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Damn politics in NZ over meth..

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OK its a kiwi rant.. Anyone here starting to feel like each political party are trying to out do each other by sending pamphlets / flyers to neighbourhoods and their stance on how to get rid of "The NZ meth epidemic" to fool kiwis to vote for them? e.g. the jim anderton flyers circulating the country? Seems to me theyre all jumping on the anti-meth bandwagon.

jim anderton is offering big jail sentences to meth dealers AND meth users - FFS what a damn joke, its too late im afraid. NZ "land of the long white cloud" ahem should be "land of the long white meth cloud"

So as usual give meth dealers 5 - 10+ years and murderers / rapists 3 - 5 years LMAO @ govt

OH not to forget that stupid methamphetamine flyer circulating NZ too, with cheesy american propaganda that they probably searched google for "copy n pasting" tsk! theyve got an 0800 hotline on the flyer for people to contact police if *theres a house in the neighbourhood where cars and people are coming and going at all hours of the day..*
*all the curtains are closed* WTF this is just making joe bloggs paranoid, dobbing in whoever they think is a "meth addict / dealer"

It just reminds me back in the day when it was the same story except this time it was weed (dob in your neighbour if ya see a plant in the backyard or there are signs of extremely bright light)

and dob in the person you think is dealing E (of course when someone died in Auckland from taking a "mitsubishi", and thats cos she drank too much water - with respect to her folks of course)

n.b. NO im not high
 
When are the governments of he world going to realise that people like to get high, people aren't going to stop because "the man" said its not right, thats bullshit, I have the god given right to anything I god damn want to my own body, thats my right. So instead of trying to help control the recreational drug use society does, it makes it illegal and forces people to go underground, which basically makes it alot more dangerous. Instead of professionals in clean labs, you have dodgy chemists in backyard labs. The least they could do is decriminalise recreational drug use, or make it legal to do in your own home. I know for a fact that me in the santuary of my own home, am not hurting anyone by smoking a few cones, having a pill or tripping on shrooms. Its the ultimate irony when you consider the amount of people dieing in this country from tobacco related illnesses or alcohol related illnesses. But then again both them drugs are nice taxable drugs. I know I would be doing more damage to society smoking cigarettes in a public place, letting everyone who walked past cop a whiff of my second hand smoke, but hey, thats legal. If you combine all the deaths related to recreational drug use i.e ecstacy, mull, speed, heroin, LSD, shrooms etc etc, I bet it would be only a tiny fraction compared to the tobacco deaths alone. The government pretend they care about peoples lives, just as long it can make a buck out of it. You might get one ecstacy OD, then all of a sudden there is a massive crack down on the trade. But Phillip Morris can keep loading their tobacco up with nicotine and sell it to the entire country. Hell, its even against the law for me to grow tobacco plants in my backyard, the government dont get their share of the tax if I do that. When will the government ever learn?
 
Isnt drugs like BZP legal in NZ.

Be thankful you still have that choice. here in sydney its alcohol or the illegals.
 
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Indeed yes, BZP and TFMPP both remain legal and can be purchased from dairys all over the country in different blends. One particular dairy in K road (perhaps the most eccentric street in Auckland) is renowned for having feckloads of different varietys along with NOS chargers and balloons just sitting behind the counter. For me, this is very good policy. I think we dont have the god given right to take certain drugs, in particular ones such as P, because they often manifest in psychologically damaging ways that are then taken out upon teh community in unacceptably violent ways. Providing low harm legal alternatives has certainly made me not bother with P at all.

To agree entirely though, Jim Andertons policies on drugs are quite specifically some of the most dated, ultra conservative and regressive ideas I have ever seen. One would be a fool to vote for such a schmuck...but then...everybody on these forums from New Zealand probably knows preceisely who they are voting for eh, eh eh, trusty Greenies eh :D
 
Jim Andertons policies on drugs are quite specifically some of the most dated, ultra conservative and regressive ideas I have ever seen.
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Thats because his daughter died from a morphine OD in the late 80s in wanganui.

And yes! the greenies all the way ;) still cant forget when tzandor tested my pill for me @ a party in auckland, turned out to be a bunk pill too LOL...

n.b. Found it rather pleasing railing BZP pills (that stronger pill that theyve made, forgot name there are so many types), pleasant effect.

One particular dairy in K road (perhaps the most eccentric street in Auckland) is renowned for having feckloads of different varietys along with NOS chargers and balloons just sitting behind the counter. For me, this is very good policy.
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Haha that sounds like the same head shop chain that we have here in wellington, theyre open 24 / 7 selling meth pipes and boxes of NOS, BZP etc whatever legal that they can sell. Obviously they are making alot of $$$ from the amount of people that go to the head shop at all hours of the day...
 
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hehehe head shops...thats what they call pipe shops and such in Amsterdam too :D

If anybodys at all interested in BZP/TFMPP legal substitutes by the way, do not even think about going past [URL removed to comply with posting guidelines]

Make sure you read up first as TFMPP is a hallucinogenic, and BZP is a stimulant which when combined in a ratio of about 2:! has an affect described as similar to E w/o the love adn empathy. These pillsa are WAY stronger than Frenzy, charge, or even jax and bolts and at a R.R.P of 2 dollars a pill when bought in bulk (30+) you really cant go past these.

Do be aware of potential nasty side effects, in particular nausea at teh onset, and i most definitely dont reccomend taking on an empty stomach or when extremely tired (I had vivid hallucinations alogn with about 10 hours of nausea and insomnia), and dont drop more than 3, unless your experienced.

http://www.richardgoode.com/drugs/piperazines/ for info on legality and legislation developments. Note: These are NOT legal in Australia, and from the research I did, seemed to be a schedule A drug (not confirmed but im a law student and thats the best I could do)

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/tfmpp/tfmpp_article1.shtml here for potential side effects and detailed information on teh affects.

Also check out the Erowid piperazine vaults in general. Nice, cheap, legal alternative for all ya kiwis out there.

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Is this thread about the meth problem in NZ or piperazines (because the thread title belies the content at this point).

BigTrancer :)
 
You really can't blaim any government or political party for bringing to the public's attention the dangers, health-risks, addiction potential or overall blight drugs like Methamphetamine can inflict.

Even though, alot of us are sick to death of all the media-hype and anti-drug propaganda Governments, the media and Health organisations tend to bring forth to the populace. You really can't say it's not a good thing warning "what could happen" to anyone (emphasize *COULD*) if they were to abuse a drug that is as physically, not to mention mentally debilitating to humans, as what Methamphetamine is (not to mention many others).

It's not a good thing... however, when information has been fabricated or is totally innacurate regarding these issues.

But a little warning here and there doesn't hurt anyone.
 
But... thinking about what person said about those hefty jail sentences given to drug dealers in comparison to those in-human, filthy, scumbag rapists that only get time like 3 years in prison. This really makes me sick to my stomach.

In my opinion... a rapist or pedophile, yes SHOULD get time for the rest of his/her life... and in that time get constantly tortured (not to the point they will die from torture) but just enough to make them live a full life through torture (I dunno, like... hiring surgeons to fillet, very thin slices off the rapist/pedophile's flesh, every single day of their miserable life... Just so they know they have to live all the way through this, much like the victims have to.)

I seriously don't think it's "right" that dealers get 10+ years time... for dealing, in which they have not directly killed someone intentionally. To make this "fair" from those drug dealers that are convicted and sent to prison for such amounts of time... then, why can't liquor or tobacco suppliers get the same amount of time as what drug-dealers do. (this only seems fair.)

Anyways... shit!! Sorry for getting a little off-topic there. But, these jail sentences really do get to me and I had to just get it all off my chest. (I suppose it's kinda relevant.) Sorry.
 
meth maybe a problem, but lengthy jail sentances wont fix anything, heck even death sentances in china dont spot people dealing/doing drugs!

the key is education, and regulation :)
 
I used to live in NZ (wellington and rotorua) that was like 2 years ago, seems to have changed since, then there was a few MPs supporting drugs, well dope anyway, was pretty cool, but dob in any house that u suspect of dealing meth...

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the key is education, and regulation
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Absolutely! you hit the mark right there mate!

I guess the reason they will put on heavy jail time to meth users
is so they can rat in there dealers to get off the charge, a no win
situation. Yes it is a problem but wouldnt you think that making scrare
tactics and negativity is just going to make people want it more than
not want it at all? Hell when that girl died after taking a "mitsi" I remember friends and family asking me where to score some pills!? lol ->peace


murderers / rapists -> 3 years (make it 2 years on good behaviour)

meth dealers + users -> 5 - 10+ years (3 years on good behaviour)

verdict? its best to go shoot someone than it is to shoot meth...

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n.b. Oops sorry guyz! forgot!
 
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I did not say that longer jail sentences are the answer, I acknowledged that meth is a problem and that we should do something about it, that is all.
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Chubba75, yeh i know i wasnt intentionally pointing my comment at you, but now that i read but it sorta does look like it, soz :)

what i was really trying to say was, i dont think that the government is going about solving the "problem" correctly, and i dont even think its that much of a problem in comparison to many other issues in society.
 
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