all lived.

 

[nuttynutskin]

There are countries around the world which have prayer rooms available to Muslims. I don't see anything inherently wrong with a Muslim taking a break in order to pray to their God. It's kind of like a version of "smoko break", only it is dedicated to more soulful desires

That's fine and dandy if the employer wants to instate that but it should be their choice obviously. To me a workplace for example should be, idk... a place to work? I think once you start making exceptions based on people's religious beliefs it complicates things. There's plenty of things people can't necessarily do even if they aren't religious, but that's just how it is.

 

[Globetrotter]

You're just being silly now. I don't care what muslims or anybody else does in their free time, but imo religious practices have no place in places like schools or work.

If that's your opinion, then that is yours alone. Society operates in a way which allows us all to have certain opinions, or feelings, about things and going-ons in the world around us and yet not act on them. Muslims might have an opinion about certain things which you do each day, let's say, for example, going to the methadone clinic to pic up your dosage. Yet they would never act on those opinions, given the way that modern society operates.

 

[nuttynutskin]

If that's your opinion, then that is yours alone.

I'm pretty sure there's plenty of people that think that religious practices should stay out of schools and workplaces. But if I ever get the chance I'll ask someone that works in the steel mill if they think their coworker should get more breaks for religious purposes. lol

 

[Globetrotter]

I hear what you are saying. I could ask around the smoko table at a mine I have worked at, and I would likely get the same reaction. Sure, some may share your views, or some part of your opinions, regarding such practices. It is still an opinion that you have for yourself, which may be shared with another though. At the end of the day, what do we take to the grave? Our thoughts and opinions.

 

[mal3volent]

Employees should have equal break times. Whether that's for praying, or smoking, or watching porn on your phone. I think that's a very simple concept that is impossible to disagree with if you are a decent person. If you do disagree, please explain why a non-religious person should be compensated less for their work than a religious person.

Swilow, if I was seriously that far off base...I apologize. The entire post wasn't directed specifically at you though, just the parts I indicated. I do think it was reasonable for me to make most of the assumptions I made, taking into consideration the content and tone of everyone's posts leading up to mine.

 

[belligerent drunk]

Employees should have equal break times. Whether that's for praying, or smoking, or watching porn on your phone. I think that's a very simple concept that is impossible to disagree with if you are a decent person. If you do disagree, please explain why a non-religious person should be compensated less for their work than a religious person.

I guess that's why there are no hard-on Muslim teachers in normal schools. A teacher leaving their class to go pray each and every day, many times a day... not cool. In my honest opinion, this bullshit with prayer rooms and prayer breaks is abusing the open-minded nature of the modern Western civilization. I really can't see any other ideology or whatnot get away with so much leeway than Muslims do. But I'm getting sidetracked.

 

[nuttynutskin]

I really can't see any other ideology or whatnot get away with so much leeway than Muslims do. But I'm getting sidetracked.

Idk, christianity has quite a bit of leeway in the U.S. But that's what I'm saying is keep all of it out of school, work and government businesses. Other than that, if a business owner wants to have a prayer room or whatever else then they can. Otherwise people should just practice their religions on their own goddamn time. lol

 

[JessFR]

Idk, christianity has quite a bit of leeway in the U.S. But that's what I'm saying is keep all of it out of school, work and government businesses. Other than that, if a business owner wants to have a prayer room or whatever else then they can. Otherwise people should just practice their religions on their own goddamn time. lol

Way I see it, your break time essentially is "your time".

 

[mal3volent]

I guess that's why there are no hard-on Muslim teachers in normal schools. A teacher leaving their class to go pray each and every day, many times a day... not cool. In my honest opinion, this bullshit with prayer rooms and prayer breaks is abusing the open-minded nature of the modern Western civilization. I really can't see any other ideology or whatnot get away with so much leeway than Muslims do. But I'm getting sidetracked.

Well I agree with you mostly, but nutty too, to some extent. Globally, I think Christianity is more accepted and tolerated because it has made more of an effort to be accepted and tolerated. In my lifetime, Christians have been consistently becoming more and more at peace with the secular world. Islam has been going in the opposite direction. As tormented as I personally have been by Christians, I can still recognize this as true. There are gay friendly churches all over the place. You might hear a Christian prayer at a NASCAR race or high school football game, but I've never in my life heard of anyone taking Christian prayer breaks in special rooms at work. They had prayer circles around the flag pole when I was in high school, but it had to be done before the first bell.

 

[belligerent drunk]

but I've never in my life heard of anyone taking Christian prayer breaks in special rooms at work. They had prayer circles around the flag pole when I was in high school, but it had to be done before the first bell.

That's what I mean. If some Christians started demanding prayer rooms and prayer breaks at hours that they desire, they'd get the middle finger in most instances.

 

[swilow]

.Swilow, if I was seriously that far off base...I apologize. The entire post wasn't directed specifically at you though, just the parts I indicated. I do think it was reasonable for me to make most of the assumptions I made, taking into consideration the content and tone of everyone's posts leading up to mine.

Hey mate no sweat at all I was happy to flesh out my views and was glad you questioned me, i don't know why you're apologetic, there's no need. I was kinda hoping for a response though. . .

 

[mal3volent]

Hey mate no sweat at all I was happy to flesh out my views and was glad you questioned me, i don't know why you're apologetic, there's no need. I was kinda hoping for a response though. . .

Not it sure what response I would give other than the one I gave. Most all my points were based on a misunderstanding of your views, so what else is there?

 

[LucidSDreamr]

i say this as a staunch liberal and quite to the left....good.

 

[JessFR]

i love how in today's world people point their fingers so they can scream victim when something is either two fold or alluding to another choice to be made at a later date.

i.e. women should not be told they can't wear certain attire but then again if you don't like the laws of a country, don't move there.

playing the victim, the new reason to move somewhere else instead of cleaning up your own problems in your own country (and the new and improved model just isn't for the middle east anymore. it's for everyone!!)

why make your grass green when you can move to the greener grass and make it as crappy as yours?!

you want a real doozy, instead of hating on muslims or religion how about someone come up with a practical answer to muslims washing their hand while working at a hospital. it's a good thought exercise into proving your not racist or ignorant. (rimshot!)

I have a good answer, stop believing it's even a thing. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/soap-duds/

Solved, what do I win?

 

[JessFR]

just because it's on the net makes it true. Snopes- it's on the web! bow bow chick chicka chicka (<-- yello - oh yea lyrics. not a dig on women)

the point of the thought exercise is to come up with practical and reasonable solutions to every day problems that most people blow out of proportion or turn mole hills into mountains over.

well dick tell her what we have for a parting prize...

Yahuh, and what pray tell is the source of this Muslim hand washing claim?

If you're gonna just arbitrarily believe or not believe whatever you like, then discussion of any intelligence is absolutely impossible.

Oooh, I saw this conspiracy on YouTube, it's so convincing and well sourced! But snoops says all that shit is bs? Well fuck snopes it's just biased internet trash you can't believe everything you see online!

It's beyond retarded. And I'm not gonna waste time on a borderline bigoted hypothetical that someone pulled out of their ass and neither should anyone else.

 

[zephyr]

Something I find silly about this is that only a very small number of Muslim women even wear a burqa or niqab. I'm pretty sure FAR more Muslim women don't wear ANY religious clothing. It's getting upset about a nonproblem.

Im just going to say whats been said to me by my Muslim coworkers, theres a fair few from all areas like Lebanon, Dubai, Somalia and Indonesia.


They all wear very different headcoverings which are mainly based on tribal tradition and wear them happily because they are proud of their rite of passage into adulthood.

They are a symbol of being a grown up adult woman, this is just my friends though as theres a sinister side in some areas of course.

My friend who wears the full head cover wears beautiful makeup anyway.

Denmark is a country that has very strict rules to keep its traditions going in the way they always have so this is not a suprise, yes it is going to drive the women underground. They wont be able to leave their house, its brutally unfair and I hope they are going to be ok.

Denmark are strict on many things and the parents of kids dont get much choice when naming their kids, as an example of govt control on freedom of choice.

There are 15000 male names and 18000 female and all spelling must be traditional and on that list.

So making this ruling might not seem that brutal there.