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Daily DXM use

Personally I hate DXM but I like ketamine a lot and have abused it, they have many things in common. At first there is not really a track record yet and you see mostly the interesting and positive effects it can have and choose to forget about the negatives. Call it a honeymoon. In that period you have the magic, or at least mostly... and there appears to be no (immediate) problem in doing it or even overdoing it.
Though it seems that in just 2 weeks you have proven just how easily you can abuse DXM. Take that as an example for the future, you cannot sustain that - it will impair your life in different ways doing this or just about any other drug too often (even if a lot of people get away with daily cannabis smoking and still be able to work a job etc).

There maybe some worthwhile or even invaluable things you can get from these experiences but the more you do it the less such things seem to help you and the more they hold you back.

Try your best to keep it at like once every 2-3 weeks max? is my advice. Preferably less often but as long as you are excited about it that may not be realistic, so I propose a frequency that at least you might be able to agree with. I have experience talking from an HR point of view (like giving truthful advice at parties supported by a peer program - gov. financed) and also from a first-hand experiential point of view since I have tried using a number of different drugs too often at different times. Eventually with every one of them I more or less came to terms but if I don't keep an eye on it every so often I can go on a binge or something or other. Start keeping an eye on yourself way way before things start becoming a problem and then you HAVE to.
 
Using anything every single day is not a good idea but dissociatives will make you more and more distant from reality the longer you take them and the more often you take them. Same goes for any drug that messes with your brain and yourperception on life.
 
Op this thread is bad and you should feel bad.. It seems you want to disregard the anecdotal so at the risk of wasting my breath (er, fingers that is); I know a guy personally who has seen some very dark times resulting from his DXM abuse. He used to be very different from how he is now.. He's become incredibly reclusive, boring and drab when he is around... Apparently forgotten all aspects of personal hygiene and broke up with his gf/shows no interest in sex. This is where his personality went after using DXM daily, from being a cool, funny, charismatic individual to that.

Don't be fucking dumb.
 
ya that shits hell of bad for you one time i did it and i couldn't walk strait for like two days after and my hart felt like it was going to come out of my chest. and my eyes where doing that shit that they do on excasty where they flutter i thought i was diein.
 
QuasiModo said:
Op this thread is bad and you should feel bad.. It seems you want to disregard the anecdotal so at the risk of wasting my breath (er, fingers that is); I know a guy personally who has seen some very dark times resulting from his DXM abuse. He used to be very different from how he is now.. He's become incredibly reclusive, boring and drab when he is around... Apparently forgotten all aspects of personal hygiene and broke up with his gf/shows no interest in sex. This is where his personality went after using DXM daily, from being a cool, funny, charismatic individual to that.

Don't be fucking dumb.
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I'm not looking to disregard anecdotal evidence, as long as you provide some background detail & context, or otherwise say anything beyond vague platitudes or curt truisms.
Posting "don't do this shit man it's bad for you. You'll end up a stupid buzzkill like that one guy" is fine - I appreciate the input - but it doesn't help much.

PS - this thread isn't "bad". I may be an idiot for abusing DXM, but this topic may actually be of some use to others. Don't knock it.

I'd be happy to hear more about your friend, if you'd care to share.

(I'm through with DXM by the way; I'm not trying to create further discussion in order to rationalize continued misuse of it.)
 
ya that shits hell of bad for you one time i did it and i couldn't walk strait for like two days after and my hart felt like it was going to come out of my chest. and my eyes where doing that shit that they do on excasty where they flutter i thought i was diein.
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If it lasted 2 days you're probably enzyme deficient, or if you were able to use it fine previously, taking something that inhibited CYP2D6.


You're a more willfull man than I oxmo, for reasons of nausea I never abused DXM, but I was using 4-meo-pcp every weekends for months and didn't correlate my depersonalization/derealization and general psychological deterioration to it till after I stopped using it for other reasons. And the only reason I didn't get back into that use (for any length of time, had a few mini-binges) later was 'cause the shit was contaminated and it majorly exacerbated my colon inflammation and fucked up my stomach (to the point of causing bleeding). Next time I get I decent supply of a decent dissociative, I'm gonna go right back into it probably. Haha, the appeal they have to me is quite strong...
 
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Well the things i took was dxm pills it was strait dxm nothing else ive done the drinking a bottle of vicks before and was fine just sick the next day Nashua and puking but the way i felt off them pills was like no other probably the worst experience i ever had with drugs and ive done alot of shit i think i overdid it with the pills idk i just think theres to much of a down side to fucking with that shit
 
oxmo said:
I'm not looking to disregard anecdotal evidence, as long as you provide some background detail & context, or otherwise say anything beyond vague platitudes or curt truisms.
Posting "don't do this shit man it's bad for you. You'll end up a stupid buzzkill like that one guy" is fine - I appreciate the input - but it doesn't help much.

PS - this thread isn't "bad". I may be an idiot for abusing DXM, but this topic may actually be of some use to others. Don't knock it.

I'd be happy to hear more about your friend, if you'd care to share.

(I'm through with DXM by the way; I'm not trying to create further discussion in order to rationalize continued misuse of it.)
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Well in that case I will tell you more.. He used to be really fucking cool, lead singer of a local doom metal band, generally just a badass who didn't give a fuck about what others thought of him. He'd be that guy at the punk show afterparty who would get smashed drunk act a fool and still have all the bitches slarving his dode. He tried acid once and apparently it was bunk, then he started guzzling tussin. I never heard much from or about him after a while until I saw him and a close mutual friend. Once he was gone the friend filled me in, he dropped all his friends, girlfriend, quit the band, basically just became a big stinky faggot. Most of what I know now is second hand cuz I'm not gonna be the guy to go over to his house and quiz him on how he's changed. Its just apparent. The drug has had a huge negative impact on his personality and possibly his cognition. If someone's personality is any indication of their level of intelligence then his has declined dramatically. I don't think he has facebook but his myspce photo is him naked alone in his shower.... Doesnt show his dick but it just looks awful. He is in terrible shape, mentally and looks emaciated physically. He is well on his way to tripping into the grave, IMO. I think disassociatives/deleriants are dangerous and destructive drugs. The closest thing I have experience with is diphenhydramamine and that shit is scary.

Good job quitting. Its a smart move, there is no way this kind of behavior would be productive in the long run. If you want spiritual insights and help overcoming your depression/rationalizing your existence I highly recommend you go about the long, arduous process of acquiring some proper psychedelics. DXM is like a shortcut, psychedelics in my experience can hold real insight and give lasting reward to your state of mind.
 
Anticholinergics are not at all comparable to NMDA antagonists FYI. And rather than blaming the drug entirely (though I fully agree that abusing dissociatives can cause serious negative impacts on you, and is very bad for mental stability), you ought to wonder why the man felt the need to abuse the drugs in the first place, though from your unflattering description of him it's not surprising he had some issues that dissociation would ameliorate so long as it lasted..
 
QuasiModo said:
He'd be that guy at the punk show afterparty who would get smashed drunk act a fool and still have all the bitches slarving his dode.
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So just because he doesn't do this anymore, "the drug has had a huge impact on his personality and possibly his cognition."?

QuasiModo said:
If someone's personality is any indication of their level of intelligence then his has declined dramatically.
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And just how is personality (an utterly subjective concept anyhow) a measurement of someone's intellect? Going by what you said, you get all your information about him via another friend.

Not to say that heavy DXM use is healthy, but this is by no means any sort of good evidence for the potential dangers of dissociative abuse.
 
there have been ZERO specifics in this thread. dosages consist of "guzzlin" etc. if someone starts shooting heroin everyday, their friends that don't are probably think he really changed. also, getting smashed drunk and acting a fool all the time isnt good either.

some people use 800+ mg every day, and some people like me have treat themselves to a 4 oz bottle every once in a while. ive had 6 - 4oz bottles so far this semester (i keep the empties so i know how much im doing) and 2 were last fri and sun. just use it in moderation. i look at it like something i get to treat myself too every once in a while. im fine with no cognitive problems.
 
Ketamine has quite little to do with methoxetamine given the fact they're so close structurally...

Skipping nACh receptors affinities and some low opioid receptors affinites... DXM does act at PCP site (NMDA receptor) but with a very low affinity. It's also sigma-1 agonist and sigma-2 to a lesser extent. But besides that DXM also blocks 5-HT and NA transporters. It's not everything of course... That's why I find DXM to be a very dirty drug. If you wanted to get to an anesthetic state with DXM, you would probably suffer like hell afterwards. Reading about how people made it to NDE experiences with DXM makes me nauseous. With ketamine it's very easy and, well, actually it is used as an anesthetic during surgeries. If DXM was clean (or at least DXO was), it would have some application in medicine. So far it's just proven it lowers need for morphine in postoperative pain. Firstly, it's a different story, secondly, ketamine does the same. Dissociatives have some analgesic properties on their own, be it due to some low affinity at opioid receptors (which I doubt is the cause) or NMDA receptor antagonist and/or LVGCC blocker.

It's dextrorphan that really does the part of a true dissociative. I mentioned somewhere (maybe even a few posts earlier in this thread, I don't really remember, there's been some talk on DXM and arylcyclohexanamines lately) that I had a chance to take it alone not counting on metabolism of dextromethorphan due to having purified dextro isomer of racemorphan after separation of levorphanol I was much more interested in (well, actually I wasn't interested in dextrorphan at all but w/e).
 
QuasiModo said:
Op this thread is bad and you should feel bad.. It seems you want to disregard the anecdotal so at the risk of wasting my breath (er, fingers that is); I know a guy personally who has seen some very dark times resulting from his DXM abuse. He used to be very different from how he is now.. He's become incredibly reclusive, boring and drab when he is around... Apparently forgotten all aspects of personal hygiene and broke up with his gf/shows no interest in sex. This is where his personality went after using DXM daily, from being a cool, funny, charismatic individual to that.

Don't be fucking dumb.
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Was that needed? I mean really man? Do we not all have our ups and downs? Who are you (or any of us) to judge? That said... Op, there is no real awnser her. It looks like you are done but please report back! It's best to stay on the safe side of this. Limit it to once every few weeks maybe?
 
Never Knows Best said:
Alternatively, one might read this as, "DXM is great for causing delusion" which is also true.

Tell me, how spiritually developed can one be if they are claiming their drug use/recreational persuits is superior to that of others? Should not spirituality be something that equalizes and connects us? It seems to me that such an opinion is one of alienation and hierarchy.
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Maybe I was unclear. I certainly don't mean to imply that my use is somehow more legitimate or "superior" to others. What I will say is that much of what is experienced in a sincere dissociative trip is directly applicable to spiritual growth. This is of course my personal opinion. It is, however, based on expensive experience. I only mean to suggest that there is a much more rewarding application of these kinds of drugs than strictly hedonistic. I don't for one moment discredit the value of a purely hedonistic drug experience, as I indulge in them all the time. As for my comments being borne of or resulting in alienation and containing a subtext of hierarchy - that is unintentional and certainly a counterproductive result, so if it is in fact the case I apologize.
 
I think I get where you're coming from a bit better now. I don't necessarily agree that there is such a thing as a "sincere" dissociative trip (that would imply there are also insincere ones, and I'm not sure what either would mean, so if you could elaborate I would appreciate it), nor do I believe in dichotomous hedonistic/developmental usage models either. I would also worry that in spite of the spiritual value these drugs may have, they also are extremely effective at causing delusion (I get more of the latter than the former) that is quite antithetical to spiritual progress. It's a risky endeavor to use drugs in such a manner is all I'm saying, though I suppose it's up to the individual user to determine whether or not the risks are worth the potential benefits.
 
Hey, man. I don't know much about DXM myself, only done it once and all. But I've known a few people who got into it pretty heavy, and their opinion on it now is almost unanimously negative. Doesn't happen to everyone, I know, but doing a mind-warping drug that often isn't really good from any perspective. If you really like it, that's cool. But everything loses it's allure after enough experience. What I'm saying is, do it less, and it'll be better, for longer. Moderation is the best thing you can learn with stuff like this. And hey if you like dissociative drugs, give Ketamine a try. It's a bit different, but I've read it's a bit healthier for your brain (saw it on the internet, so maybe ask someone who knows their shit, just to be sure). Be real careful though, it's very, very addictive for some people. On second thought, you probably shouldn't. Well, fuck, I don't know. Just sayin, do what you will but slow down a titch eh
 
personal experience with DXM abuse

Hey just wanted to throw my two cents in here. I'd like to share a few stories from my life. I'm not saying these things necessarily will happen to you if you do DXM or other dissociatives frequently, but I'd just like to share a couple of the possibilities that have happened to myself and my friends.

I came very close to losing my life on DXM once. One night a friend and I decided to take some DXM, I had the pure powder. I intended to weigh out 350mg for both of us to start out with. Somehow I ended up missing the decimal and weighed 3,500 mg each. I was on 2mg of xanex and had been doing psychedelics and dissociatives very frequently so somehow I didnt think it was strange that we had to take about seven capsules full of dxm. The only thing I remember from the come up was my friend saying are we gona be ok? And I just said yea we're just dissociated. My girlfriend was there, sober, and she says the next thing that happened is we started vomiting. Then we stopped being able to talk, then we couldnt get up. Soon I could only move my fingers, then I stopped moving entirely. My girlfriend says my body temperature went up very fast and my skin became red. My friend and I were totally blacked out for most of the night. Over the next day I started to come back into reality. My mood was manic and care free. It didn't seem to bother me that I had almost killed myself and my friend and had made my girlfriend go through such a terrifying experience. I didn't really come back to baseline for a week, and once the after glow wore off I fell into deep depression accompanied by terrible nightmares. The dreams were so bad that I would wake up hallucinating, one morning the light on my ceiling turned into a giant metal spider crawling twards me as I sat up screaming. This was the closest I have ever come to death and one of the lowest points in my life. I also want to add that other dissociatives can be just as problematic. Ketamine is an amazing drug and fortunately can't kill you like dxm, unless you in a bathtub! Although the time I spent doing ketamine every day were some of the saddest and most isolating days of my life. Same with methoxetamine to a lesser extent. Daily dissociation separates you from reality and everyone around you, you end up alone in a void. I've also had some discusting experiencing 80 lbs of nirtour out of tanks for days on end. Ew.

As for my friends, one came very close to death on dxm aswell. He had combined a large dxm dose with alcohol and was set to the hospital. His heart actualy physically stopped but luckly he went to the hospital and they were able to save his life. Another friend was doing dxm daily and started having alot of social problems and episodes of mood swings and psychosis. He ha dto go to a mental hospital for a few months. Other friends of mine have been even more addicted to ketamine that I, injecting k hole doses all day and all night sinking into scattered paranoia. If you don't believe these stories about how dissociatives can drive you completly insane just read about Jon Lilly.

I agree that dissociatives can open the mind up to some of the most amazing philosophical places, and can even be therapeutic if used correctly. Although I am still not sure how frequent a health and productive relationship with them would be, or if it's even worth it.
 
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