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Dad gets life after cocaine kills infant
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KStoner6tb
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Baby dies from drug tainted fingers
updated 6:21 a.m. CT, Thurs., June. 19, 2008
HOUSTON - A man whose teething infant died after apparently sucking on his father's cocaine-tainted fingers has been sentenced to life in prison.
Dennis Ray Driver, 26, was convicted Wednesday of felony murder for the overdose death of his 8-month-old son, Dennis Jr. The jury also fined Driver $10,000.
Driver said he fell asleep at his apartment on Dec. 28 with his son lying on his chest. When he awoke, the baby wasn't breathing. The infant died the next day at a hospital.
Driver had told investigators that he had chopped up cocaine and the baby later sucked on his fingers, prosecutor Murray Newman said.
'Message to parents'
Newman said he didn't believe Driver fed the cocaine to his son.
"We weren't trying to prove that he intentionally caused the death," he said. "This sends a message to parents to protect their children from any contact with illegal drugs."
Newman said medical testimony showed that a trace amount of cocaine could have caused acute cocaine toxicity in the baby, who had metabolized cocaine in his bloodstream and undigested cocaine in his stomach.
Defense attorney Hattie Shannon said her client was disappointed with the verdict and the sentence. Driver maintained his innocence throughout the trial, she said.
Newman said Driver had at least eight previous convictions, including six that were related to cocaine. The Houston Chronicle reported Wednesday in its online edition that when the baby died, Driver was free on bail on a cocaine possession charge
Pathetic fucking human being..
updated 6:21 a.m. CT, Thurs., June. 19, 2008
HOUSTON - A man whose teething infant died after apparently sucking on his father's cocaine-tainted fingers has been sentenced to life in prison.
Dennis Ray Driver, 26, was convicted Wednesday of felony murder for the overdose death of his 8-month-old son, Dennis Jr. The jury also fined Driver $10,000.
Driver said he fell asleep at his apartment on Dec. 28 with his son lying on his chest. When he awoke, the baby wasn't breathing. The infant died the next day at a hospital.
Driver had told investigators that he had chopped up cocaine and the baby later sucked on his fingers, prosecutor Murray Newman said.
'Message to parents'
Newman said he didn't believe Driver fed the cocaine to his son.
"We weren't trying to prove that he intentionally caused the death," he said. "This sends a message to parents to protect their children from any contact with illegal drugs."
Newman said medical testimony showed that a trace amount of cocaine could have caused acute cocaine toxicity in the baby, who had metabolized cocaine in his bloodstream and undigested cocaine in his stomach.
Defense attorney Hattie Shannon said her client was disappointed with the verdict and the sentence. Driver maintained his innocence throughout the trial, she said.
Newman said Driver had at least eight previous convictions, including six that were related to cocaine. The Houston Chronicle reported Wednesday in its online edition that when the baby died, Driver was free on bail on a cocaine possession charge
Pathetic fucking human being..
phr
Bluelighter
You have to include a link to the article.
zekethemusicman
Bluelighter
if the guy was so coked up whyd he fall asleep? Still sad
KStoner6tb
Bluelighter
qwe
Bluelight Crew
he unknowingly made a mistake. whats a pathetic human being is whoever tried to get him sentenced to life in prison even though he lost his kid
FrostyMcFailure
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thats messed up. I doubt anyone's done LD 50 infant studies for many moons. & ^makes a good point, we dont know him personally so its a lil hard 2 make such a harsh judgment. Subconcious often takes over too.
KStoner6tb
Bluelighter
I'm sorry, but someone harming themselves is their business. But you just CAN'T let accidents involving an innocent, helpless infant happen!! At all!! To me that's not accpetable. One of my good friends' dad almost burned their house down when he was high, and you have no idea the hatred this instilled in my buddy. If you're 26 years old, you should know what you're doing, and make sure you do not poison your infant child by knowingly dealing with drugs, and leaving yourself/baby in a vulnerable position like that. Sorry for posting identical thread.
phr
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Merged.
KStoner6tb
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Johnny1 said:
That's comparing apples and oranges. Maybe Tylenol would have done the same thing. But tylenol's not illegal. Tylenol has also not been proved to be such a menace to society, whereas cocaine has. It's not consided morally wrong by society in general to take tylenol. I could go on and on.
He deserves a lot worse. Who cares what happened to the Dad? We're talking some ones life here. Some happy, smiley, full of curiousity, baby who had a full life a head of him. What about the mother? The rest of the family?
He was an idiot and I dont know why with all the drug possession charges, being out on bail, why the state didnt take his child from him? Isnt social services supposed to protect? Where was the protection here?
And yeah the same would go for any parent who was unresponsible..... EVEN over dosing their child on tylenol.
He was an idiot and I dont know why with all the drug possession charges, being out on bail, why the state didnt take his child from him? Isnt social services supposed to protect? Where was the protection here?
And yeah the same would go for any parent who was unresponsible..... EVEN over dosing their child on tylenol.
KStoner6tb
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HalfTime said:
Seems like we're the only two that feel this way. I agree 100%. People who treat parenting with this lackadazical attitude, are just asking for problems; current or in the future. I'm just wondering what you people who are being so understanding of this man would think if some drunk driver injured/killed someone in a car wreck. Would you feel sympathy for the driver because, after all, he already has to deal with the fact that he killed someone. Drunk. That seems like a feasible comparison to me.
qwe
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im going to refrain from calling you a dickhead, but seriously... they are called 'accidents' for a reason
you make mistakes all the time. you CANT predict them. the guy COULDNT have known that would happen. he had no INTENTION (and the law is supposed to be about intent) to harm his child, he could have been fucking ghandi and the mistake could have still happened, because it's what we call an ACCIDENT
>.People who treat parenting with this lackadazical attitude,>>
total straw man, and it's not even valid
>>I'm just wondering what you people who are being so understanding of this man would think if some drunk driver injured/killed someone in a car wreck.>>
id think he should go to jail for driving a car while obviously being incapable of driving
getting in a car drunk, you know that there's an increased chance of wreck, and thus a chance you will hurt someone
taking a rest with your baby while high on cocaine, you would normally think nothing could happen right? youre just enjoying your drugs, enjoying the presence of your family... who would have thought a minute amount of cocaine on your fingers could have done that? it's not the same situation as a drunk man getting in a car AT ALL
>>Would you feel sympathy for the driver because, after all, he already has to deal with the fact that he killed someone.>>
yes. it's called empathy
jesus i'm starting to feel like bill hicks. EVOLVE ALL YOU FUCKING MORONS. Come on. evolved yet? evolve. EVOLVE! ah its hopeless
KStoner6tb
Bluelighter
qwe said:
You're the fucking dumbass. He couldn't have predicted it, but he could have prevented it jackass. I know this is a drug forum, and I'm no angel; but cocaine is a schedule I drug. When you give yourself the responsiblity of being a parent, you have do be a little more FUCKING CAREFUL around your infant child to prevent senseless shit like this from happening.
Yah, I understand empathy. This world is evolving...into a bunch of dicks who look for ways out, or places for blame besides themselves. An accident is just that. But an 'accident' of this nature has no place in this world. What if that was your child, and the guy was a friend of yours who was HIGH, on coke, and killed your baby? Would that change things around a little bit? I sure as hell think so.
KStoner6tb
Bluelighter
qwe said:
Enjoying your drugs in the presence of your family???? What the hell? Yah, that's the mentality of an ignorant person right there. You just made my point. The baby can't do anything to protect itself while YOU'RE high on cocaine, and figuring nothing's going to happen. Get your head out of your ass.
KStoner6tb
Bluelighter
Sorry for the hostility man, but this type of attitude really gets me upset. Why you think drugs and drug users to be more specific, get such a bad rap? From shit just like this. Not wanting to punish someone who really fucks up just divides users/non-users even more, and gives the straight edged people more shit to throw at us.
zigzag| dta
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i support the life sentence
was there a need for the father to even put a baby around coke?
no
did anyone make him do it?
no
fry the bastard
was there a need for the father to even put a baby around coke?
no
did anyone make him do it?
no
fry the bastard
qwe
Bluelight Crew
^no evidence in article that the baby was around coke, except the coke that the man unknowingly had on his fingers
@Kstoner,
>>He couldn't have predicted it, but he could have prevented it jackass>>
how?
by never taking a rest with his baby while hes high? because some freak accident with a 0.0000001% chance of occuring may happen? the baby had a higher chance of death if he took the baby for a SOBER car ride. maybe he should refrain from driving, put the baby in a bubble, have an electric generator on hand in case the power goes out, because of course hes gonna have medical equipment there on the spot just incase some freak accident happens to his baby, and he should hire some personal guards as well as medics, to stand around while he hangs out with his baby
there. simple. whole thing prevented
>>When you give yourself the responsiblity of being a parent, you have do be a little more FUCKING CAREFUL around your infant child to prevent senseless shit like this from happening>>
youre telling me that if you were a parent, you would have thought of the possibility that a minute amount of cocaine on your hands would kill your baby? if you were in the same situation, the baby would have still died. would you be arguing for YOUR imprisonment? because this sort of accident is the sort of accident no one sees coming, no one even notices. its an accident which is tragic but unavoidable, babies and humans in general die sometimes due to freak accidents, and you cant just spend a million dollars for the equipment and personnel to lower the odds of freak accidents from 0.000001% to 0.0000000001%
>>hat if that was your child, and the guy was a friend of yours who was HIGH, on coke, and killed your baby? Would that change things around a little bit? I sure as hell think so.>>
well, i would realize that he had no intention to hurt my kid, and that he couldnt have prevented this from happening. i would have no hard feelings against the guy. i tend to be logical about my emotions...
>>Enjoying your drugs in the presence of your family???? What the hell? Yah, that's the mentality of an ignorant person right there. You just made my point. The baby can't do anything to protect itself while YOU'RE high on cocaine, and figuring nothing's going to happen. Get your head out of your ass.>>
when i have a kid, i am going to enjoy hanging out with him. and you know what? im also going to be high on opiates or marijuana. and you know what else? nothing is going to happen
the article listed no wreckless behavior, no 'negligence,' nothing of the sort. all he did was rest with his baby, and not being a medical professional, he couldnt have guessed the effects his fingers could have. sorry, but its not his fault, and he doesnt deserve a prison sentence
kids die all the time from accidents which we wish wouldnt happen but this is Earth we live on and we are subject to the forces of nature. why, might i ask, is this one accident so important to you? why do you condemn this accident so much more? because it involves cocaine? and cocaine is morally condemned by society?
you do seem rather emotional, and i would suggest reading my posts after getting a nights sleep and relaxing
>>Why you think drugs and drug users to be more specific, get such a bad rap? From shit just like this>>
the media writes lies about drugs and drug users, because there are behind-the-scenes motivations for the drug war. when people on drugs do stupid things, true, the populace gets angry. this wasnt, however, a stupid thing to do (unless he was a genius doctor, then he would have realized). he was just resting with his baby!
but seriously, this guy is as innocent as a sober guy resting with his baby and he falls asleep on accident and his baby happens to suck on his fingers which, by the way, are tainted by tylenol (which is more lethal than cocaine, in terms of effective dose) because the guy had a headache. would you put this guy to a life in jail?
true, society sees cocaine differently than tylenol. society condemns cocaine. how does that make the first guy more guilty than the second guy? especially when you consider that society is dead wrong and misled by propaganda machines...
@Kstoner,
>>He couldn't have predicted it, but he could have prevented it jackass>>
how?
by never taking a rest with his baby while hes high? because some freak accident with a 0.0000001% chance of occuring may happen? the baby had a higher chance of death if he took the baby for a SOBER car ride. maybe he should refrain from driving, put the baby in a bubble, have an electric generator on hand in case the power goes out, because of course hes gonna have medical equipment there on the spot just incase some freak accident happens to his baby, and he should hire some personal guards as well as medics, to stand around while he hangs out with his baby
there. simple. whole thing prevented
>>When you give yourself the responsiblity of being a parent, you have do be a little more FUCKING CAREFUL around your infant child to prevent senseless shit like this from happening>>
youre telling me that if you were a parent, you would have thought of the possibility that a minute amount of cocaine on your hands would kill your baby? if you were in the same situation, the baby would have still died. would you be arguing for YOUR imprisonment? because this sort of accident is the sort of accident no one sees coming, no one even notices. its an accident which is tragic but unavoidable, babies and humans in general die sometimes due to freak accidents, and you cant just spend a million dollars for the equipment and personnel to lower the odds of freak accidents from 0.000001% to 0.0000000001%
>>hat if that was your child, and the guy was a friend of yours who was HIGH, on coke, and killed your baby? Would that change things around a little bit? I sure as hell think so.>>
well, i would realize that he had no intention to hurt my kid, and that he couldnt have prevented this from happening. i would have no hard feelings against the guy. i tend to be logical about my emotions...
>>Enjoying your drugs in the presence of your family???? What the hell? Yah, that's the mentality of an ignorant person right there. You just made my point. The baby can't do anything to protect itself while YOU'RE high on cocaine, and figuring nothing's going to happen. Get your head out of your ass.>>
when i have a kid, i am going to enjoy hanging out with him. and you know what? im also going to be high on opiates or marijuana. and you know what else? nothing is going to happen
the article listed no wreckless behavior, no 'negligence,' nothing of the sort. all he did was rest with his baby, and not being a medical professional, he couldnt have guessed the effects his fingers could have. sorry, but its not his fault, and he doesnt deserve a prison sentence
kids die all the time from accidents which we wish wouldnt happen but this is Earth we live on and we are subject to the forces of nature. why, might i ask, is this one accident so important to you? why do you condemn this accident so much more? because it involves cocaine? and cocaine is morally condemned by society?
you do seem rather emotional, and i would suggest reading my posts after getting a nights sleep and relaxing
>>Why you think drugs and drug users to be more specific, get such a bad rap? From shit just like this>>
the media writes lies about drugs and drug users, because there are behind-the-scenes motivations for the drug war. when people on drugs do stupid things, true, the populace gets angry. this wasnt, however, a stupid thing to do (unless he was a genius doctor, then he would have realized). he was just resting with his baby!
but seriously, this guy is as innocent as a sober guy resting with his baby and he falls asleep on accident and his baby happens to suck on his fingers which, by the way, are tainted by tylenol (which is more lethal than cocaine, in terms of effective dose) because the guy had a headache. would you put this guy to a life in jail?
true, society sees cocaine differently than tylenol. society condemns cocaine. how does that make the first guy more guilty than the second guy? especially when you consider that society is dead wrong and misled by propaganda machines...
KStoner6tb
Bluelighter
Okay Gwe, i only got a little defensive after the whole 'i'm not gonna call you a dickhead' which was pretty much doing so without being direct. Don't you think, as you mentioned, there's already enough accidents, misfortunes, and illnesses that already put children, esp. infants at risk man? As an adult, who should have puts his children's well-being ahead of his own desires to get high, he shouldn't have taken that .000001% of a chance. You HAVE to take certain risk ie. driving, etc. so don't compare anything of the like.
The media dosen't have to write any lies about this. The story is just sad and legitimate fuel for the drug propaganda. If you don't want people to have this way of thinking, we need to help prevent shit like this from happening; not defend it when it does occur because it wasn't right i'm sorry.
Like I said, there are already enough ways children can experience some shitty breaks. I'm sure lots of people do drugs around their family, and that's what this pretty much boils down to. A moral decision with lots of varried opinions. I am a drug user, yet I do not have kids. I don't feel like I could be a parent and getting high simultaneously. Not to mention the others ways this behavior could affect the child(emotional problems)
The media dosen't have to write any lies about this. The story is just sad and legitimate fuel for the drug propaganda. If you don't want people to have this way of thinking, we need to help prevent shit like this from happening; not defend it when it does occur because it wasn't right i'm sorry.
Like I said, there are already enough ways children can experience some shitty breaks. I'm sure lots of people do drugs around their family, and that's what this pretty much boils down to. A moral decision with lots of varried opinions. I am a drug user, yet I do not have kids. I don't feel like I could be a parent and getting high simultaneously. Not to mention the others ways this behavior could affect the child(emotional problems)