Heroin day 2, please help me

[jm1313]

Looking at me you would NEVER think that I would have a drug problem. I am about to turn 21, I (was) a succesful college student ( i let this past year slide,bad), and I come from a happy, clean, home. It all started when my boyfriend started to do perc 30s. He would give me the smallest amount of the 30 and then we'd smoke weed until we were really high. He was doing probably 25 and i was doing maybe 5 of it. We would only do one pill a day if that. Then it slowly started to increase as hed give me more and hed be breaking up 1 and a half for us to split. THE WHOLE TIME I HAVE DONE THESE DRUGS I HAVE CONVINCED MY SELF THAT IM NOT AN ADDICT AND I COULD STOP ANY TIME AND BE FINE. BIG MISTAKE. Well i really wasnt that bad but my boyfriend was quickly going downhill. His dad and i were able to get him into an inpatient detox program that lasted a week. Unfortunatly they were dosing him like he was a much worse addict and when he left he had to face subutex withdrawls.while he was there i didnt do any pills and i was fine, didnt withdrawl at all. It wasnt very long before he relapsed. I went right back into my old routine with him of always getting some of what he was breaking up for himself. We eventually got a lot of money, money that we should have invested and saved but it is now all gone, and i feel this is adding to my depression. We were picking up 30 pills at a time and i started to break up my own and do half at a time. I was soon doing one and a half pills a day. WHEN THE MONEY RAN OUT WE SWITCHED TO HEROIN BECAUSE IT IS CHEAPER, a perc 30 goes for <NO PRICES> here. this whole time i was telling myself im not addicted and i could stop any time. what i didnt realize i was doing was everytime id start to feel sick at all id do a line. i was tricking myself. yesterday morning i decided that i need to stop and i cant let my life rot away. i am weaning down, only doing crumbs when i cant take the pain anymore. Since yesterday morning i have only done crumbs twice. yesterday was really really bad. i was throwing up, and sweating, hot and cold flashes and i havent eaten anything. today i feel a little better, the sweats have gotten a little better and i have only thrown up once. It is 12:20pm and i havent even done any crumbs yet. i need help getting through this. It is impossible to get my boyfriend to stop. every bag he buys he promises is the last one until its almost gone and he starts to freak out because its going to be gone and he goes and gets more. I know i have the will power to beat this, i am so sick of feeling like a gross piece of shit all the time. I have a script for klonopin and was wondering how well that will help, i have never abused these and take them rarely. I need to know what i need to buy otc to help with my stomache cramps, my body aches, my nausea, and my restlessness. I tried to smoke bud last night and it honestly made my symptoms way worse. I am so desperate to get over this and get on with my life. i dont want to go to a detox if their going to put me on the drugs my bf was on and itd be so shameful as my family has no idea i have been doing this. i want to turn 21 ( in 6 days) and be happy healthy and clean. I am not like most addicts, i dont crave the heroin and i dont get high off of it when i do do it. i think i was only ever doing just enough to not get sick. now that im stopping im getting sick and its really hard to handle.

im sorry this is so long im just desperate and need to know that this will end and i can get through this and what i should buy otc to help, maybe gatoraid too?? i just need help

day two....how many more to go

 

[Crankinit]

I am not like most addicts

Which is why you're broke and dopesick after spending all your money on heroin and oxys, right?

 

[helium-4]

lol, you are like most addicts, don't kid yourself, it wont do you any good.

You need to tell us how much you are doing a day, and how long you've been using daily so we can give you better advice on how to WD with a little less pain. No matter what though you are going to have to face the fact that quitting will hurt and it will be hard. There is no way around it. You can make it easier for yourself, but you can't avoid the WD.

Buy Loperamide (Imodium), its OTC and will help alot with some of the aches and pains. Keep yourself hydrated and fed. Go outside and get some sun/exercise as this will help your restlessness and release natural endorphins. Take the benzos you have at night to get to sleep, and if you have enough during the day to help with the anxiety.

Heroin WD should last ~3-4 days of the worst, then after a week you should be able to start getting on with your life with out the aches, pains, and other severe bullshit. You're going to be left with a peroid of time where things are not going to seem as fun, its going to be harder to motivate yourself, your sleep may be fucked for a little while, depression will be easy to fall into, etc. This is PAWS. Depending on how long you've been using, determines how long you may have to deal with PAWS, but the initial WD shouldn't last more than a week with a short acting opiate like heroin.

 

[jm1313]

taken out of context "I am not like most addicts, i dont crave the heroin and i dont get high off of it when i do do it" i only do enough to keep me from getting sick,not ever enought to feel "high" i dont think i even know what a heroin high is, i never buy it for myself it is always around me when my bf does it.

but thanks for the help

i am and was doing barely any each day. two little lines of just enough to put off the sickness once in the morning and once at night. now its down to crumb amounts but i havent done any today and its now 1:03

 

[helium-4]

It sounds like you are only having to deal with minor WDs. Count yourself lucky and use this as motivation to not use again. Even minor WDs suck, so continuing to use will only make WDs worse and worse. Everyday after the 3 day from your last use will get easier and easier. Keep that in mind as well. So once you get past tomorrow, things will start clearing up.

 

[RobotRipping]

get some loperamide and the klonopin will definitely help with many of the annoying symptoms. Give it 4-5 days and you'll start to feel better.

 

[jm1313]

Thank you!! it does seem minor, on day two (today) i am already feeling like i am coming out of it, just my stomache is killing me. I NEVER want to go back, I made a mistake by messing around with this and once this sickness is over i wont make the same mistake twice (im sure plenty of addicts say this but i really am sick of this lifestyle)it may be a struggle but its worth it

 

[helium-4]

buying loperamide will help alot with the stomach problems.

With already having intestinal issues, the GI pains/spasms are one of the worst parts for me, and I've noticed heroin is one of the worst offenders in causing those pains. Loperamide will help alot with those pains, so definitely look into that. Its in the anti-diarrheal opioid that doesn't have any central nervous system effects (meaning it wont carry your WDs longer down the road or anything like that, so you don't have to worry about it being an opioid)

 

[Tommyboy]

i am and was doing barely any each day. two little lines of just enough to put off the sickness once in the morning and once at night. now its down to crumb amounts but i havent done any today and its now 1:03

That's still like most addicts. A lot of us are in college and or have graduated, as well as graduating from pills to heroin. Also, many of us use just to keep the sick away, that's how addiction works. The typical addict isn't like the ones in the movies/media that is skinny, dirty, long hair, robbing and stealing so they can be shooting up and nodding all day.

Anyway, check out this thread for info on how to get through opiate/opioid withdrawal using OTC meds that anybody can get as well as prescription meds if you can get them.

If you are taking "crumbs" of oxy, then eat them instead of sniffing them. I'm not sure how you are taking them now, but taking them orally is best since it has a higher bioavailability than nasal, and lasts a lot longer so the withdrawal should take longer to kick in after each dose.

You also need to reevaluate your relationship with your boyfriend since it has become a "toxic relationship" and will be very difficult for you both to get clean if you are bad influences on one another.

 

[Secret Agent Chick]

You also need to reevaluate your relationship with your boyfriend since it has become a "toxic relationship" and will be very difficult for you both to get clean if you are bad influences on one another.

I have to agree with this bit. Trying to break an addiction whilst in a relationship with an addict would be hard. The temptation would always be there, and there is even the possibility that your boyfriend may try to sabotage your efforts (consciously or subconsciously).

But I wish you all the best. The withdrawals will hurt, but each day will get a bit better, so hang in there

 

[80mg]

Looking at me you would NEVER think that I would have a drug problem. I am about to turn 21, I (was) a succesful college student ( i let this past year slide,bad), and I come from a happy, clean, home. It all started when my boyfriend started to do perc 30s. He would give me the smallest amount of the 30 and then we'd smoke weed until we were really high. He was doing probably 25 and i was doing maybe 5 of it. We would only do one pill a day if that. Then it slowly started to increase as hed give me more and hed be breaking up 1 and a half for us to split. THE WHOLE TIME I HAVE DONE THESE DRUGS I HAVE CONVINCED MY SELF THAT IM NOT AN ADDICT AND I COULD STOP ANY TIME AND BE FINE. BIG MISTAKE. Well i really wasnt that bad but my boyfriend was quickly going downhill. His dad and i were able to get him into an inpatient detox program that lasted a week. Unfortunatly they were dosing him like he was a much worse addict and when he left he had to face subutex withdrawls.while he was there i didnt do any pills and i was fine, didnt withdrawl at all. It wasnt very long before he relapsed. I went right back into my old routine with him of always getting some of what he was breaking up for himself. We eventually got a lot of money, money that we should have invested and saved but it is now all gone, and i feel this is adding to my depression. We were picking up 30 pills at a time and i started to break up my own and do half at a time. I was soon doing one and a half pills a day. WHEN THE MONEY RAN OUT WE SWITCHED TO HEROIN BECAUSE IT IS CHEAPER, a perc 30 goes for <NO PRICES> here. this whole time i was telling myself im not addicted and i could stop any time. what i didnt realize i was doing was everytime id start to feel sick at all id do a line. i was tricking myself. yesterday morning i decided that i need to stop and i cant let my life rot away. i am weaning down, only doing crumbs when i cant take the pain anymore. Since yesterday morning i have only done crumbs twice. yesterday was really really bad. i was throwing up, and sweating, hot and cold flashes and i havent eaten anything. today i feel a little better, the sweats have gotten a little better and i have only thrown up once. It is 12:20pm and i havent even done any crumbs yet. i need help getting through this. It is impossible to get my boyfriend to stop. every bag he buys he promises is the last one until its almost gone and he starts to freak out because its going to be gone and he goes and gets more. I know i have the will power to beat this, i am so sick of feeling like a gross piece of shit all the time. I have a script for klonopin and was wondering how well that will help, i have never abused these and take them rarely. I need to know what i need to buy otc to help with my stomache cramps, my body aches, my nausea, and my restlessness. I tried to smoke bud last night and it honestly made my symptoms way worse. I am so desperate to get over this and get on with my life. i dont want to go to a detox if their going to put me on the drugs my bf was on and itd be so shameful as my family has no idea i have been doing this. i want to turn 21 ( in 6 days) and be happy healthy and clean. I am not like most addicts, i dont crave the heroin and i dont get high off of it when i do do it. i think i was only ever doing just enough to not get sick. now that im stopping im getting sick and its really hard to handle.

im sorry this is so long im just desperate and need to know that this will end and i can get through this and what i should buy otc to help, maybe gatoraid too?? i just need help

day two....how many more to go

Sounds like my story...can you get your hands on suboxone?

 

[helium-4]

If she is already in the middle of day 2 of a heroin WD when shes only dosing a line or two a day, suboxone is a terrible choice. It will only put her body back a few steps, then extend the WD over a longer period. She is better off using non-opioids to help her get through the next few days (benzos and lope) then being done with opiates for good unless she wants to experience harder and more painful WDs

 

[DroneLore]

Loperamide will help alot with those pains, so definitely look into that. Its in the anti-diarrheal opioid that doesn't have any central nervous system effects (meaning it wont carry your WDs longer down the road or anything like that, so you don't have to worry about it being an opioid)

From what I read (and it makes sense to me), one can become dependent upon loperamide if the the use is too prolonged. I imagine it would be like a purely physical heroin WD without the dysphoric mindfuck. All it is doing is satisfying the crying opiate receptors in your stomach, so I'm pretty sure the same principals of tolerance and dependence apply. I'm not saying DON'T use it, just keep in mind you may find yourself needing to taper off it once you're over the DOC WD.

 

[helium-4]

But if she is getting through a heroin WD, that isn't enough time to become dependent on lope, especially when she wouldn't be using it at super high doses. If you're 2 days into a heroin WD, almost at the 3rd, where she says things are starting to feel like they are turning around, taking lope for the next week will not cause you to have a WD. you might have some diarrhea once stopping for the a day, but that is going to be very minor, especially if you take benzos to help calm intestinal spasms.

 

[rules]

Thank you!! it does seem minor, on day two (today) i am already feeling like i am coming out of it, just my stomache is killing me. I NEVER want to go back, I made a mistake by messing around with this and once this sickness is over i wont make the same mistake twice (im sure plenty of addicts say this but i really am sick of this lifestyle)it may be a struggle but its worth it

whatever you say...the hard part IS NOT withdrawal. it's not using once you get out of withdrawals. you're going to say you won't now...but wait till you get there. it changes everything. also, i should add that having a boyfriend who is an addict is IMPOSSIBLE if you are trying to quit for good. don't kid yourself...it's going to make things complicated. just being honest. good luck and hopefully you won't become like me

 

[80mg]

If she is already in the middle of day 2 of a heroin WD when shes only dosing a line or two a day, suboxone is a terrible choice. It will only put her body back a few steps, then extend the WD over a longer period. She is better off using non-opioids to help her get through the next few days (benzos and lope) then being done with opiates for good unless she wants to experience harder and more painful WDs

Yeah but does she REALLY want to go through withdrawl and PAWS for the next few months or just gradually get off suboxone? It's all up to her.

From what I read (and it makes sense to me), one can become dependent upon loperamide if the the use is too prolonged. I imagine it would be like a purely physical heroin WD without the dysphoric mindfuck. All it is doing is satisfying the crying opiate receptors in your stomach, so I'm pretty sure the same principals of tolerance and dependence apply. I'm not saying DON'T use it, just keep in mind you may find yourself needing to taper off it once you're over the DOC WD.

Yeah but it's alot better choice than bupe and she may not want to do cold turkey.

But if she is getting through a heroin WD, that isn't enough time to become dependent on lope, especially when she wouldn't be using it at super high doses. If you're 2 days into a heroin WD, almost at the 3rd, where she says things are starting to feel like they are turning around, taking lope for the next week will not cause you to have a WD. you might have some diarrhea once stopping for the a day, but that is going to be very minor, especially if you take benzos to help calm intestinal spasms.

You make it sound like after the 4th day she's going to wake up and "HALALULA!" she's cured!

No...it's a long road after initail WD's. You got PAWS plus cravings out the ass. Which is why cold turkey almost always ends in relapse.

 

[rules]

Which is why cold turkey almost always ends in relapse.

this. thank you. cold turkey is just NOT a good way to get off opiates or opioids. it just isn't. cold turkey is always the first thing addicts try. OP, you won't be the first person in the world that gets past withdrawals, and then relapses a day or two after. why? i don't know. the real question is WHY NOT? that's what your brain will say. psychological addiction is everything. physical means nothing. withdrawals are always DOABLE.

 

[Effuzion]

Suboxone has PAWS too. Especially if you take it longer than a couple weeks. I was on it for a couple months, got off, then relapsed after 3-4 weeks of feeling like shit. Then I decided I was gonna stay "clean" by maintaining on suboxone for a year and a half, which was miserable. I was still getting withdrawal symptoms over a month after stopping the subs that time, and I'm still going through PAWS now (5+ months off).

No matter what you do you have to go through hell. There's no easy way out. Since you got this far already and your habit wasn't massive, don't fuck with the subs.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Quit now while you still can! There is emotional support and advice available in The Dark Side forum, and advice about what to do to help with the withdrawal symptoms in the opiate addiction/withdrawal megathreads. Just search around on the forum and you will find loads of threads written about heroin addiction and withdrawal. I wish someone had told me when I was trying to quit how easy heroin withdrawal is compared to withdrawal from methadone or suboxone. Do NOT go on methadone or suboxone unless you absolutely can't quit any other way and have seriously tried many times and you are willing to be on medication and chained to something for the rest of your life. If you haven't been using too long the withdrawal won't be as bad as if you keep using heroin for longer before you try to quit either. I know it is fucking miserable and you feel like you are going to die and will probably have crippling depression, but if you can make it through the first 5 days you will be ok. Then you will still need to get help to deal with the reasons you were using in the first place or you will just go back to it. Good luck and know that you are not alone

 

[helium-4]

You make it sound like after the 4th day she's going to wake up and "HALALULA!" she's cured!

No...it's a long road after initail WD's. You got PAWS plus cravings out the ass. Which is why cold turkey almost always ends in relapse.

If you bothered to read my posts in here I brought up PAWS.

Heroin WD should last ~3-4 days of the worst, then after a week you should be able to start getting on with your life with out the aches, pains, and other severe bullshit. You're going to be left with a peroid of time where things are not going to seem as fun, its going to be harder to motivate yourself, your sleep may be fucked for a little while, depression will be easy to fall into, etc. This is PAWS. Depending on how long you've been using, determines how long you may have to deal with PAWS, but the initial WD shouldn't last more than a week with a short acting opiate like heroin.

Also, with how little shes been using, and probably the short duration, the PAWS wont be that severe compared to users who have been using for years and bags of H a day. Not to say PAWS wont exist, but I bet you that the acute WD will be as rough as the PAWs for her habit. I didn't start getting PAWs until was I dosing a solid amount of oxy a day (90+mg). Everyone is different, but duration and intensity of the habit makes a HUGE difference in the duration and intensity of PAWS.

Suboxone has PAWS too, any opioid will produce the PAWS once a habit has started. If anything suboxone will make the period of PAWS longer than if she just quit now with out switching her addiction. Her habit is to small for suboxone or methadone if you ask me.