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Dealers vs Pushers

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What is the difference in your opinion? Do you think one is morally or ethically worse than the other?

Assuming you believed that a drug needed to be regulated by the state, which is a big if in a lot of cases, but lets say you did.....Do you think the state should treat pushers different from small scale sellers who just hook their friends up?
 
A pusher is a dealer, but a dealer isn't necessarily a pusher. To me, the word "pusher" is more negative and refers to the types of dealers who would happily sell drugs even to kids. Assuming the state needed to regulate drugs, yeah, I think a full-time dealer or pusher should receive a harsher penalty than someone who's just hooking their friends up. But of course, I'm taking a prohibitionist view here which I don't believe in. Drugs should be legally available to all adults, just as alcohol and tobacco are now.
 
I agree with P. It sounds liek a pusher is someone who randomly offers anybody hard drugs.
 
Another criteria might be that they are advertising it, aggressively selling it, peddling it and telling people who have never tried it how great it is. They are salesmen of the drug.

Marketing to children is highly unethical in my opinion, but any time you go out of your way to get somebody to try something in hopes that they get addicted....That isnt cool, at least in my opinion. It somehow seems worse than just enabling an addict.
 
Sentience said:
Another criteria might be that they are advertising it, aggressively selling it, peddling it and telling people who have never tried it how great it is. They are salesmen of the drug.
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Agreed. Actually, they're the "used car salesmen of drugs". Overly persistent and trying to convince the buyer that it's better than it really is.
 
that was not my idea of "pusher" at all. in my head, "pusher" is someone who is not selling so much as income but a way to maintain their habit. a junkie doesn't deal on the corner to maintain his/her habit, he/she pushes.
 
While the terms are quite similar, I'd consider a dealer to be someone more in it for the money, while a pusher could have more of an intention of getting drugs out of it. But I'd say they are basically the same
 
Is that east coast slang? Maybe the term is used differently different places, but the way I have always heard it used is that being a pusher means that you are being pushier, as in more aggressive and assertive.

Perhaps the pusher just wants drugs, or maybe thats why some people trying to support their own habit are pushers...because they are desperate so they are trying harder to get your money.

The name pusher doesnt really seem fitting to describe someone who is more relaxed or less aggressively selling....I wonder how the term started getting used like that.
 
ive never heard pusher, im on the east coast, but i havent ever had a proper dealer either.
 
my definition came from books of authors like William S Burroughs and Selby Jr. I have no actual association with the heroin culture. I think "push" aspect of it refers to that they are the footmen in the addict/streets system that are "pushing" the product through that system for upper level suppliers, not being "pushy." heroin addicts don't seem to need any prodding. I would imagine it got this secondary definition from health classes and concerned mothers, though I had never heard it used that way.

BTW 1,000! I am gonna have to have a drink to celebrate.
 
LSDMDMA&8337072 said:
ive never heard pusher, im on the east coast, but i havent ever had a proper dealer either.
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Yeah I know the word, but I've never heard it being used. Dealers are dealers here.

tr3jo said:
I have a question then though, If a drug dealer is someone who has a more lets say, a more "moralistic" approach to selling drugs, while a pusher is someone whos just basically doesnt give a shit and sells to all ages, with shit drugs at most likely shit prices. How does the evolucion of a drug dealer start? Like I certainly know where i live, if you want to get into the game there are certain boundraries and people you cant sell to because they buy from proper drug dealers, so alot of of newbies start by selling to people like the young adults, with shit prices, looking for people who are stupid enough buy what we call "Jew" Prices and Quantities to start a market with, similar to the antics of the "Pusher" then as they slowly start to expand and bump into other low level dealer competion they are forced to upgrade thier size quality of drugs and ways of dealing, and eventually reach a respectable status within the drug dealing community they officiall lose the negative connotations and pusher status.

Your thoughts, or obsrvations?
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I think most dealers evolve from the ones who just hook their friends up, and then expand their customer base by hooking up friends of friends, and so on. Or if they're bold, they'll start loitering and attracting attention that way. Word soon gets around. If you want to get into the game, in my city at least, you'll need to begin dealing in a neighbourhood/suburb that isn't controlled by a gang, or else you'll inevitably be shut down or forced to pay a tax.
 
Sentience said:
Is that east coast slang?
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Yeah probably originated out here. It's old slang, e.g. have you ever heard the song "Pusherman" by Curtis Mayfield?

I think of a pusher as a street-level dude that's very aggressive, sells coke, heroin, whatever, doesn't have a moral attachment to his customers & will get violent if necessary. While a dealer could be a big-time dude or just some guy smoking / doing drugs for free, the pusher doesn't usually use his supply. Although the word has negative connotations, ruthlessness is often necessary in that biz.
 
For me, a pusher is sort of like a middle man...they either hook up friends or just do it to use for free, while a dealer actually makes some form of profit. I'm also on the east coast US...I never even thought it had a violent or even the other connotations mentioned in this thread thus far, actually.
 
Scarface was a dealer, 50 Cent (the rapper, if you'd seen the movie Get Rich or Die Tryin') was a pusher

in my opinion
 
tr3jo said:
I have a question then though, If a drug dealer is someone who has a more lets say, a more "moralistic" approach to selling drugs, while a pusher is someone whos just basically doesnt give a shit and sells to all ages, with shit drugs at most likely shit prices. How does the evolucion of a drug dealer start? Like I certainly know where i live, if you want to get into the game there are certain boundraries and people you cant sell to because they buy from proper drug dealers, so alot of of newbies start by selling to people like the young adults, with shit prices, looking for people who are stupid enough buy what we call "Jew" Prices and Quantities to start a market with, similar to the antics of the "Pusher" then as they slowly start to expand and bump into other low level dealer competion they are forced to upgrade thier size quality of drugs and ways of dealing, and eventually reach a respectable status within the drug dealing community they officiall lose the negative connotations and pusher status.

Your thoughts, or obsrvations?
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This makes sense.

However, I think that 'pusher' should be defined more by how you conduct yourself than how large scale you are. Perhaps the professional drug dealers who are smart do not act like pushers, but the low level street sellers are pushers....but I dont think that being low level is what makes you a pusher and you could be a really stupid high level pusher though its a good way to get caught.

I think the real difference is in how you conduct yourself. The street seller who loiters for customers is a pusher and is more low scale than his suppliers or boss who is a professional dealer, but the guy who agrees to pick up a few extra pills from a party to bring back to his friends isnt really what I would consider a pusher.

So maybe lower level users are more likely to be pushers, but I dont think that it should be defined as just making less money or having a smaller client base.


Anyone else agree with this?

I am from the west coast USA though.
 
Producer
Importer/Exporter
Distribution Hub
High Level Dealer(Pounds)
Medium Level (Ounces)
Lower Level (Grams)
Pusher/schemer/drug user selling low level
Finally the Basic ol' user

at least how it works in around the part of Nj i am near...Btw get to know the top 3 level people... and you are set for life
 
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