D-Deprenyl

[gearjammer]

Thanks for the clarification, Sekio. I knew one was a generic trademark, just had it the wrong way around. D dep has never been marketed for humans but as an RC or for animals it is around. Is Selgene only used in Australia as a Selegiline branding?

Assuming levoamphetamine's affinity for noradrenaline transporters, can one assume that a mixture of salts like that found in Adderall would give you more of a vigilant focus than the singular focus of pure dextro amphet?

Could one then assume that with the GI metabolites of l-deprenyl, used together with dextro amphet, the subjective psychological experience would be similar?

 

[gearjammer]

Oh and Bmxxx, I had the same confusion surrounding which name was the trade name and which was its chemical name; I think it is simply because people in the industry refer to the isomers as d-deprenyl and l-deprenyl, giving the distinct impression that they are the chemical names. I have seen plenty of literature where both deprenyl and Selegiline are used interchangeably!

 

[Hammilton]

Yeah, the way that Deprenyl is used there's no wonder it's confused as a generic name, the literature is full of misuse of the generic and brand names for this product, perhaps because it's so old, I dunno really, though.

 

[Jabberwocky]

why isn't the stuff more popular for mass usage? I've always thought (based on literature) that I want my "older self"'s daily regimen to be testosterone and l-deprenyl. The things I read about it (selegeline) and the low mass-usage just don't add up..
(and I mean those as 'lifestyle' products not 'getting high' lol)

 

[ebola?]

why isn't the stuff more popular for mass usage?

It's only recently that it can be prescribed 'on-label' for depression (at least in the US). It poses headaches for recreational drug users, as one needs to watch combinations with it carefully.

ebola

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

It's only recently that it can be prescribed 'on-label' for depression (at least in the US). It poses headaches for recreational drug users, as one needs to watch combinations with it carefully.

ebola

As I learned. Combining with PEA is not a good idea. I'll post in the thread I created.

 

[ebola?]

I liked it, as it was a bit like adderall with a duration of 1 hour and a more prominent body high (but with less focus). Here's a relevant FAQ I wrote on the matter:
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...prenyl-and-Stimulants-FAQ-from-ebola-and-nuke

ebola

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

Yeah it was fun but tolerance shoots up reeeally fast and it's not very practical imo. I threw up after taking like four grams throughout the day.

 

[ebola?]

hooooly crap. I found 50 mg to be a reasonable attack dose.

ebola

 

[Jabberwocky]

It's only recently that it can be prescribed 'on-label' for depression (at least in the US). It poses headaches for recreational drug users, as one needs to watch combinations with it carefully.

ebola

so what? what % of scripts are prescribed off-label? Sabelli/javaid's paper in '95 showed how crazy-therapeutic the selegeline/pea stack was for depressives.

As I learned. Combining with PEA is not a good idea. I'll post in the thread I created.

plz do link; have been wrestling w/ the idea of doing my own pea 'trip report' thread, but frankly the compound is scary and not useful, but it's legal/cheap, so am really unsure if it's a good idea for me to make the thread...

I liked it, as it was a bit like adderall with a duration of 1 hour and a more prominent body high (but with less focus). Here's a relevant FAQ I wrote on the matter:
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...prenyl-and-Stimulants-FAQ-from-ebola-and-nuke

ebola

haha I love that thread, i wish it were your name posting it (saw it for the 1st time like 1wk ago, when you were promoting it on reddit. very, very excellenet thread, mucho props fwiw)

Yeah it was fun but tolerance shoots up reeeally fast and it's not very practical imo. I threw up after taking like four grams throughout the day.

hooooly crap. I found 50 mg to be a reasonable attack dose.

ebola

I think he's referring to taking it w/o maoBinhibition. If you're fully maoB inhibited, it's mil.ligram:milligram comparable to speed, from what I've found. w/o inhibition, it seems you need to take like a gram or more, to overwhelm your body's maoB enzymes. Hence why it's a ridiculously stupid compound, and, even in 'straight up' approaches (like IV) it's still flirting w/ fire. Google abounds w/ reports that're the same as my experiences, ie it's active but its 'thereapeutic window' is bullshit, and even tho you can get kilos for under $100 from anywhere, nobody who's gotten it has done anything but flush the shit

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

No I took it while on the 6mg Emsam patch at 500mg per pop. I started with around 80mg, then up to 160, then (not feeling much) decided to take the rest (340mg). That was nice but I took a 500mg capsule because I wasn't feeling a WHOLE lot from 340mg.

The thread is under basic drug discussion "Emsam and Phenylethylamine Dosage"

It's ok to do like twice but then it gets quite fiendy; and it's not really worth spending $15 on a bottle of them to only use once or twice (probably a maximum of four hours of fun).

 

[Jabberwocky]

gah i didn't even find it close to 4hrs, but I wasn't using a full-on maoBi. Jesus tho, when done 'properly' I was finding it to be, quite literally, mg:mg equipotent to adderall/speed.. to hear that yo uwere @6mg(full-enough inhibition, right?) and could do that much, i... am confuse. That doesn't sound right. If one were to shoot the stuff (bpea) w/o any maoBi (which'd be unnecessary anyways, if banging the stuff*), 10-20mg-ish is potent. Did you have tolerance or something? I just couldn't imagine how that would work otherwise, w/o killing you lol. Will check for your thread, thnx for the title

(*regarding banging the stuff, I cannot advise enough against it, its pH is very strong and, if one were stupid enough to play around like that, they'd be running a risk of losing their g'damn arm if they were just 'taste testing' w/o knowing what they were doing. insufflation is probably impossible imo, given how disgusting this powder smells. As stated, I'm in the camp of "I've tossed it in the toilet" just like most-anybody who i've read who's actually tried to test run this stuff :/ )

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

I meant four hours with two doses, with about a half an hour each time for it being "good".

6mg probably does affect maoi-a but not by much

I have somewhat of an amp tolerance for taking about 20mg dex for six months but I hadn't had any strong stimulants for four-five months before this.

It was a decent run, but I'd stick with occasional amp/coke usage.

 

[Hammilton]

I suspect that emsam, because it avoids the stomach means that it's not blocking the enzymes that are responsible for eating pea. I dunno, really, because with selegiline oral I had very little tolerance after two weeks of daily use

 

[Lightning-Nl]

Basically what I got from the past several posts is...

Phenethylamine + MAOI = 30 minutes of a 'good' amp-like feeling. But it instantly becomes habituating and you crave more within just a couple short hours. Overall - it's not worth it.

Just stick to the pharmaceutical speed. It's easy to get, cheap (relative to other things) and it lasts a fuck ton longer.

 

[Jabberwocky]

^maoBi; inhibiting A fully doesn't do much, because bpea is wayyy preferentially attacked by maoB. Also, while it's quantitatively comparable to speed (if maoB is either inhibited or bypassed, or the digestive tract is bypassed altogether), it's qualitatively different. It's got much more TAAR1 affinity iirc, so that's probably why, but yeah while it seems entirely 'like' speed, it's not nearly as clean/good as, say, adderrall would be, it feels dirty, more anxiety/'body load', etc. It's just one of those things that, yeah, it works, but it's pretty worthless (if you're using it 'right'; use it wrong, and it's eitehr ineffective or dangerous)

 

[Xorkoth]

Yeah PEA works with or without selegilene, I'm sure it works a lot better with it and at lower dosages. I really dislike the high though, it's like "OMG OMG LEIK I FEEL AWESOME!!!11" for 20-30 minutes and then it's full of terrible peripheral effects... at least for me. Ugh, makes me sick to think about.

I got like 10 grams of pure PEA a few years back and took maybe 1-2 grams... it was full-on strong, exactly like I described above. Very brief but the side effects lingered on for a long time. Really nasty.

 

[ebola?]

It's a generally bad idea to entirely overwhelm metabolic enzymes in order to achieve activity of a compound. Ethanol provides a possible exception.

Phenethylamine + MAOI = 30 minutes of a 'good' amp-like feeling. But it instantly becomes habituating and you crave more within just a couple short hours. Overall - it's not worth it.

I found it to last more like an hour and had no habituation issues (hell, I didn't even experience come-downs) (well, I did get high in class for no good reason several times ). This is interesting, because I have experienced moderate issues with habituation to other stimulants (I basically act like an addict while on them, and then quit after 3-4 days, for a couple weeks to a couple months).

ebola

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

Basically what I got from the past several posts is...

Phenethylamine + MAOI = 30 minutes of a 'good' amp-like feeling. But it instantly becomes habituating and you crave more within just a couple short hours. Overall - it's not worth it.

Just stick to the pharmaceutical speed. It's easy to get, cheap (relative to other things) and it lasts a fuck ton longer.

It's habituating at least until one becomes nauseous. I found it more recreational than amp in the moment, but not overall because of duration

 

[Jabberwocky]

Yeah PEA works with or without selegilene, I'm sure it works a lot better with it and at lower dosages. I really dislike the high though, it's like "OMG OMG LEIK I FEEL AWESOME!!!11" for 20-30 minutes and then it's full of terrible peripheral effects... at least for me. Ugh, makes me sick to think about.

I got like 10 grams of pure PEA a few years back and took maybe 1-2 grams... it was full-on strong, exactly like I described above. Very brief but the side effects lingered on for a long time. Really nasty.

yeah if you're using it 'raw' you need to take so much of it that it literally overpowers your body's maoB enzymes, and after that point, it's very very potent, hence the stupid-small 'therapeutic window' it allows if using w/o selegeline (or IV'ing/plugging) And while it feels very similar to AMPH, it actually works primarly via trace amine receptors (TAAR1, specifically) and has a crazy short half life. As you said- Really nasty!