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Dabs/unknown dose-Beginner-My first year of substances

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UnanimousCash

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Before you start reading this thread I will forewarn you that it is going to be a pretty long thread but I would appreciate anyone who reads it. Okay, so right now I am 13, pretty young I know. I am about to turn 14 in two days and it was just this year that I had started experimenting with substances recreationally. I am not asking any specific question in this thread but any feedback anyone has would be cool, and I may or may not have minor questions throughout the thread. Before I start I'll just tell you I little bit about myself. I am 13 almost 14 as you found out at the beginning of the thread, I am 6 ft 2 roughly and way around 145 pounds. I live in a small town with 300-400 residents. My parents are still together and I have a younger sister who is 9 years old. I am only using drugs recreationally and am not depressed or using them to try and escape anything. Now moving on to the topic.

I have a pretty diverse group of friends, I have a group that is more in to drugs, I have kind of a gamer/nerd group that hasn't really tried anything, and I have a more active group that are in to sports and stuff who haven't tried anything hard. So one day at school I was hanging around my kinda gamer group and I had just found out that they had tried drinking. Sure, it doesn't seem like that big of a deal but it was a bit of a shocker to me because they seemed fairly against it, or so I thought. So for a few days after I was thinking about it and started to wonder if I wanted to try anything like that. A couple weeks later I was hanging out with one of my friends who was more in to drugs and that sort of thing and told him that I wanted to try smoking weed. He was pretty surprised but excited at the same time. This was on a Tuesday night at sometime in November 2014, being a weeknight I had to go home that night because I had school the next day. That was my first mistake. Since I don't really want to give the names of my friends away I'll just call them by different names. The friend who I wasn't planning on smoking with we'll just call will. Me and will went to his house at like 5:00 and didn't start to smoke for a little but. My parents left the house to go to have dinner at a resteraunt and took my little sister with them. We had around 2-3 hours until they got back and I had to go. So me and my friend didn't actually smoke, we ate it, and it wasn't actually weed, it was Phoenix tears.

For those who don't know what Phoenix tears are they are pretty much dabs, which are weed based and I hope most of you have heard of. I didn't really know much about Phoenix tears other than it was really potent. I am still pretty pissed off at will to this day because he bullshit me and told me that this was only going to last like 30-45 minutes. So after we took it, it took around 25 minutes to kick in. It was very intense though and still one of the highest I've ever been off anything. It gets pretty late and I realize that I should probably go home soon and Will agrees to walk me half way back. I get home and my parents are still out, it's probably around 8:00 and I am kind of freaking cause I'm still really high and I know I can't conceal it in front of them. I decide to take a shower in hopes that it might help it ware off somehow, but it didn't. I was really shaken and half-assedly dried myself off and went up to bed. I thought that if maybe I went to sleep before they got home that they wouldn't wake me up and I could sleep it off until they got home. So I put I game on my iPod and made it seem like I fell asleep while playing it. A couple minutes after I heard my door open and I knew I was fucked. My mum came upstairs and instantly knew something was up, she got my dad to come talk to me and I had to confess. I ended up throwing up and my dad called wills house to figure out what was going on.

The next day I woke up and turns out I was still high. Not as high as before to the point where I was dysfunctional but still noticeably high. I went to school and couldn't get much done then sobered up before I got home. I was grounded for close to a month and wasn't allowed to hang out with will anymore. I didn't think I was going to smoke for a long time. A couple months later I stayed at a different Friends house who was also more in to drugs and we'll just call him Travis. Travis was a major stoner and has been since he was like 10. I told him that I didn't want to smoke but might be willing to try drinking. He seemed cool with it but once we had trouble finding alcohol he seemed pretty determined that he wanted me to smoke. I really wasn't in to it, but good thing was we could get some alcohol. I probably had like four shots mixed with some juice and it got me a mild buzz, and that was my first experience drinking. I forgot to say in the beginning of the thread that all of my friends are a fair amount older than me, will is 16 and Travis is 15 which is around a the same age as most of my other friends. The next time I tried drinking was in February of 2015 and this time I went hard. This was at my friends 15th birthday and we'll just call her Maria. Her brother dan is a close friend of mine and he was also there. I probably drank a little more than half a Mickey which isn't a lot but I chugged most of it and for someone who hadn't drank a lot it got me really drunk, I had three beers on top of that and I had puked twice by the end of the night but still had a really good time. A few weeks later I tried weed again which I won't get in to too much detail, I'll just say that I smoked it this time with a friend of mine named Eli and had a good time this time without getting caught. I had drank and smoked a few times after that and one day I woke up with a strange thought that I hadn't really thought of seriously before. Ecstasy. Which was wierd because I hadn't really been offered ecstasy before and not a lot of my friends had done it. My friend Eli eventually got some E and he told me I could buy some if I wanted. It was a little under a half gram and I told him I'd buy it for twenty bucks. I got it but I still wasn't sure if I wanted to do it or not but I figured that I might as well have it and I could just sell it if I wanted.

A few weeks later Travis came over and I told him that I had it. He really wanted to do it but at this point I wasn't even too sure if I wanted to do ecstasy anymore. He told me that he would give me two hits of acid next time he got it if he could just keep the ecstasy for himself. I agreed because I was a little more open to trying acid. I got a Mickey of alcohol for me and him to split that night and we were staying at his house. I went there and we got really drunk and went down to my other friends house named Sammy. Sammy smoked quite a bit but wasn't really in to other drugs. So I went down and Sammy had another one of my friends there named kie. So now there was four of us there and we went up to Sammy's room. Travis also had some T3's in powder form that he put in to a drink. I took a few sips of that once I was drunk and couldn't notice anything particularly different. That's when Travis took out the ecstasy and started doing lines. He gave kie a line and then offered me one. The main reason I accepted was because I was drunk but I said sure, I mean what the hell. I only took 2 small lines which were the equivalent to one but I could notice a little bit of a high. I also hit my first bong toke that night and by the end of the night I was just done. Then a few weeks later I stayed the night at Travis's house again and asked him if he had any drugs and sure enough he did. This time it wasn't ecstasy though, it was something a little harder, ketamine. I hadn't heard too much about ketamine other than it was bad and a horse tranquilizer. Travis was in to harder drugs and is actually addicted to cocaine which sucks but there's not much I can do about it. He had an empty coke bag there that he let me rub on my gums which made my whole mouth and throat completely numb which was cool.

We went down to Sammy's again and a little later Eli came over. We played some video games and the went down to Eli's and that's when Travis brought out the ketamine. He did a couple lines and Eli did 2 then I even did one but I didn't notice anything off of it yet. We went back to Travis's house without Eli or Sammy and got our sleeping area set up. We stayed out there and we did a lot of ketamine. I did eight lines in total and K-holed at the end of the night. I could see complete double and it was pretty fun but I haven't touched it since and am not planning on doing so. Since I did so much though he said that he wasn't going to give me the two hits of acid that he owed me. A little after that school ends and that's when some party's start to really happen. I went to a year end party and tried my first ciggerette, big whoop, I honestly don't see how people like them that much. Fast forward to July, this month, and it's my friend dans 17th birthday. I ended up buying another half gram of ecstasy off of my friend Eli and did it with him and my other friend Krueger. Krueger only did like one line but me and Eli had a lot. I had like 2 thirds of my half gram, then Eli went and got 1.5 grams from his house and we did that too. At the end of the night I probably did really close to a gram and I was really fucked. I had also drank quite a lot too. Then later this July I went to a festival which I stayed at for 3 days and 2 nights, but I'll just tell you about the first night I was there with a lot of my friends and I got Travis to get me some acid and he got me three hits. Since it was my first time doing acid I only did one hit and it was a lit of fun. I was with Eli and Krueger and it was there first time doing it too. I could've done sassafras that night but I've been trying to stop doing powders since the last time I did E so I turned it down. I also got offered coke but for the same reason i just didn't want to, plus I have no interest in trying coke after Travis got hooked and I see how it controls him. I left out a lot of the stories of me drinking or smoking weed because I figured they'd just get boring and repetative plus there's too many for me to remember.

There were some points this year where I've been curious about trying certain drugs such as DXM, mushrooms, opium, coke, and anything like peyote or salvia but right now I feel like I'm sticking with hallucinogens and alcohol because some of the other stuff is actually really unhealthy and addictive and I just don't want to go down that road. I'm pretty confident that I won't though because I have no problem turning down drugs that I don't want to do. Sorry if this thread has stopped making a lot of sense near the end here because it's late right now and I'm pretty tired so I may fuck up the typing a little bit. Though I do think that I have told my story. I do really appreciate anyone who read this fully as I know it's really long but I did put a lot of time and effort in to writing it because there is not any adults I can talk to about this sort of thing due to my age. Also I know that I am young and that I should not try this stuff until I'm older and trust me I know. I wouldn't recommend this stuff for people my age because as soon as you start it is kind of a lifestyle and there's no going back. It was unfortunate that I grew up in an area where drugs were easily accessible to me because I feel that I wouldn't have tried any of the things that I did if they weren't so easily accessible but so be it, I made my own decisions and I think that I can move on without having to do hard shit.

I am not doing any hard drugs right now and I'm not planning on doing any more for a long time. I still do want to try mushrooms and any of those hallucinogens that I haven't tried yet, and I wouldn't mind doing acid again. I'm still drinking and smoking weed on occasion and I don't plan on stopping unless I need to for some reason. I just got caught today getting drunk at a festival that just happened which is the first time I got caught since the first time I ever got high. Like I said before thanks a lot for reading and please do give me some feedback on what you thought of my story about my first year of substances.
 
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Since no one will give you an actual decent response, allow me to be the first.

Without sounding like a hypocrite, I don't personally condone people your age using drugs recreationally. Every SINGLE adult on here can you tell you a few personal stories about how drugs have caused something bad to happen in their lives. Me, for example, I was addicted to Oxycodone for 3 years. I was high all the time for the first 2 years of my son's life, and my addiction cost me many good things I had going. It cost my awesome job I had, because I thought I could do Oxy at work and after the 2nd time I got caught nodding out at my desk I got fired. $16 an hour IT job gone, out the door. And that was good for me considering I was only 22 at the time and was a high school drop out with no college education. After I lost my job, I lost my wife next as our relationship fell to pieces because she was on Oxy as well. Once she left me, she took my son with her. Shortly after that, I couldn't find work in my field and ended up losing my nice townhouse I had. Then I had to leave the state to go live with family, being forced to quit Oxy cold-turkey. This was YEARS ago and I haven't seen my kid since then.

Now, that may sound like a stereotypical sob story, but it's true. Bad shit does happen because of drugs, and if you stay on the path you're on I can already predict what's in store for you. Sure, I still use some drugs recreationally, but I refrain from forming any addictions. However, I am now an alcoholic since my transition away from strong opiates. So I basically substituted one evil for another. I couldn't do the drugs I wanted so I turned to alcohol, and now that's destroying my body. It's made me fat, lazy, and generally unhealthy.

It's a shame that you're 13-14 and already drinking. However, I know that no one can really stop you. I'm just advising against the path you're going down.

With that said, this forum IS all about harm reduction. It's not about convincing people to stop doing drugs, instead it's about accepting the fact that people here are going to do drugs regardless, and our goal is to information and educate to hopefully help you make proper decisions.

So based on my personal experience, here's all I have to say about the drugs you've mentioned:

1) Please avoid mixing alcohol with other drugs at your age. Most people who do that have already built a tolerance to the substances individually, but if you start thinking you can mix alcohol with anything, then you'll find yourself in a world of hurt.

2) Hallucinogens can be dangerous when used alone, and most people your age never experiment properly. If you're going to experiment with hallucinogens, have a sitter, i.e. a close friend, available to watch you to make sure you don't get yourself in trouble. And make sure that person isn't high himself.

3) Avoid things like research chemicals or substances you're not educated on. I doubt you'll invest the time to do your homework on the chemicals and how they may interact with your body, nor will you invest the money in testing kits, especially those for MDMA (Molly, X). Chemicals like these aren't as cut an dry as alcohol, weed, OTC drugs, or prescription drugs. If you dose wrong, or get a bad batch of something you didn't test for, they could KILL you.

4) OTC drugs - DXM is OK in terms of OTC highs, but it has addictive qualities and dosing can be hit or miss. Too little and you'll feel nothing, too much and you're screwed. It's really a trial and error drug that isn't worth the time for a lot of people. Also, make sure to buy only things that contain pure DXM. Avoid things like Coricidn (CCC's, Triple C's), as they contain other drugs that could harm or kill you in high doses. Try to avoid other OTC drugs as much as possible.

5) Mushrooms - Shrooms are actually one of the better hallucinogens IMO. Dose it just right and you're have very fun open-eye visuals while still maintaining full control. Never start a trip with a negative mindset, and as I said before, have a sitter.

6) Opiates - The most common class of drugs to abuse. Extremely easy to get addicted to, but if you dose right and avoid prolonged usage, they can actually be among the safest, with the exception of things like heroin as I don't personally condone IV use (although heroin can be snorted). Always be careful with opiates and NEVER mix them with alcohol at your age. The combined depressant effects could cause blackouts if you're not used to it. People say nodding is enjoyable, but not when you're out somewhere and blackout and the cops come get you. And the stories of people passing out on strong opiates and then choking to death on their own vomit is totally true, and alcohol would only make this worst. If you experiment with opiates avoid sleeping on them until the effects wear off, never mix other substances with them, do not overdose for your body weight, and do not use them for prolonged periods of time unless you want a physical addiction.

7) Cocaine - I personally like coke, but finding good quality cocaine is hard for a lot of people these days. The same rules apply to cocaine as with opiates. Watch your dosage, do not mix uppers with downers, and do not use it for an extended period of time.
 
GhostOfYou said:
Since no one will give you an actual decent response, allow me to be the first.

Without sounding like a hypocrite, I don't personally condone people your age using drugs recreationally. Every SINGLE adult on here can you tell you a few personal stories about how drugs have caused something bad to happen in their lives. Me, for example, I was addicted to Oxycodone for 3 years. I was high all the time for the first 2 years of my son's life, and my addiction cost me many good things I had going. It cost my awesome job I had, because I thought I could do Oxy at work and after the 2nd time I got caught nodding out at my desk I got fired. $16 an hour IT job gone, out the door. And that was good for me considering I was only 22 at the time and was a high school drop out with no college education. After I lost my job, I lost my wife next as our relationship fell to pieces because she was on Oxy as well. Once she left me, she took my son with her. Shortly after that, I couldn't find work in my field and ended up losing my nice townhouse I had. Then I had to leave the state to go live with family, being forced to quit Oxy cold-turkey. This was YEARS ago and I haven't seen my kid since then.

Now, that may sound like a stereotypical sob story, but it's true. Bad shit does happen because of drugs, and if you stay on the path you're on I can already predict what's in store for you. Sure, I still use some drugs recreationally, but I refrain from forming any addictions. However, I am now an alcoholic since my transition away from strong opiates. So I basically substituted one evil for another. I couldn't do the drugs I wanted so I turned to alcohol, and now that's destroying my body. It's made me fat, lazy, and generally unhealthy.

It's a shame that you're 13-14 and already drinking. However, I know that no one can really stop you. I'm just advising against the path you're going down.

With that said, this forum IS all about harm reduction. It's not about convincing people to stop doing drugs, instead it's about accepting the fact that people here are going to do drugs regardless, and our goal is to information and educate to hopefully help you make proper decisions.

So based on my personal experience, here's all I have to say about the drugs you've mentioned:

1) Please avoid mixing alcohol with other drugs at your age. Most people who do that have already built a tolerance to the substances individually, but if you start thinking you can mix alcohol with anything, then you'll find yourself in a world of hurt.

2) Hallucinogens can be dangerous when used alone, and most people your age never experiment properly. If you're going to experiment with hallucinogens, have a sitter, i.e. a close friend, available to watch you to make sure you don't get yourself in trouble. And make sure that person isn't high himself.

3) Avoid things like research chemicals or substances you're not educated on. I doubt you'll invest the time to do your homework on the chemicals and how they may interact with your body, nor will you invest the money in testing kits, especially those for MDMA (Molly, X). Chemicals like these aren't as cut an dry as alcohol, weed, OTC drugs, or prescription drugs. If you dose wrong, or get a bad batch of something you didn't test for, they could KILL you.

4) OTC drugs - DXM is OK in terms of OTC highs, but it has addictive qualities and dosing can be hit or miss. Too little and you'll feel nothing, too much and you're screwed. It's really a trial and error drug that isn't worth the time for a lot of people. Also, make sure to buy only things that contain pure DXM. Avoid things like Coricidn (CCC's, Triple C's), as they contain other drugs that could harm or kill you in high doses. Try to avoid other OTC drugs as much as possible.

5) Mushrooms - Shrooms are actually one of the better hallucinogens IMO. Dose it just right and you're have very fun open-eye visuals while still maintaining full control. Never start a trip with a negative mindset, and as I said before, have a sitter.

6) Opiates - The most common class of drugs to abuse. Extremely easy to get addicted to, but if you dose right and avoid prolonged usage, they can actually be among the safest, with the exception of things like heroin as I don't personally condone IV use (although heroin can be snorted). Always be careful with opiates and NEVER mix them with alcohol at your age. The combined depressant effects could cause blackouts if you're not used to it. People say nodding is enjoyable, but not when you're out somewhere and blackout and the cops come get you. And the stories of people passing out on strong opiates and then choking to death on their own vomit is totally true, and alcohol would only make this worst. If you experiment with opiates avoid sleeping on them until the effects wear off, never mix other substances with them, do not overdose for your body weight, and do not use them for prolonged periods of time unless you want a physical addiction.

7) Cocaine - I personally like coke, but finding good quality cocaine is hard for a lot of people these days. The same rules apply to cocaine as with opiates. Watch your dosage, do not mix uppers with downers, and do not use it for an extended period of time.
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Let me start off by saying thanks a lot for a serious reply, and I'm sorry to hear about what you went through. I wouldn't really know if it was a typical drug sob story as I normally don't like to read them because they just depress me. I hope that you're starting to do better now and if not, you get better in the future because it didn't sound like you were too old yourself and you still have a lot of life to live.

Now as for your advice, I know what you mean by going down the wrong path, as some of my friends have gone that route already. I have 1 friend who is addicted to coke and it doesn't look like he wants to stop anytime soon. Like I said I live in a town with only 300-400 people, which means I don't have too many options of people to hang around. I've heard it many times before about mixing drugs with alcohol. It's just that I am a lot more likely to want to take something when I'm drunk than I normally would when I'm sober. I have never heard the term OTC before but considering you were talking about DXM I'm just going to assume it means over the counter. I know that you're only supposed to get certain brands of It and if I were to get it I would just get robitussin. Even though I was seriously considering taking DXM at one point, I really don't think I will for a while though. Just because it seems kind of dirty and I've just lost interest in trying any synthetics. As far as hallucinogens go I'm pretty open minded. I know that they aren't good for people my age but I would only do them on occasion. They are also just way too hard to get around here for me to start doing them regularly even if I wanted to. Mushrooms are probably the drug that I want to try the most at this point, and I will as soon as I can get them. You didn't say anything specific about peyote or any of the stronger hallucinogens, which I am also curious about. I just assume you were talking about them as well for what you said about hallucinogens. And as for opiates I don't think I would ever go over trying straight opium. I would never touch heroine, especially injecting it, I could just never imagine injecting anything into myself to get high.

As of now I don't really have any interest in doing anything other than hallucinogens and alcohol, and I think I'll wait until I'm older to get back in to anything synthetic. I guess I'll end my reply here with a thanks again for replying seriously, and if you have anything else to say please do.
 
That was quite an account. You are very well-written, and for you age, it speaks volumes. I appreciate that. Thank you!

I agree that you are relatively young to start using drugs or alcohol regularly (or at all, honestly). Your brain is still maturing. The earlier you start drugs, the more damage they tend to do, at least, IMO.

I will add that I think you seem to be someone who is doing pretty well with moderation since you took breaks in-between many of them and didn't continue to use. Drugs can become an expensive habit for both your wallet and life if you don't pay attention to what is going on. :)

So, in regards to feedback that is specifically about using them...I really would consider the safest drug on your list to be mushrooms. Some might say weed but it still does damage your lungs with repeated use. Mushrooms would be difficult to "overdose" and they aren't addictive in the traditional sense. They can become that way psychologically, though, if you like them a lot. They don't tend to have a really awful recovery besides maybe some tiredness the next day. They are really great at keeping you awake. I like them a lot. They also aren't going to get you in nearly as much trouble, legally, as other drugs such as cocaine or meth. They typically carry the same type of legal ramifications that weed would. I would check your local area for that.

Ecstasy can be a crap shoot. You could get crap or you could get really strong stuff. Be careful with this one. This one, when used excessively, can cause pretty bad depression. If you overuse that one, it can take quite a long time to recover. I have a close friend who took this 3x a week every week when she was a teenager, from about 15 to 17. She now has permanent depression from damaged receptors. We have talked about it many times.

Heroin and other opiates like Vicodin are extremely addictive because they can cause physical addiction. Its not true that you can become addicted after one use. Some people really like it a lot and don't want to stop right away. Physical addiction takes repeated uses for 3 to 5 days. Recovery is extremely hard. It makes you very sick. If you are curious about it, you can find several threads about how awful it is. This doesn't mean that every person that has used heroin becomes addicted. I have tried it twice. I found it to be boring. I smoked it. There is some interesting evidence about IV heroin being less damaging to your body than the use of pills, when it is good quality. Pills contain Tylenol which destroy your liver over time. Keep in mind, always, that pharmaceutical drugs are never, ever safer just because they are legal. They may be more regulated but abuse of them will reek havoc on your body.

I would be the most concerned with alcohol abuse based on your story. You are quite young and getting DUI's can make your life horrible. Hangovers make going to work and school horrible. And alcohol lowers inhibitions more than any other substance I have had the experience of doing. Ever single drug I have ever used and ever single experience I have done that was unwise, was done under the influence of alcohol. I am not an alcoholic but there is a fine line between getting drunk a lot and having a problem.


Cocaine is very expensive to do on a regular basis and a tolerance builds quickly. At your age, I would avoid it. It is hard on the heart and depending on how you do it, it really damages your soft tissues with repeated use. If you remember Whitney Houston's death, her heart issue was caused from prolonged use.
I would recommend the same for meth. It is stronger than cocaine. It is also more dangerous due to the chemicals that it is made with. When it is made properly, it is an extremely clean drug to use but that is not common, unfortunately.

I have used all these drugs many times. I like meth and cocaine quite a lot because I prefer stimulants. If you are going to use either of these, please educate yourself very, very well so that you don't fall into the same traps that so many others have. There is no reason to ever get "meth mouth" or cokehead nosebleeds. There is a ton of fantastic information here on Bluelight that can help you a lot!

One final note: You really are young. I am only speaking about your physical age. I absolutely respect the maturity you have to come on here and ask for information and try to use drugs safely. You are so much more likely to be able to use without making serious errors like many do. Hope my feedback is useful and feel free to message anytime.
 
I haven't read the entire thing. Still some advice since you are young:

Stay off opiates
Stay off stimulants
Stay off needles
Browse the Dark Side forums here on bluelight

I've had a few dear friends in these past 20 years die. You are getting yourself into some really serious business. Enjoy the good times while they last cause chances are you are heading straight for hell. I'm not exaggerating. You could be fine, but the chance you won't be is significant.

Don't forget about love and sex either. These next years could turn you into something so much better.
Don't score street drugs. There are so many ways to score good drugs most of which are more or less free of charge. E.g. get into trading them online, but this is already too close to source discussion.

Few people can keep high moral standards throughout their drug use. Make sure you improve yours.
 
Let me just add, if you're interested in hallucinogens (This includes DXM too) WAIT UNTIL YOUR OLDER. Im fairly young myself and would love to try shrooms but until you're like 25 your brain is still developing. I listened to the OG's here on BL who used hallucinogens at a young age and got totatly wacked. You're just not mentally ready yet, neither am I.

$afe Tripping!
 
At least try to wait until your 18 to mess with E or drugs similiar. As well as Psychedelics and Disso's too. I started doing E my graduating year of highschool and thats when I found this site.. I believe that was 15 years ago.. I had a different username back the. THe forum was mainly Ecstasy Harm Reduction at that time.

You should always stay away from Opiates and Coke.. Especially Opiates because even people that arn't really addicts can get hooked on them. I didn't realize eating percocets here and there would lead to herion and suboxone addiction but it did. Took me to rough places...I used to be able to turn down drugs to but things change. I never thought I'd become an addict. I knew I was an alcoholic and had to be careful with drinking but it seemed like I could use drugs sparingly without much issue. Anything was better than drinking and driving getting arressted for stupid drunk stuff. Sooner or later the drugs became more of an addiction. Its starts as just fun and then turns into playing your own doctor. Self prescribing yourself everything under the sun....In the end your taking high doses of disso's in hopes of having some transformation that will allow you to no longer need to take drugs and just enjoy life.

Little man you already have the mind of an addict so take at easy and hope that you can stay in control. If you become an addict willpower is usually useless because your mind is always lying to itself saying I can use these drugs and not get burnt even though experience has shown they've burnt you in the past.

I don't think its a good idea to get into buying drugs online. At least you can throw a dealers number away but ordering drugs online with a few clicks can be hard to turn down. You may order something then realize, shit I don't even want to do that anymore but its too late and your trying to figure a way to stay sober when coming home to a mailbox filled with benzos, speed, ghb and God knows what else. GHB sent me to the ER twice and I was measuring my doses but lost track of the time of last doses. I probably would have been fine but when someone see's you out like that they have to call the ambulance.

Anyway I'm rambling a bit but try to be careful and remember that just because your not addicted or have control at one point in life doesn't mean that something could change and your finding yourself sucking dick for a ten dollar rock and a 13 dollar bag of herion.....lol I'm exxagerating its never gotten that bad for me but it may happen to you.T

Nothing good really comes from taking drugs unless we are talking about psychedelics and disso's that can sometimes give people spiritual insights......Taking E and using these drugs to young could make it difficult to make it through school and get a promising career and happy life.
 
I don't see that big an issue with MDMA or psychedelics. Quite on the contrary, you can learn a lot from it, if you integrate the experience properly and stick to having one experience every few years. If you do it regularly it can potentially wreak havoc on your emotional well-being.
 
Yeah if used in that respect there isn't a problem. I was speaking more about being that young and doing it. CHances are you won't be able to be patient enough to just have one or two experiences a year. Most so with MDMA being more addictive. Most of Molly Sold isn't even MDMA anymore its ethylone or methylone.

I guess if someone is going to use something they will regardless I just think its a little insane being that young and already having a want or need to try all these things. I just drank and smoked weed. Opening the door to polydrug potential misuse abuse while your body is still growing could set a a serious negative tone to your life.
 
I'm not sure why people aren't advocating opioid use over all this other shit. And anyone who claims that an alcohol addiction is "better" than opiate addiction is an idiot. I would literally sell my soul to get off alcohol and switch back to opiates. Christ, at least opiates made me happy.

Take it from a person who's currently living the life. I will consume half of a 1.75l bottle of vodka a DAY. I need to drink when I wake up, I drink at work, I drink when I get home. I'm a "functioning" alcoholic. I've been drinking so long you can't even tell when I'm technically drunk.

Hell I'm drinking right now as I'm writing this. Vodka lemonade. And not a sissy drink either. I do at LEAST 4 shots worth of vodka in any mixed drink. I can't even go to bars anymore because with the amount of money I'll spend on their shitty drinks I could buy 5 bottles of vodka for home.

I can't drink vodka straight though. My stomach is so fucked up it would make me puke. But I'm so immune to the taste I will mix vodka with anything. I've had vodka pepsi's, vodka ginger ale's, vodka vitamin water's, and I've even been forced to make my own lemonade before. Using tap water, lemon juice, and a bunch of sugar. I'll spend at least $20 a DAY on alcohol. And I know people spend about that much, if not more, on drugs. But keep in mind alcohol doesn't get me "high". It doesn't make me feel good. I drink it because I have to and I wish to God I didn't.

Ive been on opiates before. Had an oxy addiction for 3 years and it was a cakewalk in comparison. At least oxy made me feel good. At least I was happy when I was on it. Once you become addicted to alcohol, all that goes away and you keep drinking just to maintain. For the 3 years I was on Oxy, every time I did it I got high.

And yea, I had to quit oxy cold-turkey before, but the withdrawals were nothing in comparison to alcohol withdrawal. I had some cramping and body aches for like 3 days. Alcohol withdrawal can kill you. You get all the wonderful features of opiate withdrawal mixed with random seizures and, at worst, organ failure.

Not to mention once you form an addiction to alcohol you have over drinking and under drinking problems. Both can put you in a bad mood. Under drinking makes you irritable becsuse you'll always feel like you didn't get enough. And over drinking can make you violent, plus poison you.

I get that not getting enough opiates can make you irritable, but I have NEVER been violent on oxy. I don't care how much I did. Worst case scenario for me was I nodded so hard I fell asleep. Big whoop. If I overdo it on alcohol it triggers an odd depressive and emotional response in me that turns me violent. I'll suffer bouts of depressive crying and then BAM, a switch turns on and I turn in to the hulk. And not in a cool way.

My point in case is, alcohol is bad. It's very bad. It may seem good at first, and for "normal" people there's nothing wrong with going out a couple times a month and having a few drinks. But if you let it get the best of you, it will destroy you, physically, mentally, and financially.

I consider alcohol to be one of the WORST "drugs" ever conceived. And believe me when I say I would rather pick up a heroin addiction right now if it meant it would get me off alcohol.
 
GhostOfYou said:
I'm not sure why people aren't advocating opioid use over all this other shit. And anyone who claims that an alcohol addiction is "better" than opiate addiction is an idiot. I would literally sell my soul to get off alcohol and switch back to opiates. Christ, at least opiates made me happy.

Take it from a person who's currently living the life. I will consume half of a 1.75l bottle of vodka a DAY. I need to drink when I wake up, I drink at work, I drink when I get home. I'm a "functioning" alcoholic. I've been drinking so long you can't even tell when I'm technically drunk.

Hell I'm drinking right now as I'm writing this. Vodka lemonade. And not a sissy drink either. I do at LEAST 4 shots worth of vodka in any mixed drink. I can't even go to bars anymore because with the amount of money I'll spend on their shitty drinks I could buy 5 bottles of vodka for home.

I can't drink vodka straight though. My stomach is so fucked up it would make me puke. But I'm so immune to the taste I will mix vodka with anything. I've had vodka pepsi's, vodka ginger ale's, vodka vitamin water's, and I've even been forced to make my own lemonade before. Using tap water, lemon juice, and a bunch of sugar. I'll spend at least $20 a DAY on alcohol. And I know people spend about that much, if not more, on drugs. But keep in mind alcohol doesn't get me "high". It doesn't make me feel good. I drink it because I have to and I wish to God I didn't.

Ive been on opiates before. Had an oxy addiction for 3 years and it was a cakewalk in comparison. At least oxy made me feel good. At least I was happy when I was on it. Once you become addicted to alcohol, all that goes away and you keep drinking just to maintain. For the 3 years I was on Oxy, every time I did it I got high.

And yea, I had to quit oxy cold-turkey before, but the withdrawals were nothing in comparison to alcohol withdrawal. I had some cramping and body aches for like 3 days. Alcohol withdrawal can kill you. You get all the wonderful features of opiate withdrawal mixed with random seizures and, at worst, organ failure.

Not to mention once you form an addiction to alcohol you have over drinking and under drinking problems. Both can put you in a bad mood. Under drinking makes you irritable becsuse you'll always feel like you didn't get enough. And over drinking can make you violent, plus poison you.

I get that not getting enough opiates can make you irritable, but I have NEVER been violent on oxy. I don't care how much I did. Worst case scenario for me was I nodded so hard I fell asleep. Big whoop. If I overdo it on alcohol it triggers an odd depressive and emotional response in me that turns me violent. I'll suffer bouts of depressive crying and then BAM, a switch turns on and I turn in to the hulk. And not in a cool way.

My point in case is, alcohol is bad. It's very bad. It may seem good at first, and for "normal" people there's nothing wrong with going out a couple times a month and having a few drinks. But if you let it get the best of you, it will destroy you, physically, mentally, and financially.

I consider alcohol to be one of the WORST "drugs" ever conceived. And believe me when I say I would rather pick up a heroin addiction right now if it meant it would get me off alcohol.
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This is absolutely awful, awful advice for someone not prone to alcoholism. It takes a certain temperament/genetic makeup to become an alcoholic, that's an established scientific fact. Alcoholics have a stronger pleasurable response to alcohol, and lower impulse control, and other personality factors that can lead to alcoholism, thus why it runs in families. That's why 90% of the population can use it responsibly. Opiates are a different story. How many responsible users of heroin do you know? I understand that your personal experiences have coloured your perception, but applying them to every single kid who wants to try drugs is so, so retarded & irresponsible that I think you should be ashamed of yourself. Because you personally became an alcoholic, you think it's responsible to go around telling every group of kids who try alcohol (aka most of the fucking kids in the western world) to leave it alone and do fucking opiates instead? What's wrong with you? Get it through your head that you're the different one here, and that the advice you're giving is absolutely awful. Also, why don't you take your own advice? Any decent doctor can prescribe medication that can make even the most severe DTs non-existent. Some librium & clonidine and the physical symptoms will be totally cleared up. You could easily pick up an opiate habit in its place, if you mean what you say.

Now, OP, I know what it's like to be a young kid and think you're invincible, but I thought I'd chime in anyway. You have not had any consequences at all of your drug use yet, but your young age and the fact you're already experimenting with "harder" drugs (which you don't seem to have a clear idea of categorizing yet, by the way, considering you think ketamine is harder than MDMA), but if you continue you could very well end up a hollow shell of a person. I've seen it happen to plenty of people. Your personality & your body are not untouchable, drugs can wreak absolute havoc with them that can take a long, long time to repair. If you continue down this road I guarantee that you'll experience you first bout of depression soon, your first failure in your personal responsibilites due to drugs, your first broken relationship due to drugs. Drugs are a dangerous game even for adults, and for someone your age, when you're basically still a child, they can irreperably damage your developing brain forever. If I were you I'd seriously, seriously consider dropping the drugs for a while until you're 17 or 18, at least. I mean you're fucking 14 years old, you surely don't need drugs to enjoy yourself yet, but keep going down this road and drugs will be the only thing that bring you any joy at all, and I speak from experience. Please, OP, value your future, your personality and your mind over the fleeting high of drugs, and leave the further experimentation until you're older. I guarantee when you hit 18 or 19 and look back at the friends you used with (if they continued) you'll be so glad you decided to leave it till you're older.
 
Thank You Rio for clearing that up. Im an alcoholic and at one point thought opiates were safe and was in for a rude awakening... At least with an alcohol detox you can get some benzo's and wean down over a week. Opiates your fucked for sometimes up to a few months with lingering paws. Suboxone ruined me and I can't get over the PAWS and ended up going to Dope then to Lope. Its a nightmare.. Drinking is ugly too and withdrawal from it sucks but its short and over with fairly quick. Pick up some Valium and taper off over 7 days. Easy compared to the opiate withdrawal pain..

I advocate drinking on weekends when your a young kid. Not taking opiates. If your smart you won't even experiment because the chances of it going into full blown addiction is high.

Like I said I think if someone's young and wants to use smoke weed and drink occasionally if anything..... If you come across some LSD then well you;ll probably try and may realize you never want to do it again... MDMA can be addictive and I wouldn't fuck with it being young. But if one were to use it use no more than once a month if possible. It will keep you healthy and savor the experience.
 
Ghost if drinking isn't working for you then go to fucking detox.. Yeah Alcohol addiction sucks and its not easier but its easy to withdraw from either in a detox or on your own if you make sure you get rid of all alcohol and use a 1-2 week supply to detox yourself.. Problem there can be making sure to not switch to benzo's.. But i'd rather be taking 10-20mg valium over drinking a handle of vodka a day... I've been there.. I understand I just can't function and manage my life when drinking shitloads... It really does eat your soul and your body... Please don't recommend opiates though.. Its a different game. While it may be cleaner its not something to toy with.


Oh and if you ever get off Alcohol get on Baclofen or Phenibut and take it daily... It really does reduce cravings big time... I've experimented with both over long periods.... When It came time to get off Phenibut I used Benzo's 6 days worth and was good aside from a little rebound anxiety.
 
Innerpeace said:
arn't there any rules where 18 and up for this site?
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What good will banning the guy do? Then instead of advice and focus based around harm reduction, he's got the advice of his 15 year old buddies instead. Which of those sources do you think is more reliable?
 
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