Dear God, It Happened

[JJ-180]

I'm sorry but this is just not good advice at all.
Not because its stupid to do kratom, but because thats like trying to repair a broken dam with toothpaste.
And like most "evangelists" I know you're largely FOS. Sorry but comeon, have you ever even withdrawn from pods before? What were you coming off like a half a teaspoon habit?

Oh well, excuse me for trying to help.... And "FOS"? Hey, I'm not the one constipated from continual opiate use.
Just for your information, I never have done w/d from pods-but I did Heroin after a year's moderate to heavy use and although it wasn't pleasant, it certainly wasn't the living hell that certain self-interested,self-pitying sections of the Opiate community would have us believe.

Please express your opinions in the future without attacking people - PA

 

[GoldenLovely]

Pods really are medicine for life, but at the same time they create a life that doesn't exactly fit the definition of living. Things are just different now and I honestly can't tell you if its good or bad, because when things were really "good" in the past, I myself was a mess. Life just seems to get delayed perpetously on pods, and thats why I have chose to get off them now. I'm not one to tell another person what they should do, but I figured I'd just share my views on the poppy world.

The thing with me is that I could function on pods, fairly well actually. but with the triple punch of tolerance, addiction and soaring prices, it just hasn't been sustainable. They were/are a medicine, but they're a poison too. Early in the thread some folks were saying I can't handle opiates. I can handle them quite well if the definition of handling is living on them and going to work, meeting my obligations etc. What I apparently can't handle is having that crutch, medicine whatever you want to call it, removed suddenly and unfortunately, when one turns to a controlled substance, even one that seemed at one time to be so accessible, that's part of the deal.

Yeah, prices have gotten pretty ridiculous since the "drought". I only buy about once every 4 months, while I used to buy about once a month. Not that that's a bad thing though.

I suggest making yourself go out and pick up some loperamide, and getting some ginger (nausea/pain), valerian root (anxiety/insomnia) and OTC painkillers while you're out. They won't stop symptoms completely, but can help get you through the acute phase. Treating individual symptoms is the best you can do unless you have more opiates.

Out of curiosity, how extensive was your habit before you quit?

Thanks LC. I have the loperamide and that with the little bit of tramadol I have seems to be working surprising well considering the size of my habit. I had a pretty big habit. It wasn't as long as some. I've known people on it for two, three even eight years. I started less than a year ago, but I got dependent amazingly quickly. By the end, it was every day, usually twice a day.
I probably should have quit when the "shortage" started and prices started going through the roof, but earlier this summer my father, who I mentioned before is my only remaining parent, was diagnosed with stage three melanoma. Maybe I should have pulled it together and gotten off, but when I wasnt on pods, all I would do was cry. I was devistated. I'd just had enough with pain and loss I just didn't want to deal with it, though deep down I knew I would have to one day. I just wanted to numb my feelings as long as I could and since I no longer had food as a comfort, and since I don't like any other form of drug, not even drinking, I stayed on the pods and kept ordering, somehow finding the money, and well here I am today.

Oh well, excuse me for trying to help.... And "FOS"? Hey, I'm not the one constipated from continual opiate use.
Just for your information, I never have done w/d from pods-but I did Heroin after a year's moderate to heavy use and although it wasn't pleasant, it certainly wasn't the living hell that certain self-interested,self-pitying sections of the Opiate community would have us believe.

JJ, I appreciated your advice just like I appreciated everyone else's. Everyone has really divergant opinions on this and I understand that.
For example, with the loperamide, some people were saying that it really helps with the WDs and others said it just helped with the stomach issues.

As far as Kratom, I could see where it might help somewhat, and like with loperamide, I've heard different things about it. Some say Kratom helps, some say it doesnt, and others say only if its a very high quality extract. Ive tried it in the past, not for WDs but just for effect and I found it OK. If I had some lying around, believe me, I would have tried it for the WDs, but I just didn't have time before my trip which is tommorow. Anyway, I do thank you for your imput.

As far as how I'm doing at the moment..surpringly well. Yesterday, I was so scared and in so much pain. Everything hurt. I felt like I couldn't catch my breath. But by the end of the night, I was alot better. I even managed to get some sleep.
Don't know if it was the loperamide, the tramidol or the advice and support I got here, but I'd say my condition inproved about 80 percent. I'm actually shocked, because I know how intense my first experience with withdrawal was and that was early in my addiction, when I had a much smaller habit. I expected this to be much worse.
This morning, so far I'm not in any pain, I'm not short of breath. I still have that nervous, panicky feeling, but its somewhat less than before. The weird thing is, the one thing that should have stopped completely, the stomach issues, I still seem to be having. Not incredibly badly but, I took enough loperamide to stuff up and elephant!! Jeez, if I hadn't taken it, I'd probably be living in the bathroom today!
I know its not over yet and it might get worse again, but I'll finish my tramadol today, take some more loperamide and tommorow I can start taking the percocet. So that should get me through the trip.
Then when I get home, I'll consider the remaining options. Thanks everyone. The support I got here really, really helped with the mental aspects of my situation. I'll keep ya'll updated.

 

[curlygurl1980]

golden lovely, what exactly is pods? i had never even heard of them bfore i joined bl. u know i have been an opiate addict for 10 years and actually there have bee quite a few things that i have never heard of that i have learned about on here. r they an opiate or do they just make u feel like u have done something opiate like. is it comparable to say a loritab or oxycontin or methadone? i am just curious and if u dont mind i would love for u to expalin to me what they r all about. thanx

 

[GoldenLovely]

golden lovely, what exactly is pods? i had never even heard of them bfore i joined bl. u know i have been an opiate addict for 10 years and actually there have bee quite a few things that i have never heard of that i have learned about on here. r they an opiate or do they just make u feel like u have done something opiate like. is it comparable to say a loritab or oxycontin or methadone? i am just curious and if u dont mind i would love for u to expalin to me what they r all about. thanx

curlygurl, pods are the seed pods the Opium Poppy. Its where people originally got opium from and still do. Its the source of all natural opiates. It has morphine, codeine and several other alkaloids. Before there was lortab, oxy or even heroin, there was the opium poppy. Remember the scene in Wizard of Oz where the wicked witch conjurs up a bright field of poppies to make Dororthy sleep? Those were opium poppies.
Also, you know the poppy seeds on that bagel or poppy seed muffin you might have eaten from your local deli? Those come from the opium poppy too. Its a fascinating plant with many uses.
Here's the wiki article on it. : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_poppy

 

[theseeker]

^ Golden , without going into sources etc online for ordering non scheduled drugs - ultram / tramadol will not be able to get to your house within 10-21 days if you order it that method. So honestly scratch that off the list if the trip is this weekend.

In my case, at least, I get them overnight. Ultram is not a scheduled drug, so ordering it is no big deal. They won't get you high- they just keep the sickness at bay. Of course, as has been pointed out, you will eventually have to go through w/d. However, I know what it's like to have to be there for someone who is dying of cancer and I see your point on not wanting to be all jittered out under those circumstances. It's just awful to watch- the sense of helplessness in the face of the inexorable progress of the disease. Stay strong and try to keep your chin up as best you can.

If I were you, I'd save the pills you have for the weekend. I know how tough that is to do when you're in w/d.

 

[GoldenLovely]

I know going to see a favorite band sick just wouldn't work for me. Than again there are a thousand streets here that you can turn down and buy heroin. Which can be a problem, sometimes.

You said you had Percs? How many?

peace.
seedless

Sorry seedless, missed your post at first. I have a dozen percs. Not alot, but enough to get me through the weekend.

In my case, at least, I get them overnight. Ultram is not a scheduled drug, so ordering it is no big deal. They won't get you high- they just keep the sickness at bay. Of course, as has been pointed out, you will eventually have to go through w/d. However, I know what it's like to have to be there for someone who is dying of cancer and I see your point on not wanting to be all jittered out under those circumstances. It's just awful to watch- the sense of helplessness in the face of the inexorable progress of the disease. Stay strong and try to keep your chin up as best you can.

If I were you, I'd save the pills you have for the weekend. I know how tough that is to do when you're in w/d.

Thanks Seeker. The ultram I have, combined with the loperamide has definitley helped.
My father, is a tough old guy and he's doing surpisngly well, but I remember the day he was diagnosed, it was just awful. When the doctor's office called with the results of the biopsy I was on one extension and my father was on the other and the words still ring in my ears. "malignant melanoma, the 4th out of 5 stages" Stage 0 is the first stage, so sometimes his stage is refered to as stage 3, with 4 being the worst, but either way its bad. I was the one who told him to go the doctor to get a mole on his shoulder checked out when I saw it was getting bigger and I feel guilty that I didn't notice it earlier. Like I said, I lost my mom to breast cancer when I was 10, so I basically grew up with a dying parent and this brought it all back.
But I just want to be here for him and support him anyway I can. I know he needs me and I just can't be a mess while he's going through this.

 

[theseeker]

I definitely see what you mean by having to be there for him. Maybe you can wean yourself down a bit during this time? Again, I use tramadol (ultram) to do this because 1) it doesn't get you high and 2) it seems to last a long time. In fact, if I take too much I feel really weird so it's hard for me to abuse. It just keeps me functional and I find it easier to taper with that rather than percs (my DOC).

Different people have different opinions about tapering. Some say that it prolongs the agony of w/d. Furthermore, even when the taper is over- you're going to still go through w/d. Also, you get the shit over with if you cold-turkey. As for me, I like to step myself down a bit if I've been taking pills for a few months. It still sucks, it just sucks less.

In any case- all the best to you.

 

[theartofwar]

feelin better Golden ? I see you're hangin in - keep it up - stay as active as possible , anything to stimulate endorphins will be a huge help. I almost ran myself dry when I was kickin methadone of lil swimmers - and basically just prolonged any exercising as long as possible - it was the only time of the day i felt human... 7 weeks of that shit ... worst kick i've ever been thru.

 

[vortex30]

Hey Golden, just a bit of advice here for your weekend and next few days and being there for your father.

Take as LITTLE percocet as possibly over the weekend, and only 1-2 at a time. Try to save at least 2 or 3 percs for that morning you need to be there for your father and even maybe 1 tramadol too. Then you will at least be good for the concert and for your dad. Rather than just really good for the concert.

 

[Bojangles69]

Yeh I agree theseeker about tram working well for pods. But I also notice she didn't really mention what dose of pods she was on.
If she coming off a 20-30gm habit the wds are likely to be minimal. If shes coming off an 80-100gms habit thats a totally different story. And pod wds will NOT be over in just a few days. For the avg person they're at minimum 5 days, but for heavier habits will stretch right into the third week like my case.
Pods take FOREVER to get out of your system, sorry to say it but its part the reason why the wds are quite so nasty. Not to mention that your withdrawing from 40+ alkaloids at one time lol, that shit is not fun. And theseeker mentioned cold turkey vs tapering if you have the opportunity to cold turkey away from your family I'd say do it, otherwise theres no way your functioning in life unless you do a taper off that shit.

 

[paranoid android]

One word of caution about tramadol. It's okay to use to maybe stop you from being sick for abit but tramadol withdrawals can be absolutly horrible and last forever from what people who have been addicted to it have told me. Your not only dealing with opioid withdrawal but your also dealing with SNRI withdrawal so it's gonna suck doubly bad.

So taking it to get through a few days is all fine and dandy (just make sure to not take more then 400mg's in a day) but using it to taper is a awful idea atleast in my opinion.

 

[Tiesto]

Honestly just go through the withdrawal for now, and save whatever you have so you don't feel like shit on your trip. Yeah, it'll suck, but at the same time you know you have a safety net of opiates to look forward to on your trip. After the trip I suggest stopping completely, which will suck, but hey, you got to see your band right? I would suggest getting some OTC codeine, but I noticed you're in the states, so that sucks lol.

The way I used to deal with opiate withdrawal was: constantly smoking weed, laying in bed rarely getting up (except to use the washroom and eat). Also I took tylenol 1's (or just tylenol for pain + ibuprofen) + immodium + valerian + omega 3-6-9 vitamins (kinda made my mood better). This is not a cure-all by any means, and obviously everyone's body is different, so whatever worked for me may not work for you. Also this only decreased the intensity of the withdrawal by a little, not that much - but really, when you're in withdrawal every little help you can get it worthwhile.

 

[GoldenLovely]

feelin better Golden ? I see you're hangin in - keep it up - stay as active as possible , anything to stimulate endorphins will be a huge help. I almost ran myself dry when I was kickin methadone of lil swimmers - and basically just prolonged any exercising as long as possible - it was the only time of the day i felt human... 7 weeks of that shit ... worst kick i've ever been thru.

I am feeling better today, thanks. Better than I thought I would, though of course I know this isn't an overnight thing. Its a process. I think the worst thing right now isnt the physical pain or discomfort, that seems to be somewhat under control, but the mental aspect. I'm still feeling shaky and tense, but like I said before, I kind felt that way alot of the time BEFORE opiates, which is one of the reasons I got on them in the first place, so I don't expect that to go away even when I get over the WDs That's really something I have to find a solution for if I ever want to get off of this long term. What's odd is I actually felt a bit better this morning, now I'm getting more jittery. I wonder if that's normal.

Hey Golden, just a bit of advice here for your weekend and next few days and being there for your father.

Take as LITTLE percocet as possibly over the weekend, and only 1-2 at a time. Try to save at least 2 or 3 percs for that morning you need to be there for your father and even maybe 1 tramadol too. Then you will at least be good for the concert and for your dad. Rather than just really good for the concert.

That's a good idea, I'll try that, I'll just have to see how it goes and what I can handle. I think I'm going to have to have a few my travel day tomorrow, which is the day before the concert. I'm just to jittery to travel without anything. Then a few the day of the concert and then we'll see from there.

Yeh I agree theseeker about tram working well for pods. But I also notice she didn't really mention what dose of pods she was on.
If she coming off a 20-30gm habit the wds are likely to be minimal. If shes coming off an 80-100gms habit thats a totally different story. And pod wds will NOT be over in just a few days. For the avg person they're at minimum 5 days, but for heavier habits will stretch right into the third week like my case.
Pods take FOREVER to get out of your system, sorry to say it but its part the reason why the wds are quite so nasty. Not to mention that your withdrawing from 40+ alkaloids at one time lol, that shit is not fun. And theseeker mentioned cold turkey vs tapering if you have the opportunity to cold turkey away from your family I'd say do it, otherwise theres no way your functioning in life unless you do a taper off that shit.

The reason I didn't mention a dose, is that honestly, as far as how many gms I was taking, I just don't know and it was different everytime depending on mood, circumstance and the strength of the pods. As I'm sure you know, those things can be tricky.
But it was everyday, usually twice a day. Usually, In the early afternoons and late evenings. I put them in a coffee grinder until they were as finely ground as I could get them and I'd use anywhere from two to four heaping tablespoons at a time.

One word of caution about tramadol. It's okay to use to maybe stop you from being sick for abit but tramadol withdrawals can be absolutly horrible and last forever from what people who have been addicted to it have told me. Your not only dealing with opioid withdrawal but your also dealing with SNRI withdrawal so it's gonna suck doubly bad.

So taking it to get through a few days is all fine and dandy (just make sure to not take more then 400mg's in a day) but using it to taper is a awful idea atleast in my opinion.

Thanks, but I don't have nearly enough Tramadol to use all that much. Really just enough to get me through the next few days and if I'm really conservative, maybe have one left over for next week, so I'm good there.

Honestly just go through the withdrawal for now, and save whatever you have so you don't feel like shit on your trip. Yeah, it'll suck, but at the same time you know you have a safety net of opiates to look forward to on your trip. After the trip I suggest stopping completely, which will suck, but hey, you got to see your band right? I would suggest getting some OTC codeine, but I noticed you're in the states, so that sucks lol.

The way I used to deal with opiate withdrawal was: constantly smoking weed, laying in bed rarely getting up (except to use the washroom and eat). Also I took tylenol 1's (or just tylenol for pain + ibuprofen) + immodium + valerian + omega 3-6-9 vitamins (kinda made my mood better). This is not a cure-all by any means, and obviously everyone's body is different, so whatever worked for me may not work for you. Also this only decreased the intensity of the withdrawal by a little, not that much - but really, when you're in withdrawal every little help you can get it worthwhile.

Yep I'm basically going through it with a little ultram and alot of loperamide to take the edge off and not touching my percocet until at least tomorrow when I travel.
Yeah, in the USA, so no OTC codeine, would be nice, but things are so regulated here in the land of the free.

 

[artaxerxes]

Golden Lovely, Good luck and good planning on your part, I think. You're doing great with what you've got and I know you'll get through this. But hopefully, with a minimal amount of pain. I send you light and good vibes. I hope you're feeling okay right now.

What follows is advice for after your weekend.

I believe your best bet (this is just my preference, from my own experience, crafter of 5 years, opiate user of 15+ yrs), that managing to acquire a modest number (based on tolerance) of short-acting opiates (vicodin I feel is best, percocet 5s are ok), then tapering with those quickly, will yield you the easiest exit from pod w/d.

We all know that tapering off pods can be done. But it takes a long time, a reliable source (not good right now), and much will-power. I have had the best results with switching to a quick-acting opiate, then tapering over a week (or longer depending on length/size of habit) to zero.

Then, using what comfort meds that I have (listed in the awesome taper threads available here on BL) and toughing it out, exercising as much as possible to re-start production of endogenous endorphins in the body, and adding supplements to an exceptionally healthy diet gets me through to that day where I wake up and say, "Holy Fuck! I feel like a normal person! I think I'll go out and take a walk and enjoy it." That's always the point at which I know I've beaten the kick. I may have missed whether you're a CP patient, that makes a difference, but I am one too, so if that's so, just PM me. (I'm also 40, so I've been through some of this shit and different non-drug shit before.)

Information on comfort meds and meditation, nutrition, etc. may be accessed through a search on BL for tapers. There are incredibly masterful plans that will get you clean with a minimum of pain as long as your mental state is healthy and ready for the challenge. From everything I've read in this thread, you are ready to take this on and win the fight. Your head is in the right space it seems to me.

Right now you've got a lot of shit on your plate and a lot of challenges, and I wish you the best with them. I have been through this more than a few times and I welcome your PMs. But your first priority is a life experience (the concert) that will give you joy and energy and will launch your taper on a great note. I believe the process of /getting/ clean is at least 70% mental and 30% physical. Please PM me if you just want to talk, or if you need info, or a shoulder to cry on, etc.

I respect your battle and I know you can win it. I also respect your perspective on it because *you* know that you just substituted something else for something and I can relate to that. And I think that self-knowledge will help you in whatever approach you intend to follow in getting clean and taking next steps. There are also a lot of folks in TDS who are familiar with this scenario. And they're great people.

Much respect. Energy and Peace. —e.

ps. Initially, I wanted to ask your permission to add to your thread a quick rundown of the pod situation of this dreadful year, to warn people off the habit at this point and to provide them with some of the information that we as veteran crafters have become aware of that makes this year so terrible without precedent.

But right now, I think you have enough on your plate, so maybe we can just talk about it via PM. I will look for another thread (probably the mega-thread) to provide links and info as to why this is the worst year in recorded internet history for pods.

pss. Have an amazing time at your concert! I cant think of a better way to start a kick than a life-affirming experience with people and music you love. That's a good omen. Have a great time!

 

[GoldenLovely]

Golden Lovely, Good luck and good planning on your part, I think. You're doing great with what you've got and I know you'll get through this. But hopefully, with a minimal amount of pain. I send you light and good vibes. I hope you're feeling okay right now.

What follows is advice for after your weekend.

I believe your best bet (this is just my preference, from my own experience, crafter of 5 years, opiate user of 15+ yrs), that managing to acquire a modest number (based on tolerance) of short-acting opiates (vicodin I feel is best, percocet 5s are ok), then tapering with those quickly, will yield you the easiest exit from pod w/d.

We all know that tapering off pods can be done. But it takes a long time, a reliable source (not good right now), and much will-power. I have had the best results with switching to a quick-acting opiate, then tapering over a week (or longer depending on length/size of habit) to zero.

Then, using what comfort meds that I have (listed in the awesome taper threads available here on BL) and toughing it out, exercising as much as possible to re-start production of endogenous endorphins in the body, and adding supplements to an exceptionally healthy diet gets me through to that day where I wake up and say, "Holy Fuck! I feel like a normal person! I think I'll go out and take a walk and enjoy it." That's always the point at which I know I've beaten the kick. I may have missed whether you're a CP patient, that makes a difference, but I am one too, so if that's so, just PM me. (I'm also 40, so I've been through some of this shit and different non-drug shit before.)

Information on comfort meds and meditation, nutrition, etc. may be accessed through a search on BL for tapers. There are incredibly masterful plans that will get you clean with a minimum of pain as long as your mental state is healthy and ready for the challenge. From everything I've read in this thread, you are ready to take this on and win the fight. Your head is in the right space it seems to me.

Right now you've got a lot of shit on your plate and a lot of challenges, and I wish you the best with them. I have been through this more than a few times and I welcome your PMs. But your first priority is a life experience (the concert) that will give you joy and energy and will launch your taper on a great note. I believe the process of /getting/ clean is at least 70% mental and 30% physical. Please PM me if you just want to talk, or if you need info, or a shoulder to cry on, etc.

I respect your battle and I know you can win it. I also respect your perspective on it because *you* know that you just substituted something else for something and I can relate to that. And I think that self-knowledge will help you in whatever approach you intend to follow in getting clean and taking next steps. There are also a lot of folks in TDS who are familiar with this scenario. And they're great people.

Much respect. Energy and Peace. —e.

ps. Initially, I wanted to ask your permission to add to your thread a quick rundown of the pod situation of this dreadful year, to warn people off the habit at this point and to provide them with some of the information that we as veteran crafters have become aware of that makes this year so terrible without precedent.

But right now, I think you have enough on your plate, so maybe we can just talk about it via PM. I will look for another thread (probably the mega-thread) to provide links and info as to why this is the worst year in recorded internet history for pods.

pss. Have an amazing time at your concert! I cant think of a better way to start a kick than a life-affirming experience with people and music you love. That's a good omen. Have a great time!

Thank you artaxerxes for you kind words and encouragement. If you want to use my experience to help and warn others that's fine. I'm about to leave, so I can't say as much now as I'd like to, but I wanted to respond before I left. I would like to talk more, so we can talk via PM when I get back. I'll be back on Monday and I'll let you know how it went. Thanks again. Your support really does help so much!

 

[GoldenLovely]

Hey everyone, I'm back from my trip and I just thought I'd update you on how it went and how I'm doing.
Well it was interesting. One thing I didn't mention, because I thought ya'll would have thought I was crazy, but I didn't drive to my destination, I flew.
So yeah, I flew on a plane, to NY in bleak, cold gray December, while in the midst of WD. I know, I'm a fucking genius. Oh and since I've already told so much, might as well give TMI, but I was suffering from mad PMS as well and apparently the onset of the flu. The actual flu, not just the "flu"
Well long story short, some ups and downs. I guarded the 12 percs with my life and rationed them out to myself when I needed them. The flight in was fine, but some troubles with the transportation out of the airport added some not needed stress. Alot of folks were in town for the concert. Oh I never said who it was. Rammstein. This was their first and so far only stop in the USA in 9 years. Alot of people were getting together in bars and restaurants for meet ups. I'd go to the meet ups, stay for a while, then i'd feel sick and have to leave to lie down at my hotel room. Oh, when everyone was drinking at the bars and i was ordering water, I remember being jealous thinking, "Damn, wish I could order a cuppa pt and get my fix like they are all getting theirs." NY was interesting, but too cold, too dark and too overwhelming for someone trying to kick a habit. Yet I made it. The concert was great. The best ever and it proved that I can still feel pleasure. I had some crazy adventures. I'd never do something that insane again, but I don't regret going. The flight back was drama free or should have been, but I was really sick, so it was a bit of a nightmare.

Like I said, it turns out I was coming down with the flu, or maybe just a cold, but in my condition, it felt like the flu. By yesterday I was so sick, I had to go to the doctor.
One of the meds prescribed is cough syrup with codeine. So I'm not 100 percent off of opiates quite yet, and I still take the occasional dose of loperamide, but I haven't had pods in over a week, so that's good. I don't know what the future holds. Of course, I can't say I'll never do them again, no one can say that, but for right now I'm holding the line.

Today, woke up feeling like crap, took some of the meds prescribed, but the smallest dose possible and I seem to be ok.
Thanks again everyone for your words of wisdom, advice and support.

 

[ElectricCity]

hey thanks for the post-trip update!
I didn't reply in this thread at all until now, but I've been following it closely!

I have BEEN THERE- withdrawal on a plane! the insanity! I almost shudder to think about it in hindsight!

Good for you for having fun though at the concert! A bunch of my friends went to go see them with the same eagerness as you!
I don't know if I just didn't understand you clearly or whatnot- but were you basically in WD the whole time? Like were the percs you saved just barely covering the WD symptoms? Or were you able to enjoy the concert painlessly?

I also would love to hear another update if you further your detox! or just an honest update if you're back on pods now or making it through with things like codeine and such!

just wanted to pop in and say I relate! Your first post got me- like I sware one of the times I was kicking, I had good morning america on [sware to jeebus same thing!] and thought literally the same shit that you were thinking! About how they're so normal, and able to wake up and do the day as it is... and be laughing and not in a personal hell like we'd be!

Well, hope I didnt ramble too much! Hope you and your father are doing alright this week!

 

[GoldenLovely]

hey thanks for the post-trip update!
I didn't reply in this thread at all until now, but I've been following it closely!

I have BEEN THERE- withdrawal on a plane! the insanity! I almost shudder to think about it in hindsight!

Good for you for having fun though at the concert! A bunch of my friends went to go see them with the same eagerness as you!
I don't know if I just didn't understand you clearly or whatnot- but were you basically in WD the whole time? Like were the percs you saved just barely covering the WD symptoms? Or were you able to enjoy the concert painlessly?

I also would love to hear another update if you further your detox! or just an honest update if you're back on pods now or making it through with things like codeine and such!

just wanted to pop in and say I relate! Your first post got me- like I sware one of the times I was kicking, I had good morning america on [sware to jeebus same thing!] and thought literally the same shit that you were thinking! About how they're so normal, and able to wake up and do the day as it is... and be laughing and not in a personal hell like we'd be!

Well, hope I didnt ramble too much! Hope you and your father are doing alright this week!

Hey EC, thanks for your response.
Funny how different people can be going through the same experiences and thinking the exact same things.
The WDs were definitely on and off. When I was taking the tramadol, they very nearly stopped. I think that stuff is like a miracle drug, and strangly they worked even better than the percs, go figure.
The flight in was fine. No WDs, but by the time I got inot the city I was feeling lousy. There were various get togethers which I went to and then would have to leave early because I'd start to feel so bad. When I'd feel really bad, I'd take a few percs and "perc" up.
The day of the concert was pretty good. I was able to enjoy the show without many negative effects at all. It was really a great concert.
Then I had one extra day in NY and it was pretty touch and go. By the time of the return flight, I was out of percs, coming down with the real flu so that was a bit of a nightmare. Especially because I had a window seat..NEVER ever again. Whether I'm 100 percent off of any substance or not, if i ever fly again....aisle seat from now on. Looking out the window is ok, but I felt trapped. I really thought I was going to pass out.
At the moment I'mv feeling so-so. I've woken up a few times feeling pretty lousy. Still have stomach issues if I run out of loperamide, but I bought myself a new supply and am slowly rationing out the cough syrup and more or less holding my own. Thanks again, Ill keep you updated.

 

[curlygurl1980]

hey golden lovely just wondering how u r doing? hope u r feelin okay

 

[GoldenLovely]

hey golden lovely just wondering how u r doing? hope u r feelin okay

Heya Curly,
I'm ok...Mornings are still bad. Always wake up feeling a bit blech, with some pain and anxiety. Once I wake up, I feel better.
Taking a bit of codeine here and there when it gets too tough. But not every day..
Right now I feel fairly normal. Going to the dr's office with my dad like I mentioned in one of my earlier posts. Dad's doing ok too. We're both hanging in there. Thanks for asking about me.