Cycling Phenibut and etizolam

[Pudderkiz]

Hey! I've been using some phenibut, and I have to admit some larger doses, nothing major about 1-2g a day for about a week, and now I want to start cycling it. The only issue I feel pretty bad when I don't take it, let's just say Phenibut has been a godsend to my constant anxiety and motivational issues/depression and I'd hade to get tolerant or addicted.

So I've got some etizolam 1mg tabs witch I take after a drinking binge. I've only taken two max but thats some time ago. I've heard phenibut is good when cycled three days on 500mg-1g and then three days off.
Could anyone inform me on the addiction potential if I dose 1mg etizolam on the days off? Like three day cycle them both inbetween eachother?

Thanks.

 

[Toucan]

This has much more severe addiction potential than the phenibut alone.
For a start etizolam is far more addictive than phenibut itself, but also cycling like this is an easy way to end up with a polydrug addiction which will be much much harder to kick than just either drug alone.
I know this from personal experience as I tried just about the exact same thing that you're suggesting myself (although I had started with etizolam and tried to 'cycle' with phenibut to stop my etizolam tolerance rising)
Soon enough I was addicted to both the phenibut and the etizolam which was a real bugger to kick. Don't think this won't happen to you!

 

[Pudderkiz]

This has much more severe addiction potential than the phenibut alone.
For a start etizolam is far more addictive than phenibut itself, but also cycling like this is an easy way to end up with a polydrug addiction which will be much much harder to kick than just either drug alone.
I know this from personal experience as I tried just about the exact same thing that you're suggesting myself (although I had started with etizolam and tried to 'cycle' with phenibut to stop my etizolam tolerance rising)
Soon enough I was addicted to both the phenibut and the etizolam which was a real bugger to kick. Don't think this won't happen to you!

That sucks. Because my days without phenibut are quite awful, and I don't really like benzos that much, I like feeling motivated. I suppose I just have to have a bite at the sour apple and do the cycling with three days totally clean. Thanks for the advice!

P.S: On a sidenote, I don't mind being addicted to something, if it means I can get trough these final months of school and be productive without my anxiety killing all my will to get anything done, it's the tolerance I want to avoid!

 

[Mysterie]

you cant really have your cake and eat it, addiction = tolerance

its a cliche but there is a root you can find to your anxiety and motivational issues/depression, both of which i also suffer from

solutions could be: mindfulness meditation, regular exercise, good diet, building a support network

e.g. your brain will tell you that this assignment is too big you cant face it, its just all too painful. something like meditation can help you rationalise the reality of what really needs to happen, "if i do 30 minutes of this essay every day then I won't have to stress out about it all the time" etc etc

quick fixes are big risks

 

[Pudderkiz]

you cant really have your cake and eat it, addiction = tolerance

its a cliche but there is a root you can find to your anxiety and motivational issues/depression, both of which i also suffer from

solutions could be: mindfulness meditation, regular exercise, good diet, building a support network

e.g. your brain will tell you that this assignment is too big you cant face it, its just all too painful. something like meditation can help you rationalise the reality of what really needs to happen, "if i do 30 minutes of this essay every day then I won't have to stress out about it all the time" etc etc

quick fixes are big risks

I know exactly what I'm struggling with, but as you say, your head twists itself away from it. The only thing I need to do is identify my fears and do exactly what I'm scared off. And that can be hard, really hard. I'm not out to stay high, I'm not out to live a world where I can forgett everything, Im out to survive trough this right now and take the challenge on at a more suitable time. I know its contradictory, but I've been doing meditation, heavy exercise, I've changed my diet incredibly, and it's all bull for me, because my problems arent rooten in an unhealthy lifestyle. There is nothing wrong with my body, it's my head, there ain't no imbalance or genetic flaw in me, I've just become avoidant and somewhere deep down Im too afraid to face my deamons, thats it, I don't face my deamons by meditating. It's all good but I know what's wrong with me, but my head does mental gymnastics to avoid facing it, even trying to write down what Im struggling with is practicly impossible because I blank out, I supress it. Im glad you do things that help you, but for me it just becomes more stressfull, rigerousley doing all of these things thinking that if things become this, it will all be good, but I'm only dancing around the real issue.

But I'm glad you take the time to try and help me, and I apprechiate your advice, and I do find it valuable, it's just we are all different.

P.S: I just reread your post and yeah I suppose I can keep trying meditation, if it can help me find soloutions, but right now I need a serious boost to get where I want to go in life.

 

[Toucan]

I've found L-theanine (if you can by it as bulk powder, I sourced 100g very cheaply) and aniracetam to be wonderful anxiolytics without having addiction potential.
You might be interested in giving this thread a read: Good, non-addictive anti-anxiety drugs


oh and welcome to bluelight

 

[Pudderkiz]

I've found L-theanine (if you can by it as bulk powder, I sourced 100g very cheaply) and aniracetam to be wonderful anxiolytics without having addiction potential.
You might be interested in giving this thread a read: Good, non-addictive anti-anxiety drugs


oh and welcome to bluelight

Thanks alot It's good to be here! L-Theanine is the ingredient in green tea right? without the Caffeine? Think Im going to try it! But I hate taking like 20 different things to get minimal effect.

 

[Morphling]

I find bacopa rather good for treating anxiety, you could try that out as well.

 

[Pudderkiz]

Man I wanna take Phenibut so bad, but I know it'll only stop being nice. Fuck.

 

[88dood88]

I've been curious about Phenibut myself. How strongly does Phenibut affect you, does it take away your anxiety? I have social anxiety, it be nice to have something that it is legal and fairly cheap to have on hand for occasional use.

 

[Pudderkiz]

If it takes away my anxiety? Fuck yes! When I took phenibut the last time I actually was able to study people faces while talking to them, and I could actually smell a hundread different things I would never have noticed before, it's pretty much everything I want out of a med. I had one word in mind when I did it, this is what I tought meth+benzo would feel like.

Right now I have taken 2x 1mg of Eitzalopram and 1mg of Pyrazolam and my generall anxiety isn't close to diminished compared to the Phenibut.

 

[88dood88]

If it takes away my anxiety? Fuck yes! When I took phenibut the last time I actually was able to study people faces while talking to them, and I could actually smell a hundread different things I would never have noticed before, it's pretty much everything I want out of a med. I had one word in mind when I did it, this is what I tought meth+benzo would feel like.

Right now I have taken 2x 1mg of Eitzalopram and 1mg of Pyrazolam and my generall anxiety isn't close to diminished compared to the Phenibut.

Well damn, color me interested. I've tried Etizolam in the past and that was pretty good for anxiety, although buying Phenibut is obviously a lot easier. What brand Phenibut did you buy? I've seen a couple of brands that don't have great ratings

 

[Pudderkiz]

I don´t know if I´m allowed linking the exact one, but I bought it from Amazon.co.uk from something called "make your own blend" bulk powder 100g, should be on the top of the search list.

 

[88dood88]

I don´t know if I´m allowed linking the exact one, but I bought it from Amazon.co.uk from something called "make your own blend" bulk powder 100g, should be on the top of the search list.

Yeah I didn't want to put on the spot cause I don't think you source at all on BL, which is why I asked for the brand. Thanks, I think I see which brand you are talking about

 

[justsayknow]

It sounds like you are having similar issues to me. 3 days off phenibut to let it get out of your system. Do you find you get more anxiety and/or insomnia on the second day off?