• BASIC DRUG
    DISCUSSION
    Welcome to Bluelight!
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules
    Benzo Chart Opioids Chart
    Drug Terms Need Help??
    Drugs 101 Brain & Addiction
    Tired of your habit? Struggling to cope?
    Want to regain control or get sober?
    Visit our Recovery Support Forums
  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards

Cycling drugs for benefits

vortech

Bluelighter
Joined
Jul 18, 2012
Messages
2,045
Location
Desert USA
There seems to be many potential benefits to the intentional practice of cycling drugs, not the least of which is avoiding tolerance. I would love to hear your experiences on drug cycling, what combinations you found that worked, timing of the cycle etc.

This current experiment is a 2 phase cycle that runs for about 2 weeks or slightly longer. The first phase is a ramp up in daily use of methoxetamine (MXE) that lasts for about 1 week. At the end of that week is the introduction of 10-20mg of methadone per day for about a week. At the end of that phase is a 2-3 day transitional period where the methadone is ramped down to 10 mg and then ultimately 5 mg per day as the MXE is reintroduced and ramped up starting at about 50 mg a day and then around 100mg a day for the majority of the phase, sometimes exceeding that by the end of the cycle.
Pretty much the only other drug that is used is cannabis semi-regularly during both phases of the cycle with occasional breaks.

This cycle has worked well for many reasons. Both methadone and MXE are NMDA receptor antagonists, but I believe that their mechanisms for antagonizing the receptor is different which helps prevent tolerance buildup. Additionally, the state of mind produced by each drug is very different, almost opposite, or at least complementary. The methadone dulls and flattens the senses a bit, and it results in great sleep during that phase. Conversely, the MXE really amplifies the senses and 'awakens the spirit' which leads to sleeping less during that phase. Unfortunately, MXE can't be used daily for much more than about a week before the positive effects really start to dwindle. For a lot of people I would recommend taking no drugs during the MXE tolerance break, but it's a great solution for someone with daily pain that both the MXE and methadone work wonders for. Once again their pain relief actions are through different mechanisms (dissociation vs. opiation) which helps avoid tolerance build up.

I imagine doing either one of these drugs alone is not possible to feel so balanced and sustainable overall.
 
What's the point in this?

Also surely you are experiencing WDs from using methadone like this...

which leads to sleeping less during that phase

Sounds like WDs.

If you were intent on using these both of these drugs a better way would be to take a regular dose of methadone each day and "cycle" the MXE on and off as I believe WDs aren't quite such an issue as opiates.

Maybe I have misunderstood you. If that is the case I apologise.
 
The sleeping less during MXE phase is more due to the fact that MXE is more of a stimulant and methadone is a depressant. I do feel slight withdrawl for a couple days after stopping the methadone but the MXE masks it well enough. If I took the methadone every day I feel like I would become too used to it for it to really have any effect that I appreciate out of it.
 
If you are going to keep doing this I suggest switching to an opiate with a more favourable half life. Using methadone on and off is a really easy way to have addiction creep up on you due to the long half life. I'd switch to heroin, it doesn't have as bad withdrawals if you do get addicted and it's more pleasurable overall anyway.
 
^to avoid pain or maximize time being high (while desperately trying to avoid addiction), at least that's why I've tried to rotate drugs like this but quickly found out it only works for a while before tolerance and addiction ruins it anyway.
 
Thanks for the warning, it certainly is an addictive cycle...I think I would do best to avoid the opiates altogether and just cycle the MXE which I find to be much more rewarding anyway, and i hate most how opiates kills the sex drive. I love my sex drive too much to forget about it for more than a week at a time. MXE is good about not affecting my sex drive.
 
Top