Thelabtwat
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(Datura-inoxia / 12 seeds 1 leaf 2 petals) First time. Drinking from the devils cup
(Datura / 12 seeds, 1 leaf, 2 petals) First time. Drinking from the devils cup.
Around 2 years ago I was experimenting a great deal with lesser known trips and “tribal” trips. Id tried and loved Ayahuasca, even almost enjoyed ibogabine even though it was an eye opener to how bad a person I had been! So when offered to try another lesser known drug I jumped at the chance! My best friend M (who the vast majority of my future trip reports will feature) had tried Datura intoxica a few weeks previous to my first experience. And this is the last time I go against his advice! “Don’t try that jimson weed shit Loz, its terrifying and fucks you up, it’s well named devils apple dude. I’m never fucking with deleriants again!” now usually id listen to M, but I was treating Datura as a psychedelic, and I knew he only liked his big 3 (DMT Psilocybin and LSD). Now let me clear this up for any inexperienced psychonaut, deleriants and true psychedelics are very different things! The following experience was probably the worst hours of my life, and I have had many many bad trips in my time!
T-15m
Preparing the Datura. I took 12 seeds and crushed them to a fine powder in a ceramic pestle and mortar, this powder was then placed in a paper wrap to take at my convenience. I then prepared the brew in the mortar pertaining to 1 leaf and 2 petals mixed with a little cinnamon, ginger and honey with a little lime zest crushed together to a fine paste. I then placed this paste carefully into a wooden bowl id picked up in Venezuela, the bowl has a little significance to me as I was actually given it while travelling (with M of course) used to prepare Yopo. I poured hot water on top of the paste and stirred slowly until fully infused. The smell was reminiscent of chai tea; the taste however, was not!
T
After the brew had properly infused I drank from the bowl, the taste was at first quite pleasant, the honey lime ginger and cinnamon came through in the brew very well. But like a flavour sledgehammer, the Datura came through. Horribly bitter! Such a truly unpleasant taste, thankfully the honey seemed to come back through and masque it slightly. Time for the seeds. Id been advised to eat the powdered seeds dry, but that was as I found out simply impossible! The horrendous taste was only overshadowed by the unusual feeling in my mouth, like trying to swallow dry oatmeal, but oatmeal with some savage occultist poison. I washed the powder down with peach flavoured water, it didn’t help much.
T+5m
There is an uncomfortable burning sensation in my abdomen, like id eaten hot chillies. Other than that no effect at all, save for maybe the god awful taste that won’t budge. And a dry mouth to boot.
T+45m
I feel a little unusual. Definitely unwell at this point, my bones ached, like id been beaten up a few days before and the afterglow was still kicking my ass! I went to the bathroom to pee, after I stood up at the basin and washed my hands, I decided to freshen my face in cold water, I felt hot. The first sign of the drugs effect was noticeable. My pupils had blown, my eyes are usually very light ice blue, and now they were black! Like that of a shark, just all pupil and no iris at all! I did notice however they were almost sparkling, very very bright.
T+1H
I feel very ill now! Shaking and sweating all over, like I had been poisoned. The last time I felt this bad I had accidentally ingested a poisonous mushroom thinking it to be a liberty cap. I felt sick but could not vomit, I felt shaky again my full body ached. I told M my sitter how I felt, fearing id taken an overdose at first. “That’s normal darling, you’ll be ok, just ride it out, ill keep an eye on you and if this gets too bad ill take you straight to hospital k?” I decide to lay down with my head on Ms lap, as he gently stroked my hair closed my eyes for some time.
T+1:30
I feel very light headed, a little floaty like ketamine maybe. The feeling of intoxication is unmistakable, like being TOO drunk, that 70cl of vodka and 4 glasses of wine feeling drunk. At around this time my vision had become very hazy, I couldn’t read anything or focus properly, in retrospect this was probably due to the pupil dilation from atropine not intoxication. Still feel like I've been poisoned but the sickness is fading a little, and I was still aching.
T+3:00?
Nothing remarkable happened for the hour or so I remember feeling drunk. There was some CEV, that surprised me a little, I don’t really remember the form exactly but I do vaguely remember some CEV, or maybe it was a dream of sorts, I’m unsure to this day. Looking around the room I had powerful peripheral OEVs, black shadows, moving quickly and taking almost humanoid forms. The OEVs morphed slowly into demonic forms, frightening apparitions that I couldn’t focus on, I felt very dissociated too, I almost don’t feel comfortable writing about it in the first person, it almost felt like being shown a film reel of someone’s nightmare. But a film reel with no discernable chronology, very odd indeed!
T+??
The frightening peripherals are almost a fond memory later in the trip! Now it’s a full bore terrifying hell ride! The demonic shapes before me are morphing to vast looming beasts, a feeling of malevolence and dread filled me! This drug is a true deleriant. Usually even during a strong hallucination I can separate the trip from reality quite well, on Datura I found it impossible to differentiate the 2! In all honesty I found it impossible to recognise anything around me, even myself, my own form, my own species even! The demonic form stood tall and menacing in front of me, looking around the room I found myself at the bottom of a deep chasm. The walls crawled with flames of green and purple, the floor was spotted in blood . This was like a vivid and terrifying nightmare, the kind you really believe is true, the visions where 100% convincing. The last portion of this part of the trip I really remember was huge metallic gnashing teeth inches from my face and a growling noise like nothing I have heard before or since, a mix between a lions roar and the noises of a pig being attacked by a savage dog, I was trying in vain to resist the bite and to push this monster away. This was a truly terrifying experience; it still keeps me awake at night sometimes.
T+??
After blacking out I awoke to darkness, the heat rising around my ankles was getting stronger and stronger with every second that passed. Through the darkness I saw a single spot of brilliant light, an unclear auditory distortion was also present. I saw a girl, blonde hair, about 5’9, blue jeans, football shirt. This girl I realised, was in fact me! I don’t know if anyone reading this has ever had a hallucination so strong that they had an outer body experience, but this was my first, and take it from me it’s a very unusual experience. I honestly thought that I may have died, although the reason behind my death was unclear, I had forgotten ever taking Datura. Watching myself walk towards this light, I soon realise it is a mirror, or maybe a window, I see myself in the other side. It wasn’t me in the traditional sense, a distorted me, a me that I didn’t like too much! Her face was scarred and bleeding, she was screaming and trying to rip off the skin and screaming “you f***ing did this to me!” again, a terrifying experience. I broke the light/mirror/window. Let me tell you for that screaming vision to end felt like breaking out of a window in hell. I climbed through the window into a large inverted dome, like a cathedral had been flipped upside down. The whole room I was standing in was covered and decorated in bones, the walls where sticky with blood, and as I looked down I saw scenes of truly sickening violence being perpetrated to and by my loved ones. Like everyone I had ever met was in there with me and they’d all gone mad! The memory of the rest of this vision are very hazy, I just wish I could articulate what I saw, because no one would ever use jimson weed again.
T+??
After another blackout, more darkness. This was the most benign vision I had on Datura. A blue star floated around, not a star like a night time star. A nautical star, such brilliant blue it hurt my eyes to look at it! I followed the star for what felt like an eternity. I had the feeling like I was crawling under a large net that was too heavy for me to stand up. The star brought me up an ancient stone staircase, like something from a fantasy movie. Suddenly the stairs started crumbling and I scrambled to the top. I was now trapped on top of a stone pillar, looking down into the seemingly endless inky water that had manifested I decide to jump for it. And that is when I blacked out again.
T+3D
The first clear memory after my Datura trip was 3 days later. My vision was very blurred and I could only really perceive shapes. Reading was impossible as was reading the time. I felt a lump next to me in the bed. It took what seemed like hours to focus on it. “Thank Christ!” I thought. I could see Ms back tattoo. He’d stayed with me through the full experience and guided me in the days to come. My vision and psyche returned after about 5 days. M told me a week later how I was acting. Heres a word from him…
Dude you fell asleep at first then when you woke up loz wasn’t there anymore! Youd changed and looked like you where in a f***ing trance! I tried to bring you around but you didn’t respond to me at all. Didn’t take long for you to stand up and start talking utter nonsense. I tried to speak to you but you only really turned round to shout at me and attack me. Then you sat yourself on the sofa and tried to swallow a f***ing sock! I pulled it out of your mouth and you fell asleep again. When you got up you started doing really strange sh**, like chewing on the arm of the chair and every time I pulled you away you bit me! You where snarling like an animal. After a few hours of acting psycho you tore your shirt off, like literally. Then the same story for your bra pants everything till you where totally naked. You started running around like that like a mad woman! After you managed to get into the garden you ran away from me and started eating grass and sh**. Thank f*** the gate was locked or I may have lost you! I managed to get you back inside and you continued for a few hours doing strange sh**. At one point you started licking your own wrists and forearms and trying to put things inside you dude. For the first 2 days i had to feed you dress you give you water. Literally down to wipe your ass man you couldn’t have gone to the bathroom alone. Loz please promise never to take that god awful sh** again!
Not many friends would do what M did. I mean who’s willing to wipe there mates arse? After my experiences with devils apple, jimson weed, Datura whatever you want to call it, I would never advise taking it. It’s a hard-core dissociative deleriant that takes control of your body and mind for days on end. It made me attack my best friend, strip naked, eat grass and attempt to push various objects into places a girl should be a little more selective about what she pushes there! This is a dangerous poisonous botanical and should be treat as such, a poison, not a worthwhile valuable drug. Shulgin rating scale? That simply doesn’t apply here. If it was a measure of how immersive and strong the experience is it would need a new scale. The first +++++. But it’s horrendous and not an experience I shall be repeating ever again. M, I’ll keep that promise to you and never drink from the devils cup again. Too scary! I honestly believe anyone who tells others to try Datura has obviously never tried it. My first trip, and my last. I even keep a Datura intoxica plant in my greenhouse now, as a kind of memento mortis to the worst trip of my life. I just hope others heed my warning.
Ps. My apologies for lack of chronology during this report and for missing sections. It’s impossible for me to know. Anyone whos taken it will know what I mean! I included my most vivid visions in the report but had literally hundreds of smaller ones that either aren’t worth a mention or are too hazy to remember accurately
(Datura / 12 seeds, 1 leaf, 2 petals) First time. Drinking from the devils cup.
Around 2 years ago I was experimenting a great deal with lesser known trips and “tribal” trips. Id tried and loved Ayahuasca, even almost enjoyed ibogabine even though it was an eye opener to how bad a person I had been! So when offered to try another lesser known drug I jumped at the chance! My best friend M (who the vast majority of my future trip reports will feature) had tried Datura intoxica a few weeks previous to my first experience. And this is the last time I go against his advice! “Don’t try that jimson weed shit Loz, its terrifying and fucks you up, it’s well named devils apple dude. I’m never fucking with deleriants again!” now usually id listen to M, but I was treating Datura as a psychedelic, and I knew he only liked his big 3 (DMT Psilocybin and LSD). Now let me clear this up for any inexperienced psychonaut, deleriants and true psychedelics are very different things! The following experience was probably the worst hours of my life, and I have had many many bad trips in my time!
T-15m
Preparing the Datura. I took 12 seeds and crushed them to a fine powder in a ceramic pestle and mortar, this powder was then placed in a paper wrap to take at my convenience. I then prepared the brew in the mortar pertaining to 1 leaf and 2 petals mixed with a little cinnamon, ginger and honey with a little lime zest crushed together to a fine paste. I then placed this paste carefully into a wooden bowl id picked up in Venezuela, the bowl has a little significance to me as I was actually given it while travelling (with M of course) used to prepare Yopo. I poured hot water on top of the paste and stirred slowly until fully infused. The smell was reminiscent of chai tea; the taste however, was not!
T
After the brew had properly infused I drank from the bowl, the taste was at first quite pleasant, the honey lime ginger and cinnamon came through in the brew very well. But like a flavour sledgehammer, the Datura came through. Horribly bitter! Such a truly unpleasant taste, thankfully the honey seemed to come back through and masque it slightly. Time for the seeds. Id been advised to eat the powdered seeds dry, but that was as I found out simply impossible! The horrendous taste was only overshadowed by the unusual feeling in my mouth, like trying to swallow dry oatmeal, but oatmeal with some savage occultist poison. I washed the powder down with peach flavoured water, it didn’t help much.
T+5m
There is an uncomfortable burning sensation in my abdomen, like id eaten hot chillies. Other than that no effect at all, save for maybe the god awful taste that won’t budge. And a dry mouth to boot.
T+45m
I feel a little unusual. Definitely unwell at this point, my bones ached, like id been beaten up a few days before and the afterglow was still kicking my ass! I went to the bathroom to pee, after I stood up at the basin and washed my hands, I decided to freshen my face in cold water, I felt hot. The first sign of the drugs effect was noticeable. My pupils had blown, my eyes are usually very light ice blue, and now they were black! Like that of a shark, just all pupil and no iris at all! I did notice however they were almost sparkling, very very bright.
T+1H
I feel very ill now! Shaking and sweating all over, like I had been poisoned. The last time I felt this bad I had accidentally ingested a poisonous mushroom thinking it to be a liberty cap. I felt sick but could not vomit, I felt shaky again my full body ached. I told M my sitter how I felt, fearing id taken an overdose at first. “That’s normal darling, you’ll be ok, just ride it out, ill keep an eye on you and if this gets too bad ill take you straight to hospital k?” I decide to lay down with my head on Ms lap, as he gently stroked my hair closed my eyes for some time.
T+1:30
I feel very light headed, a little floaty like ketamine maybe. The feeling of intoxication is unmistakable, like being TOO drunk, that 70cl of vodka and 4 glasses of wine feeling drunk. At around this time my vision had become very hazy, I couldn’t read anything or focus properly, in retrospect this was probably due to the pupil dilation from atropine not intoxication. Still feel like I've been poisoned but the sickness is fading a little, and I was still aching.
T+3:00?
Nothing remarkable happened for the hour or so I remember feeling drunk. There was some CEV, that surprised me a little, I don’t really remember the form exactly but I do vaguely remember some CEV, or maybe it was a dream of sorts, I’m unsure to this day. Looking around the room I had powerful peripheral OEVs, black shadows, moving quickly and taking almost humanoid forms. The OEVs morphed slowly into demonic forms, frightening apparitions that I couldn’t focus on, I felt very dissociated too, I almost don’t feel comfortable writing about it in the first person, it almost felt like being shown a film reel of someone’s nightmare. But a film reel with no discernable chronology, very odd indeed!
T+??
The frightening peripherals are almost a fond memory later in the trip! Now it’s a full bore terrifying hell ride! The demonic shapes before me are morphing to vast looming beasts, a feeling of malevolence and dread filled me! This drug is a true deleriant. Usually even during a strong hallucination I can separate the trip from reality quite well, on Datura I found it impossible to differentiate the 2! In all honesty I found it impossible to recognise anything around me, even myself, my own form, my own species even! The demonic form stood tall and menacing in front of me, looking around the room I found myself at the bottom of a deep chasm. The walls crawled with flames of green and purple, the floor was spotted in blood . This was like a vivid and terrifying nightmare, the kind you really believe is true, the visions where 100% convincing. The last portion of this part of the trip I really remember was huge metallic gnashing teeth inches from my face and a growling noise like nothing I have heard before or since, a mix between a lions roar and the noises of a pig being attacked by a savage dog, I was trying in vain to resist the bite and to push this monster away. This was a truly terrifying experience; it still keeps me awake at night sometimes.
T+??
After blacking out I awoke to darkness, the heat rising around my ankles was getting stronger and stronger with every second that passed. Through the darkness I saw a single spot of brilliant light, an unclear auditory distortion was also present. I saw a girl, blonde hair, about 5’9, blue jeans, football shirt. This girl I realised, was in fact me! I don’t know if anyone reading this has ever had a hallucination so strong that they had an outer body experience, but this was my first, and take it from me it’s a very unusual experience. I honestly thought that I may have died, although the reason behind my death was unclear, I had forgotten ever taking Datura. Watching myself walk towards this light, I soon realise it is a mirror, or maybe a window, I see myself in the other side. It wasn’t me in the traditional sense, a distorted me, a me that I didn’t like too much! Her face was scarred and bleeding, she was screaming and trying to rip off the skin and screaming “you f***ing did this to me!” again, a terrifying experience. I broke the light/mirror/window. Let me tell you for that screaming vision to end felt like breaking out of a window in hell. I climbed through the window into a large inverted dome, like a cathedral had been flipped upside down. The whole room I was standing in was covered and decorated in bones, the walls where sticky with blood, and as I looked down I saw scenes of truly sickening violence being perpetrated to and by my loved ones. Like everyone I had ever met was in there with me and they’d all gone mad! The memory of the rest of this vision are very hazy, I just wish I could articulate what I saw, because no one would ever use jimson weed again.
T+??
After another blackout, more darkness. This was the most benign vision I had on Datura. A blue star floated around, not a star like a night time star. A nautical star, such brilliant blue it hurt my eyes to look at it! I followed the star for what felt like an eternity. I had the feeling like I was crawling under a large net that was too heavy for me to stand up. The star brought me up an ancient stone staircase, like something from a fantasy movie. Suddenly the stairs started crumbling and I scrambled to the top. I was now trapped on top of a stone pillar, looking down into the seemingly endless inky water that had manifested I decide to jump for it. And that is when I blacked out again.
T+3D
The first clear memory after my Datura trip was 3 days later. My vision was very blurred and I could only really perceive shapes. Reading was impossible as was reading the time. I felt a lump next to me in the bed. It took what seemed like hours to focus on it. “Thank Christ!” I thought. I could see Ms back tattoo. He’d stayed with me through the full experience and guided me in the days to come. My vision and psyche returned after about 5 days. M told me a week later how I was acting. Heres a word from him…
Dude you fell asleep at first then when you woke up loz wasn’t there anymore! Youd changed and looked like you where in a f***ing trance! I tried to bring you around but you didn’t respond to me at all. Didn’t take long for you to stand up and start talking utter nonsense. I tried to speak to you but you only really turned round to shout at me and attack me. Then you sat yourself on the sofa and tried to swallow a f***ing sock! I pulled it out of your mouth and you fell asleep again. When you got up you started doing really strange sh**, like chewing on the arm of the chair and every time I pulled you away you bit me! You where snarling like an animal. After a few hours of acting psycho you tore your shirt off, like literally. Then the same story for your bra pants everything till you where totally naked. You started running around like that like a mad woman! After you managed to get into the garden you ran away from me and started eating grass and sh**. Thank f*** the gate was locked or I may have lost you! I managed to get you back inside and you continued for a few hours doing strange sh**. At one point you started licking your own wrists and forearms and trying to put things inside you dude. For the first 2 days i had to feed you dress you give you water. Literally down to wipe your ass man you couldn’t have gone to the bathroom alone. Loz please promise never to take that god awful sh** again!
Not many friends would do what M did. I mean who’s willing to wipe there mates arse? After my experiences with devils apple, jimson weed, Datura whatever you want to call it, I would never advise taking it. It’s a hard-core dissociative deleriant that takes control of your body and mind for days on end. It made me attack my best friend, strip naked, eat grass and attempt to push various objects into places a girl should be a little more selective about what she pushes there! This is a dangerous poisonous botanical and should be treat as such, a poison, not a worthwhile valuable drug. Shulgin rating scale? That simply doesn’t apply here. If it was a measure of how immersive and strong the experience is it would need a new scale. The first +++++. But it’s horrendous and not an experience I shall be repeating ever again. M, I’ll keep that promise to you and never drink from the devils cup again. Too scary! I honestly believe anyone who tells others to try Datura has obviously never tried it. My first trip, and my last. I even keep a Datura intoxica plant in my greenhouse now, as a kind of memento mortis to the worst trip of my life. I just hope others heed my warning.
Ps. My apologies for lack of chronology during this report and for missing sections. It’s impossible for me to know. Anyone whos taken it will know what I mean! I included my most vivid visions in the report but had literally hundreds of smaller ones that either aren’t worth a mention or are too hazy to remember accurately
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[edit] Also: momento mori. Sorry. 