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Dad is blind... DMT?

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So I just seen my dad for the second time in my life.
I decided to start talking to some family members again after using some of these hallucinogens. Anyway, it turns out he went completely blind about 5 years ago. He thinks it's from "smoking dope". He asked me if I smoke weed and I said yeah.

So we made plans to have a beer and smoke a bowl one day and hang out like buddies.

All that is good and all.

But I'm wondering if I should see if he wants to try some DMT since he is blind.
Does anyone know of anyone or any studies that relate to ingesting DMT for blind people?
You guys think I should ask my dad if he wants to try it? He says he smokes bowls.
I guess I could ask him when I go hang out with him next time. :?

What do you guys think would happen?!
 
Yikes, the idea of doing psychedelics with my Dad just seems so fraught with unpredictable psycho-emotional perils, as well as possible physical issues for someone alot older than you, O young intrepid psychonaut ;) I couldn't imagine it being a good idea, but everyone's Dad and relationship will differ, as will every trip, so no tellin what will happen if you were to do it with him. How bout just start with smoking weed with him see how that goes, maybe ask him if he ever did psychedelics or what he knows about them, to start the discussion. Maybe not suggest trying really intense stuff like smoking dmt so soon... might sound too freaky to the "old" guy, haha.
 
Yeah, perhaps I can sound a bit obsessed when talking about drugs?!
I'll burn some doja with him a few times first and get back to you guys on this one.

Another interesting subject no doubt. I'm really interested to know what happens.

Interesting just to be talking to my dad again after not seeing him for 10 years and then 19 before that. Last time I saw him in person, his eyes still worked.

I Think for some reason he could benefit from DMT, but then again I'm crazy and think everyone should have a few good hallucinogen experiences in their lifetime to help even them out.
I could be wrong, perhaps it's not for some people. I seem to come to crazy intense realizations, myself.

I'll report back on this later I guess.
Until then I thought about getting high tonight but perhaps I'll wait a while longer. lol
Peace out bluelighters. See ya in a few more days.

If he does say he will try it,
I won't tell him about elves or aliens or anything like that.
I'll tell him to tell me what he saw. See what he says.

I'm like super excited to try this, but it's like, not me.
I have no control over this experiment. lol. I'm going to have to ease in to it. You are right.
 
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Yeah I've always wondered if you stuffed a few tabs in a blind persons mouth what they might experience. I always figured it would be an insane amount of auditory stimulation as that would be heightened normally, but never ruled out the possibility of intense hallucination.
I would be really really interested to see some actual scientific study done on it.
 
I have no idea but I think your username is pretty ironic, eye_wide_open. :D

Actually I do have some considerations: it depends on the type of blindness I think. Whether it's since birth (in this case not) and whether it's actually a condition of the eye itself (I suspect this is true in this case but obviously not sure whatsoever) or if it is a neurological condition, one of the brain. Optical nerve of course falls a bit inbetween.

People who are blind since birth probably have a different way of mind-modelling the world. I think instead of seeing in their head they think in movements when it comes to orientation and proprioception. But people who turn blind after having seen have established a way of mapping the world in their mind visually and this can still be activated through active imagination or artificially with drugs I believe.

Consider this: brain activity is very similar when someone who is playing tennis is compared to someone who is imagining they are playing tennis. To the mind, it's all virtually the same (no pun intended).

If the brain is damaged and despite correctly functioning eyes visual data cannot anymore be processed or integrated and interpretated the ability to visually map the world is lost whether this is done by direct sensory stimulation or by imagination. Drugs probably won't help either in that case although of couse it depends on the extent of the damage. Often such damage is not pervasive and complete. And if there is one drug that bombards the visual imaginative core of the consciousness it is DMT.

So I think you would actually have a fair chance. But it should not be forgotten that DMT is one of the most powerful psychedelics in existence, think of the impact this may have on his life and on the oh so early / limited relationship you have with your father. I think it has the potential to destroy something fragile if he is entirely unprepared for an experience so heavy or it may bring you close together incredibly fast.

My advice is: don't rule it out but hold off for quite a while until you establish a relationship and bond with him, during that time check how his interest is in it. If of course to start with he believes when you tell him it's physically safe and not addictive, then you can together try to prepare for one day when you may try it together. If you do it, I'd go first if I were you, to lead the way. But before all, make sure you feel like you have a foundation that is steady enough that it can take a heavy 'beating' from the potentially huge impact. I'm thinking years, not weeks or months.

When the time comes, ensure a smoking method that employs metal meshing to allow proper evaporation of the DMT to make it doable for a blind man to do it with an effective smoking technique. You be the one to handle the lighter to make sure the DMT does not burn but only evaporates. Be a good and gentle guide, and be prepared for anything - especially vulnerability for the both of you.
 
I can't see DMT being beneficial in a single dose to someone who believes that smoking weed caused their blindness, it may sound blunt but there is some truth in there. I can't see the initial 'takeoff' leading to positive thoughts with that in his head.

Why not look into Mushrooms? There are articles/pieces of information online about people using low doses of mushrooms when blind and these people seeing colour and fractal patterns. I think something like that could be much more beneficial to a blind person, some laughter and refreshment for 6 hours rather than feeling like a rocket for 5 minutes with no clue what is happening.

Maybe after trying mushrooms then move onto DMT?
 
smoking weed caused their blindness

Nobody said smoking weed caused anyone's blindness.

Smoking "dope" did through. I would assume that is speed or something. He refers to it as some sort of chemical.

I'm am seriously misunderstood around here about as much as a hallucinogen is. Now I know how they feel. lol

I figure since dad used to do some sort of dopey chemicals and went blind, but now he only smokes weed and drinks beer, why not see if he'll go for some DMT and tell me what he sees.

I have no idea but I think your username is pretty ironic, eye_wide_open.

dude I promise you shit is way more than just ironic around here lately. lol.
Life is way too weird. Too many coincidences and I'm not even trying to find them now.
you guys would have to be as blind as my dad to not see it happening right in front of you by what I type happening to me. lol I promise bro things are crazy. I haven't even touched any drugs in a while and everything is still very prominent.

It's like the drugs had my subconscious thinking I needed to meet long last family.
So I did.
Now I figure out he's been blind for a while and I have something that might make him see in some form or another again. lol

Just a thought really. I thought I'd come trip you guys out with this question.
It appears I good at trippin' people out. =P
I really don't mean to get all weird on you guys all the time.
 
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If he does say he will try it,
I won't tell him about elves or aliens or anything like that.
I'll tell him to tell me what he saw. See what he says.

I'm like super excited to try this, but it's like, not me.
I have no control over this experiment. lol. I'm going to have to ease in to it. You are right.

Excuse me if this sounds harsh, but your Dad is not a lab rat, and feeding him extremely powerful psychedelic drugs is not a DIY lab experiment. I think you need to give some serious thought as to why you're doing this and what you would like to accomplish. At the very least, if you are going to do this, spend some time explaining to him exactly what's going to happen. The important thing isn't maintaining the integrity of your "experiment" by not telling him too much; the important thing is your Dad.
 
I would NOT advise giving him DMT for his first psychedelic. Unless he has "been around the block" with psych's, you should see if he would like to start with something like a gram of mushies first. But I am very interested in hearing from a blind person, what the psychedelic experience is like.
 
Nobody said smoking weed caused anyone's blindness.

Smoking "dope" did through. I would assume that is speed or something. He refers to it as some sort of chemical.

I'm am seriously misunderstood around here about as much as a hallucinogen is. Now I know how they feel. lol

I figure since dad used to do some sort of dopey chemicals and went blind, but now he only smokes weed and drinks beer, why not see if he'll go for some DMT and tell me what he sees.



dude I promise you shit is way more than just ironic around here lately. lol.
Life is way too weird. Too many coincidences and I'm not even trying to find them now.
you guys would have to be as blind as my dad to not see it happening right in front of you by what I type happening to me. lol I promise bro things are crazy. I haven't even touched any drugs in a while and everything is still very prominent.

It's like the drugs had my subconscious thinking I needed to meet long last family.
So I did.
Now I figure out he's been blind for a while and I have something that might make him see in some form or another again. lol

Just a thought really. I thought I'd come trip you guys out with this question.
It appears I good at trippin' people out. =P
I really don't mean to get all weird on you guys all the time.

You should read into the Jungian idea of "synchronicity." Meaningful coincidences, basically. I think you'll find it applicable to what you've been experiencing :).
 
From the sounds of it DMT wouldn't be his first psychedelic. If the guy has done enough drugs to go blind, I wouldn't doubt he's had some sort of trippy experience in his day.
I have no real want to do DMT with my dad either. I understand he is not a lab rat.
I never said I wanted to do it WITH him.
Just wondering what the hell would happen if I gave him some.
I don't honestly think he'd be all that against it, is why I ask.
You guys are just being funky about it now. lol
Chase me all over the forum and such. Erase my posts related to your topics that you don't like. 8) (but leave everyone elses)

I get the hint.

My input here does nothing for any of you.
You guys say I am the one who is far out?
How can you guys say that to me when it's obvious most of you are just skimming through what I wrote and adding input based on what you think you saw.

I thought this was a legitimate question I could possibly get results to one day.
I understand my dad is not a lab rat.
I didn't ask to give him MXE.
 
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I personally think it would be a very good experiment, somwere online there is a trip report of a blind woman taking mushrooms. I am very interested in this field as there is not a lot of research and it seems like there should be. If he goes along with this or you have more ideas or smething pm me. I am intrigued as to what would happen to blind / deaf people, if anyone has any trip reports or links for deaf people tripping? Increased visual stimulation or something?

Anyway good luck and get back to me as this is fascinating. Its clear you arent forcing him to try dmt as well, people are just being silly.
 
I think you should offer it in a way that is clearly not imposing or suggesting and then keep us updated.
 
The only way to offer without suggesting would be to say: I have it laying around but you can't have any.
 
Nobody said smoking weed caused anyone's blindness.

Smoking "dope" did through. I would assume that is speed or something. He refers to it as some sort of chemical.

I'm am seriously misunderstood around here about as much as a hallucinogen is. Now I know how they feel. lol

I figure since dad used to do some sort of dopey chemicals and went blind, but now he only smokes weed and drinks beer, why not see if he'll go for some DMT and tell me what he sees.

You appear to be misunderstood due to your lack of explanation. This is a global forum, 'dope' can be assumed to be many things, typically in the UK it is for either Weed or Heroin. Be more clear next time. :) And upon that note, I find it highly unlikely that either of those drugs caused blindness so it may be worth finding out more about the actual condition before suggesting DMT, but I don't wish to cause offence so don't consider it fact.

Even so, what I'm trying to explain is if someone believes that a drug has caused their blindness, surely that thought is something that lurks at the back of their mind when consuming drugs? Anxiety, even if minor, before a psychedelic trip for someone even experienced is common. Especially something like DMT, which as I'm sure you know initially feels like your head is blasting off to hyperspace. For many, that sort've feeling can be frightening at first and this is people with sight and awareness for something that is going on. I know that if I was in your dads position and I felt that initial 'click' and rush of the DMT in my brain and believed drugs caused my blindness I would go into panic. Thoughts that are irking at the back of the mind are known to reappear and influence trips as well so please consider this. I suggested mushrooms because they are much more mellow and easier to handle, they also last longer so much more can be gained from the experience - it will also still provide a rough answer to what you are interested in but more so for psychedelics as a whole rather than DMT and like I said there is nothing stopping you working your Dad up to DMT and that way the experience is likely to be much more rewarding and he will be able to give much better analysis/response to your questions afterwards as he will already be aware of similar effects due to mushrooms.

I know many people who have taken DMT once who aren't too experienced with drugs, they aren't able to tell you much about the experience apart from it was intense, scary at times. When I ask them to describe they are unable to, I'd expect a similar experience with a blind person - although I could be wrong! I'm only stating these things so that if you do end up doing it you can take as much as possible from it - after all it is fairly uncharted territory in articles.

Excuse me if this sounds harsh, but your Dad is not a lab rat, and feeding him extremely powerful psychedelic drugs is not a DIY lab experiment. I think you need to give some serious thought as to why you're doing this and what you would like to accomplish. At the very least, if you are going to do this, spend some time explaining to him exactly what's going to happen. The important thing isn't maintaining the integrity of your "experiment" by not telling him too much; the important thing is your Dad.

Although you've already explained this, I do have to say I agree with folding_space. From your post it appears your more so interested in initiating someone into DMT and seeing their reaction, mainly because they are your dad and blind. While it is a good experiment, you really need to think it through. You can only assume you wish to give your dad DMT by making a thread like this, otherwise could you not have just used the title 'Effects of DMT on a Blind Person'.

My input here does nothing for any of you.
You guys say I am the one who is far out?
How can you guys say that to me when it's obvious most of you are just skimming through what I wrote and adding input based on what you think you saw.

Stop overreacting, look at the start of my post to possibly understand why.

Hope this makes things more clearer, but it appears you don't really have any interest in it. But this sort've information is good for introducing anyone to psychedelics in my opinion.
 
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