Heroin day 2, please help me

[Swimmingdancer]

By the way, I think you need to do some serious thinking about your relationship. Best of luck

 

[rules]

By the way, I think you need to do some serious thinking about your relationship. Best of luck

yeah. even if OP beats the odds and quits cold turkey...you're still going to be dating a heroin addict. how long do you think you're gonna last?

 

[Tommyboy]

Suboxone has PAWS too. Especially if you take it longer than a couple weeks. I was on it for a couple months, got off, then relapsed after 3-4 weeks of feeling like shit. Then I decided I was gonna stay "clean" by maintaining on suboxone for a year and a half, which was miserable. I was still getting withdrawal symptoms over a month after stopping the subs that time, and I'm still going through PAWS now (5+ months off).

No matter what you do you have to go through hell. There's no easy way out. Since you got this far already and your habit wasn't massive, don't fuck with the subs.

I agree. You get PAWS from suboxone just like you get PAWS from other opiates, and the PAWS from suboxone is pretty bad if you have been on it for a while since your body and mind is used to have the drug in you 24/7 as opposed to with other opiates when you have some time without the drug in your system when you are on a run.

Plenty of people kick cold turkey. It's when you either have a larger habit or you have kicked cold turkey several times and kept on relapsing that you should consider suboxone. If your life is pretty shitty then suboxone can be used to help you pick up the pieces until your life is more manageable and then you can get off and hopefully stay off. But if your life is alright and the only real problem is your drug use then cold turkey is fine.

As far as detox goes, suboxone can make it not as severe but if you are already on day 2 then I wouldn't bother. I don't think that you are any more likely to relapse whether you do it cold turkey or you take suboxone for 3-4 days. Once the drugs are out of your system then you are in the same situation so it doesn't matter if you used suboxone or not.

If someone just sticks it out cold turkey they are going to feel pretty shitty for 3 days or so and not be able to do much. If they take suboxone to aide in the detox then they will feel less shitty, but for a slightly longer period of time. I don't see how one or the other will result in a higher rate of relapse, considering you actually complete the detox and are no longer in withdrawal.

 

[80mg]

Suboxone has PAWS too. Especially if you take it longer than a couple weeks. I was on it for a couple months, got off, then relapsed after 3-4 weeks of feeling like shit. Then I decided I was gonna stay "clean" by maintaining on suboxone for a year and a half, which was miserable. I was still getting withdrawal symptoms over a month after stopping the subs that time, and I'm still going through PAWS now (5+ months off).

No matter what you do you have to go through hell. There's no easy way out. Since you got this far already and your habit wasn't massive, don't fuck with the subs.

Yes. But the PAW of coming off a partial opiate agonist at a very low dose (0.5 or even .25 if possible) is ALOT less painful. Plus the time on suboxone will allow some partial healing of the opiate receptors suboxone doesnt attach too

Quit now while you still can! There is emotional support and advice available in The Dark Side forum, and advice about what to do to help with the withdrawal symptoms in the opiate addiction/withdrawal megathreads. Just search around on the forum and you will find loads of threads written about heroin addiction and withdrawal. I wish someone had told me when I was trying to quit how easy heroin withdrawal is compared to withdrawal from methadone or suboxone. Do NOT go on methadone or suboxone unless you absolutely can't quit any other way and have seriously tried many times and you are willing to be on medication and chained to something for the rest of your life. If you haven't been using too long the withdrawal won't be as bad as if you keep using heroin for longer before you try to quit either. I know it is fucking miserable and you feel like you are going to die and will probably have crippling depression, but if you can make it through the first 5 days you will be ok. Then you will still need to get help to deal with the reasons you were using in the first place or you will just go back to it. Good luck and know that you are not alone

I completly disagree. Coming off a low dose of bupe tapered over several months is a walk in the park compared cold turkey heroin. The stats of people who detoxed off bupe and those who went cold turkey speak for themselves.

If you bothered to read my posts in here I brought up PAWS.

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Then why would you suggest this?

 

[helium-4]

Because quiting while you have a small addiction limits PAWS and limits addiction? Seriously wtf are you going on about? The earlier you quit, the less the addiction will have an effect on your life. Putting yourself on suboxone will only carry the addiction on, and make the PAWS worse, as well as make the user have a 2 week+ acute WD rather than the week long acute WD with heroin. You seriously need to read the whole thread. Her addiction is SMALL. Continuing with a partial agonist doesn't mean she wont have to deal with PAWS or WD. Just because suboxone works for someone who can take a 80mg oxy doesn't mean it will work for someone who probably doesn't even take a whole 30 when she gets high on oxy. Your suggesting something very stupid and would only carry her addiction farther and farther. Especially since she is already in the middle of the WD and is starting to feel like she is feeling better.

Suboxone and methadone should only be used for serious habits which the user can not get off their DOC opioid with out help. Adding an extra week or month of opioid use, even a partial agonist will still make the dependence to opioids worse for a small short habit.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

I completly disagree. Coming off a low dose of bupe tapered over several months is a walk in the park compared cold turkey heroin. The stats of people who detoxed off bupe and those who went cold turkey speak for themselves.

Well I may have been lumping it in with methadone and it does really depend on the person, how much they were taking and how long they were taking it, the rate of taper, their metabolism, etc. It affects different people really differently. But there are some people who find the withdrawal symptoms worse than heroin (especially compared to only using a small amount of heroin for a short time). If you have been taking a high dose of bupe for 10 yrs is going to be a lot worse to quit than taking it for a few months and gradually tapering down. Methadone on the other hand is HELL for withdrawals and they last for a very very long time. I just really wouldn't recommend either one of them for someone in the OP's situation. Best to try every other method of quitting first. It's very easy to end up on methadone or buprenorphine much longer than you intend, not realizing that quitting is just going to get harder and harder (physically at least).

EDIT: Also I was referring to the severity of the withdrawal symptoms. The reason people are more likely to be able to stay clean after they quit using methadone or bupe (as opposed to heroin cold-turkey) has nothing to do with how severe the withdrawal symptoms are. And there are TONS of people who just stay on methadone/bupe for the rest of their lives.

 

[Jacksterini]

Honey pleAse stay off tht stuff. U sound like a good kid who may be lucky to have use heroin recreationally in college and never looked back. I. Think with the way u say u feel now i wouldnt take anything if u cant sleep try otc meds like unisom or benedryl befor benZos. If ur able ti eat. Crumbs to prevent sickness ur stronger than alot of other people i no puking and pooping suck but ubseem lile ur getting better and able to tolerate it ao let it get out of u. Your body is detoxing. And feom wat ur sayin ur able to do it with willpower. Unfortunaltly the real big problem is your boyfriwnd I cant imagine being with someone qho uses. That is hard. But to maintain a drug free life u cant be around ur suppliers. Beat of luck keep us posted

 

[jm1313]

day 3 update

I was able to sleep last night fairly well. Tossing and turning so i slept on my couch because for some reason im finding it more comfortable right now. Its 12:38pm and aside from some seriousss body aches (all over ) and my stomache being weird and twisting im feeling much better than day 2. I might be able to get up and go to the grocery store, hopefully. I took 3 immodium pills last night (some people recomend taking 20 or more!! that seems to be wayyy to much so i stuck to 3 and they worked fine) i popped 2 tylonal pm and it passed me out until 1130 this morning. I seem to be able to sleep through most of this but the times i am awake are a struggle. I have a script for clonidine if i need them but i still havent taken one, and i have a script for klonopin (i have always had anexity but i HARDLEY take them,maybe a few a month, so i am not concerened about becoming dependent on them) i have probably taken 3 total during this withdrawal (one .5mg and two 1mg) and only when i get into my head and start to freak out. Other than that im eating plain white toast, ginger ale, and ensures. I was a strong person before this addiction and im finding my old strength to beat this. crying a lot but it seems to help.

i was never doing a ton, compared to many other people on here, but its been about a year that i have been messing around with this stuff

i WILL NOT take sub, i have once before, a tiny crumb of it and it made me really really sick, nodding, puking, so i'd rather avoid those and avoid the withdrawal from them.

day three, seeming optomistic, i can do this

 

[DooMMooD]

Thank you!! it does seem minor, on day two (today) i am already feeling like i am coming out of it, just my stomache is killing me. I NEVER want to go back, I made a mistake by messing around with this and once this sickness is over i wont make the same mistake twice (im sure plenty of addicts say this but i really am sick of this lifestyle)it may be a struggle but its worth it

If you really mean that then break up with him. Hes going to keep bringing you down, guaranteed.

And you ARE like most addicts. Amount doesn't make you more or like another addict, its how you use. You used like an addict I'll tell you that absolutely. And you DEFINITELY know what a heroin/opiate high feels like. Dont kid yourself: you didnt keep doing heroin/oxys all that time because it didnt give you any effect.

What amount of drugs you were doing DOES influence is length/intensity of withdrawals. Yours will be relatively minor. But be warned: youre not even a stones throw away from being like the best (worst?) of addicts.

 

[GABAking]

didn't read people's comments, but two things:

you're an addict. you're the walking definition of an addict...sorry to break the pretty obvious news to you

you need to leave your boyfriend if you really wanna get clean and he won't stop using. no way around it

 

[80mg]

^ tldr

LOL

 

[Pill2Chill]

this. thank you. cold turkey is just NOT a good way to get off opiates or opioids. it just isn't. cold turkey is always the first thing addicts try. OP, you won't be the first person in the world that gets past withdrawals, and then relapses a day or two after. why? i don't know. the real question is WHY NOT? that's what your brain will say. psychological addiction is everything. physical means nothing. withdrawals are always DOABLE.

Yeah that sounds quite right. I tried c/t too recently. And relapsed. It's very true that psychological addiction is everything. And it's a bitch with opies. (wasn't heroin though)

@op The best of luck, it's tough to kick the stuff I'm sure.