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Death to chemical suppliers.

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cyberfr0g

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First of all this is not a post listing suppliers. I have read the rules and I have no intention of breaking them. This is a post discussing the death of multiple online supply companies that have recently either been shutdown/closed or removed almost their entire line of products from their catalogs. PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS MESSAGE WITH ANY NAMES OF ANY SUPPLIERS! I want this to stay open but I have no problem with it getting deleted if rules are broken so do screw this up please.
Let us begin.
For the past 6 months the exposure of legal OTC and research chemicals that are available online has increased dramatically. Directly or indirectly, as a result many large online chemical supply companies have either closed their doors permenantly or removed almost their entire product line from their web pages. What is this cause of this? I have my own opinions about this. The exposure to 2ct7 in the months has been huge along with multiple other substances. As a result the demand has also increased and the need for suppliers has skyrocketed (and multiple deaths occured). Blame is irrelevent and uneccessary. The main question I see is not "Why are supply companies dying out?" but rather "What is the future of online drug supplying?".
What are your opinions?
(again, please don't post any names/websites or this post WILL get closed)
 
I think it all goes back to pressure for "Da Man". If someone orders from your company and then ends up breaking the law, or in the hospital and then it comes back around to you for selling it for recreational use, you get slammed against the wall.
 
Agreed, however .. what legal right does the government have to "request"/demand that these companies stop selling LEGAL chemicals. Is there some law that i'm missing?
 
My opinion is everyone shut the fuck up about it. I found out about Pikhal and Tikhal on my own way way back because I was really interested in drugs and did my own research.
All you dumbasses think you're helping by posting your knowledge and really places like here at Bluelight.nu have played a huge role in the popularity of these chemicals. And yes, they will be made illegal eventually because of it.
 
Sorry to say it peoples but not all these RESEARCH chems are all they're cracked up to be.
Honestly if these chems are SO good why aren't they being mass produced in underground labs (not to say that they aren't) but like for say MDMA or LSD?
I've tried a few myself along with others. They'll never fully catch on because there's way beter substances out there than these legal wannabes (just my opinion, not startin a flamer here) in all fairness [for each his own] but your not going to find me crying when it gets closed down.
just my 2cents
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[Be All You Can Be W.O.D.]
 
This very same discussion can be found in many past threads. Simply stated, the federal and state law enforcment authorities can easily bully whoever they want, and such bullying has proven effective since a few suppliers have recently closed or left the states. This bullying can easily escalate to prosecution under the analog act (which is within the DEA's legal rights), so they are not really pushing it to the worst extreme yet. Given time, however, they will... I think that the DEA looks at research chems and botanical sources as options that are better left out of the public and media spotlight, since such attention would propel these chemicals into the mainstream consciousness, and consequently hasten their scheduling (and create more work for an already overtaxed DEA). It is indeed only a matter of time, as it was with GHB, MDMA, LSD, etc (all of which were once legal..) before most research chems are scheduled. Watch what happens to Salvia divinorum over the next months and you will likely see what is bound to occur with all other psychoactives that are not already outlawed.
 
imho, i think they are pulling the chems for 2 reasons...
first, to slow down the illegalization process. if it is more difficult to obtain these chems, than maybe less irresponsible people will use them.
second, to maintain their reputation if something does happen.
i think its complete bullshit. people need to stop using these chems in an irresponible manner. if they are made illegal, so be it. it will just help stop idiots from fucking up and ruining it for the rest of us. im not saying i think they should be banned, but until people get their heads out of their asses, i say let them do what they have to do. the responsible ones will just have to search a little harder.
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its kinda cool coughin up peices of your lungs every once in a while
Ky0Di3 M3TH0D
[This message has been edited by socialdysfunktion (edited 10 September 2001).]
 
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My thoughts exactly. I think this has less to do with the DEA, than it has to do with them closing their doors to *prevent* research chems from being illegalized, and to cover themselves if something bad happens.
 
i just dont understand why they removed chemicals that are not research chemicals; like dxm, dpt, and 5meodmt. they might just want to rid themselves of anything that *may become a problem i guess.
 
You know I had another thought maybe its just that time every year to 2 years, some suppliers will fall out and others will pop up, search around as this is the third cycle I can still find 5 or 6 sources for all research chems, even stuff to synth like rp, i2, and sassy.
 
I am with SovietContin. If you get enough 12 year olds giving out trip reports the government is, at some point, going to perceive a threat. They wont ban the stuff until it starts killing people because as soon as it hits 20/20 every brain dead wanker out there proceeds to buy/ try and and kill themselves with it. If people kept a lid on it, and did the appropriate research there would be no problem with getting these chems. But for every responsible adult that takes them there are 25 greenlighters asking about plugging their stash of AMT. What did you expect? The DEA is at this, and probably most, drug forums. They know everything we do and a lot more. I guarantee you that they are recording every last word we post, and probably those we erased. Heck maybe they run a forum or two. It would be a lot easier to track people that way.
Oh well…. What will be will be……. Start stocking up now kiddies cuz they gonna be gone soon. I have never bothered. I figure there are plenty of other Guinea pigs to roast before I touch any of those little bad boys.
 
Um... scuse me, but do any of you own the rights to any of these drugs. If something is worth doing then people are going to do it. Just cause you were in on the ground floor of using a particular chemical doesn't give you the right to claim it as your own.
As for these few people who have died from these drugs, don't play it off as they were just stupid and didn't know what they were doing. Do you know how many 'smart' people are dead from drug use? What about this Quicksilver guy who OD'd? By all accounts he was a very knowledgable drug user. I just hate hearing people talk like they are too smart to ever OD. Right!
Concerning the closure of these suppliers: I'm sure the DEA notified the manufacturers who were only too happy to stop selling to certain places. Do you realize what a hugh liability it is when people start dying from something you make? Not to mention the bad PR. Don't think the DEA had to twist any arms here. Setting the 'bad for business' arguement aside, they war on drugs is not something the government just pulled out of its' ass. LOT"S of people despise recreational drug use and are happy to help out where they can to stop it.
Did that sound like a rant?
 
Dr. Quack and SovietContin,
The government doesnt in any way need the info from this or any other message board to shut down these sources. The DEA can flip through PIHKAL and TIHKAL as easily as you can. They can also use search engines to see who is selling these chems like you can, and also can request files from raw chemical manufacturers to see what sites are buying the most of these chemicals.
I agree the least said about the sites the better, but the DEA knows that a supplier selling nothing but exotic chemicals with no uses to the everyday consumer, besides a good buzz, is not a legitimate chemical supplier.....
 
I love how you can outlaw organic chemicals, but you can't patent them its funny really.
But talking about the dea capaturing every post, somehow I doubt it, you know how many posts are on all of these boards? Anyways does anyone remember S _ _ _ _ _ _ A _ _ _ _ _ _ _ and the connections involved with that? It took along time for them to do that, and I'm sure they might look for someone online if they can make the connection, but with all the posters on these boards it would be near impossible to track them. But then again with your email addys sending info and them being given out easily without safe encryption (No encryption to date is safe, not even pgp)and carnivore being around, I'm sure they could if they wanted. But then again maybe they aren't building data files in assocation with user names, isp ips, email addys, and phone number locations. Although it seems easy enough to do, but most of them dea guys, have to worry about all their power in their grasp, and their big time mafia orginization. But I could go on for hours....heh
 
the situation may be considered in simpler terms than a.o.t.a., without regulatory considerations - a simple supply side bottleneck - most of the research chems are made by a very few large chemicals houses due to fairly high technological line startup costs and complexities of synthesis. They then sell the rcs wholesale to the net suppliers.
unprecedented demand created by media exposure has strained the stocks of the retailers, with Sigma et al, in turn, needing to upscale production to meet the need - renegotiate their supplier agreements, revise their models and pricing structures, all processes which take time.
given no dramatic scheduling changes, i'm willing to bet the shortage is temporary.
[This message has been edited by frqntflyr (edited 11 September 2001).]
 
Dr. Quack and SovietContin,
The government doesnt in any way need the info from this or any other message board to shut down these sources.
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No, but god knows how many retarded kids that are too stupid to go figure out anything on their own that go around eating like 10 pills at a time and sticking things in their asses and eating jimsom weed to get high now can go find all these new things to get high off of under the impression that they're legal and it's cool to tell all your friends and sell them at raves blah blah blah because they read about it on this site.
Even one year ago, nobody knew about this stuff. Now almost every moron has heard. Ask any raver or whatever about "foxy" or "blue mystic". Ask where they heard about it. Bluelight.
That's why everyone should shut up. Not that I guess it matters much at this point.. but anyways...
These drugs get made illegal, they aren't just going to spring up on the underground either. They're going to be next to extinct. And there are going to be new laws. And it's going to be harder for new research chems to come out.
 
"As for these few people who have died from these drugs, don't play it off as they were just stupid and didn't know what they were doing."
was there any media around these drugs before people died?? no. the insufflated dose for 2-ct-7, taken straight from erowid, is no more than 30 mgs, which is an extremely high dose. every report ive heard of od on t7 was at least 35 mgs insufflated. and youre saying that this is responsible?? these people are fucking it all up for the rest of us. obviously they didnt know what they were doing. the mother fucker that sold a single dose that weighed 35 mgs should get his fucking ass beat too.
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its kinda cool coughin up peices of your lungs every once in a while
Ky0Di3 M3TH0D
 
1) The DEA can do whatever it wants to suppliers whether it is legal or not. Example: A year ago, you could by sassafras oil on Ebay or any aromatherapy supplier by the gallon. Try doing that now. Guess what, sassafras oil is NOT on the listed chems list. They just pressured the companies into taking it off their sales list or they would make things difficult.
2) Media coverage does up usage. GHB is a good example. Used to be sold at GNC. Then it gets "gray marketed". You can buy kits, but not GHB. Then it becomes illegal. Why? More folks using because of the media coverage which begets more incidents which begets more media coverage. 2ct7 was predicted to suffer this same fate. What happened? A couple of kids fuck up, and away it goes. Only it is complicated to make so it wont be showing up on the street.
The moral of this story: We live in the information/misinformation age. Get used to it. Our anti-hedonsitic society wants to make sure we don't get high.
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