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Misc Datura/Scopolamine and other deliriants.

Yeah, it can feel kind of "witchy" or even demonic and creepy. Just a little. Even at the lower doses.

Sometime I think that a drug kind of absorbs all the experiences and develops a "gestalt" from them. I now realize I am using that term somewhat incorrectly and would love a suggestion as to a new one to use.
 
Chaurus said:
No idea what I did. Likely prostitution
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This thread is almost certainly long since dead, but back in maybe...1999 I was bored out of my mind, and couldn't find any drugs or fun things to do with my time so I thought...hey...the local botanical garden had a whole bunch of angel trumpets. I thought, alright, I gotta' be safe so i'll only take 3 flowers. I took 3 angel trumpets, blended them up and simmered them down to about 8oz of drink. I drank it down and the hell of it was it was delicious! So...after maybe 1-2 hours, every muscle in my body cramped...heart, lungs, everything. I was certain I was going to die. A little after that I found myself at a friends house...no idea how I got there. I kept lighting up cigarettes, taking a puff, flicking the ash, then trying to find where my cigarette went (I wasn't smoking any). There was a gap in time, and I was standing on the street with more of my friends (they came out to keep me alive, God bless 'em). One of my friends turned into a ficus tree and all the while massive waves were rolling in on the street. It looked like I could surf the middle of the road. Everything I tried to say to my friends was garbled (so I was told). It was 100% like dreaming while you are awake. At some point my friends drove to get a whole bunch of alcohol so they could deal with my bullshit. They left me in the car (which I was driving from the passenger seat) and when they came back I was gone. I am told I was talking some homeless guy's ear off and scaring him. I have no memory of that. At some point I ended up at my house with my friends waking my dad up at 4:00a and told them what was going on. My dad wanted to pump my stomach but by that time I could almost talk and be understood. I woke up the next morning and have been spending the rest of my life apologizing to my friends and family, and it never feels like enough.

So.....

Deliriants...

DON'T

Worst experience of my life, my friend's lives, and my parents lives.
Imagine a nightmare with REAL consequences that you can't wake up from.

None of that was fun, it was all terrifying, and it imposed way way way too much on my loved ones.

The fact that they still speak to me attests to the quality of friends I have.

Anyone considering this should just drink or something...seriously it is NOT worth it. If I didn't have good friends, I'd be dead.
 
Before my misadventure a page ago in 2001, I had done datura stramonium seeds once somewhere between 1996 and 1998. I watched myself in the mirror turning into sort of a cookie monster and wrote a poem titled Egg of Brainlessness, with otherwise no ill effects to speak of.

Those seeds were already quite old, unlike the pods I ate raw, taken from the banks of Rio Manzanares back in 2001.
 
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I would stay far far away from deleriants -- I wouldnt wish a benadryl trip on my worst enemy.

Accidentally ended up in that territory ON ACCIDENT when I was on morphine trying to potentiate till I had taken 10 12 benadryl in too short a period of time. Im just glad I was ALSO on morphine as that shit was discomforting AF. Need a bigger word disconcerting?

Just so I am adding something when I was about 12 I tried nutmeg -- couldnt get it down my 12 yr old throat. Had a friend that swore he tripped on eating too many hot peppers (same friend that suggested nutmeg, and smoking banana peels...

RIP ( I feel like I should note that )
 
pancreatis(Sp) at 37. If it were not for privacy I would share the last pic of him -- dude looked 90 FR, I questioned if it was photoshopped.....Than his wife took it down. (oops)

Thank you for asking/caring w/e --- he did alot of weird OTC type shit, idk if that contributed or not but his death shocked me
 
pharaoh said:
Based on the stupid "OTC" thread which just lists drugs that could be obtained legally, a lot of the drugs mentioned were deliriants, namely the active chemical in benadryl. This got me interested in datura and other plants which contain scopolamine. Also nutmeg (which I tried as a dumb kid).

I was looking at psychonaut wiki and wondering why anyone would want to take any of that stuff - it is quite rare to see drugs that aren't things like anti-psychotics, antidepressants or similar that have such negative effects, with people almost universally agreeing that they are horrible and shouldn't be played with,yet people still take these deliriants.

People buy benadryl, try and get a buzz and end up in some horrible trip being tortured by horrifying hallucinations. There were some amazing drawings associated with datura/scopolamine -terrifying stuff. I was even reminded of a nightmare I had whilst reading Ed Sanders' book 'The Family' on the Mason Family which still haunts me to this day.

My question is to those who have taken deliriants, especially datura or scopolamine powder but also the benadryl kiddies: what was your experience like? Was it as bad as the consensus makes out? Has anyone had a positive experience? If you have tried them, would you do so again? Would you recommend this class of drugs to anyone who might be curious/might want to tick all the boxes?

Nutmeg was awful. I'll go into my experience later if this the war gathers any interest but it seems that there is an almost unanimous agreement that the deliriant class is best avoided even by hardcore users who want to see it all.
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I just had to turn the light on after reading this. I took around 6 to 8 benadryl 10 to 12 years ago when meth was still pretty strong and I had nothing to help me sleep. It induced some terrible hallucinations. Not to mention I was in that paranoid state of mind that the meth back then produced. It was not pleasant. I’m gonna leave the lights on until I put my phone down tonight lol.
 
rhs433 said:
I just had to turn the light on after reading this. I took around 6 to 8 benadryl 10 to 12 years ago when meth was still pretty strong and I had nothing to help me sleep. It induced some terrible hallucinations. Not to mention I was in that paranoid state of mind that the meth back then produced. It was not pleasant. I’m gonna leave the lights on until I put my phone down tonight lol.
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That sounds awful man. Sorry for triggering what seems like a pretty nasty and traumatic memory. I've been there dude. Currently been sleeping with a kind of "night light" and dealing with hideous nightmares. Trauma is a motherfucker...

Hope you are well.
 
The Holy Quadruplty said:
I grew up in a city that's connected to one of the city's Charles Mansion grew up in being McMechen, WV.

I have also been into the house that he lived in..👀
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Dude you can't leave me hanging with that. Sorry to bump an old thread but this caught my eye.

I have on a 3 hour video essay about Manson which is mostly examining the claims made in Tom O'Neill's book on Manson, titled 'Chaos' - worth a read for anyone interested in da Manson rabbit hole.

Got any stories bro? That post was a bit of a tease!

Apologies if I've already replied to this lol
 
Snacktion_Jackson said:
This thread is almost certainly long since dead, but back in maybe...1999 I was bored out of my mind, and couldn't find any drugs or fun things to do with my time so I thought...hey...the local botanical garden had a whole bunch of angel trumpets. I thought, alright, I gotta' be safe so i'll only take 3 flowers. I took 3 angel trumpets, blended them up and simmered them down to about 8oz of drink. I drank it down and the hell of it was it was delicious! So...after maybe 1-2 hours, every muscle in my body cramped...heart, lungs, everything. I was certain I was going to die. A little after that I found myself at a friends house...no idea how I got there. I kept lighting up cigarettes, taking a puff, flicking the ash, then trying to find where my cigarette went (I wasn't smoking any). There was a gap in time, and I was standing on the street with more of my friends (they came out to keep me alive, God bless 'em). One of my friends turned into a ficus tree and all the while massive waves were rolling in on the street. It looked like I could surf the middle of the road. Everything I tried to say to my friends was garbled (so I was told). It was 100% like dreaming while you are awake. At some point my friends drove to get a whole bunch of alcohol so they could deal with my bullshit. They left me in the car (which I was driving from the passenger seat) and when they came back I was gone. I am told I was talking some homeless guy's ear off and scaring him. I have no memory of that. At some point I ended up at my house with my friends waking my dad up at 4:00a and told them what was going on. My dad wanted to pump my stomach but by that time I could almost talk and be understood. I woke up the next morning and have been spending the rest of my life apologizing to my friends and family, and it never feels like enough.

So.....

Deliriants...

DON'T

Worst experience of my life, my friend's lives, and my parents lives.
Imagine a nightmare with REAL consequences that you can't wake up from.

None of that was fun, it was all terrifying, and it imposed way way way too much on my loved ones.

The fact that they still speak to me attests to the quality of friends I have.

Anyone considering this should just drink or something...seriously it is NOT worth it. If I didn't have good friends, I'd be dead.
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That was a powerful story - thank you for sharing. It is good to know that you had decent friends around you as you were going through that. Although this does make me wonder about what happens to people who experiment with these weird substances without having people around to look after them.
 
When I tried datura for the first time (out of two) I lived with other men one of whom had been addicted to heroine, and he said he actually preferred deliriants over psychedelics, even through we were using a lot of homegrown magic mushrooms at that time.

The other man -who said he had stolen car radios before we met to fuel his coke addiction- said he had been blind for two weeks after using datura (when I got my first datura from them).

I am still interested about smoking a leaf or a flower in a joint, but I live with my elderly mother, who is never away for very long, and I don't want to do it around her and neither do I want to be coming down here.

She just bought me coffee in bed. (but likely no datura in it).
 
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It's possible to have somehow enjoyable experience on datura. Main factor is dosing - most people take too much and have unpleasant, terrifiying time.
However, imo it's not worth the effort.
 
pharaoh said:
Nutmeg was awful.
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Nutmeg has nothing anti-cholinergic imo.

The volatile essential oil terpenoids are pro-cholinergic and have other psychoactive effects. Including allylbenzenes which can be psychedelic in some circumstances (myrstricin, elemicin, safrole and others).

The non-volatile fat is mainly Trimyristin which causes anxiety.
Nutmeg contains a large quantity of trimyristin. Trimyristin is a saturated fat. It's not found in the essential oil of nutmeg but is present in nutmeg butter in large quantities.

Trimyristin contributes to the sedative effects of whole nutmeg.[5] Trimyristin was also shown to have anxiogenic (anxiety inducing) effects in mice.[5]
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The water-soluble things in nutmeg have pro-cannabinoid effects (think THC).

This pretty much explains why people who don't prepare their nutmeg properly have issues and assume that it's a deliriant.

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My question is to those who have taken deliriants, especially datura or scopolamine powder...
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The smartest way to use Datura is to combine it with a pro-cholinergic item like scopoletin. Otherwise, well, it's not very wise.

Datura stramonium seeds are used medicinally for various purposes, we're talking 1 to 3 small seeds nothing more.
 
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