Cycle Help

iThink said:
Thanks for the tip on diuretics. Last night I stayed up all night on amphetamine, and didn't eat anything for about 12 hours, coupled with lots of dancing. This morning I took a little more amphetamine to suppress appetite and drank 2 cups of black coffee spaced about an hour apart.
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What. The. Fuck. Why? Never use amphetamines like that for a diuretic effect. Staying up all night on amphetamines, dancing, and not eating for 12 hours is unhealthy.

If that is your plan for getting cut then you need to reevaluate your fitness plan. That shit won't fly when you are on a cycle and it doesn't fly off cycle.

Sleeping and eating are two of the most important aspects of muscle building. Staying up all night and not eating will send you into a catabolic spiral.
 
-Guido- said:
What. The. Fuck. Why? Never use amphetamines like that for a diuretic effect. Staying up all night on amphetamines, dancing, and not eating for 12 hours is unhealthy.

If that is your plan for getting cut then you need to reevaluate your fitness plan. That shit won't fly when you are on a cycle and it doesn't fly off cycle.

Sleeping and eating are two of the most important aspects of muscle building. Staying up all night and not eating will send you into a catabolic spiral.
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Maybe if I did this frequently, it would have a noticeable impact on my muscle mass, but I have done small binges like this before with no loss in strength and drastic fat reduction in a short amount of time. What is the problem with aiding a cut with something like this? I realize I wouldn't want to do this if I was on a cycle, but that isn't the case. I also wasn't meaning the amphetamine to be the diuretic, although it may have that effect, not sure. The coffee was what I was consciously using as a diuretic to see if it made any difference in cut.
 
OverDone said:
amphetamines.

recreational drugs (especially alcohol) should not be used in conjunction with steroids.

The things I've learned from this Forum regarding steroid use is:

  1. Lift consistently for three years before even considering steroids
  2. Eat healthy
  3. Eat big
  4. Sleep big
  5. No drugs
  6. No alcohol
  7. Wait until your body has fully developed (naturally) before taking the next step
  8. Research. Research. Research. (this shit isn't to be taken lightly)
Don't stop asking questions, iThink. That's the only way we can learn without personally experiencing something. Of course, read up on things first and, if you get stumped, ask the folks here 'hey, what's up with this...'
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Thanks for the tips. I'm starting to think that I will only use steroids when my mass starts deteriorating due to age, as I'm pretty lucky genetically and should be able to reach my goals naturally.
 
iThink said:
Maybe if I did this frequently, it would have a noticeable impact on my muscle mass, but I have done small binges like this before with no loss in strength and drastic fat reduction in a short amount of time. What is the problem with aiding a cut with something like this? I realize I wouldn't want to do this if I was on a cycle, but that isn't the case. I also wasn't meaning the amphetamine to be the diuretic, although it may have that effect, not sure. The coffee was what I was consciously using as a diuretic to see if it made any difference in cut.
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You are only getting away with such bullshit because you are 18. Once you get into your mid twenties such bullshit will leave you fatigued. Have you considered the strain on your heart and the neurotoxicity?

What you are doing isn't healthy and isn't safe. Cut it the fuck out. You don't aid a cut with drug binges and starvation.
 
-Guido- said:
You are only getting away with such bullshit because you are 18. Once you get into your mid twenties such bullshit will leave you fatigued. Have you considered the strain on your heart and the neurotoxicity?

What you are doing isn't healthy and isn't safe. Cut it the fuck out. You don't aid a cut with drug binges and starvation.
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I didn't think dexamphetamine was particularly neurotoxic. At the amounts I do, I also don't notice my heart rate ever getting that high. It gets much higher from moderate cardio alone. Could you explain to me why it is so unsafe?
 
I'm sorry, but if you need a full on explanation as to why any form of amphetamine isn't conducive to your health, I think it's time you learn a thing or two by yourself, because I'm not going to answer such an asinine question, and I doubt guido is going to waste his time doing the same.
 
We are on a drug forum, so i wouldn't expect to be berated for drug use unless it was overly harmful. I'm not arguing amphetamine is healthy, but i want to know what effect if any would warrant such a response from Guido.

Do you think using steroids to build beyond your genetic limits is healthy? I have heard steroid use is linked to cancer, and it seems that many people don't even have access to pharm grade gear.
 
iThink said:
We are on a drug forum, so i wouldn't expect to be berated for drug use unless it was overly harmful. I'm not arguing amphetamine is healthy, but i want to know what effect if any would warrant such a response from Guido.

Do you think using steroids to build beyond your genetic limits is healthy? I have heard steroid use is linked to cancer, and it seems that many people don't even have access to pharm grade gear.
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As far as muscle building is concerned, any sort of amphetamine is probably the worst drug to be taken, right next to alcohol. Why, you ask? The direct effects of the drug are one thing, but the indirect effects of reduced sleep quality/not sleeping at all and appetite suppression speak for themselves. Whether you care about lifting or not, stims, particulary amphetamines are pretty damn bad for you on all fronts. I think it's bad enough that kids in America are prescribed these pills to be taken everyday. Do I think using steroids is healthy? Fuck no. Being natty will always be healthier than being on in the long run, though the risks are often over exaggerated. Turning it into a drug vs. drug debate is futile, because it's all up to the user. Irresponsible steroid use is probably even worse than irresponsible opiate use, though responsible steroid use is safer than just about any other recreational drug used "responsibly". The only steroid that has actually been proven to cause cancer through research is anadrol, and only fucking retards take anadrol. If people don't have access to pharm grade gear, that's their issue. Finding pharm grade Test is super easy, and anyone who knows anything about AAS would agree that Test, whether it comes in the form of Sus250 or Prop or suspension or whatever, is pretty much all you need. Finding pharm grade Tren on the other hand is not possible because there is no such thing as human grade Tren.

You do make a good point with the whole Bluelight thing however. Your first sentence sums up EXACTLY why I believe there should be no steroid forum on bluelight, and it should instead be replaced with an Opiate discussion. There should be a serious lifters thread in the healthy living section and gear should be allowed to be freely discussed in that thread and that thread only.
 
I don't disagree with anything you said. I was just confused as to why people were flipping out on me and implying I'm a dumbass for taking some amphetamine. I would expect that on a fitness website, but not the steroid subsection of a drug forum.
 
iThink said:
I don't disagree with anything you said. I was just confused as to why people were flipping out on me and implying I'm a dumbass for taking some amphetamine. I would expect that on a fitness website, but not the steroid subsection of a drug forum.
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Because people in this forum are addicted to fitness, health, and responsible steroid use.
 
iThink said:
I didn't think dexamphetamine was particularly neurotoxic. At the amounts I do, I also don't notice my heart rate ever getting that high. It gets much higher from moderate cardio alone. Could you explain to me why it is so unsafe?
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Dexamphetamine is basically pharma grade methamphetamine. You admit to binging on it, staying up all night, not eating, and then doing more in the morning. I'm sure you can figure out why it's unsafe now.
 
iThink said:
We are on a drug forum, so i wouldn't expect to be berated for drug use unless it was overly harmful. I'm not arguing amphetamine is healthy, but i want to know what effect if any would warrant such a response from Guido.

Do you think using steroids to build beyond your genetic limits is healthy? I have heard steroid use is linked to cancer, and it seems that many people don't even have access to pharm grade gear.
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Not at all. It causes you to become dependent on the steroids to maintain that physique. Steroid use being linked to cancer has only been proven with Anadrol like Voxide said. Anadrol sucks anyways. It's a pretty harsh 17a to begin with, meaning it puts lots of stress on the liver, but the gains from it are mostly water and bloat that vanishes after use. I imagine chronic abuse of other 17a orals in high dosages for obscene lengths of time could perhaps cause liver cancer, but they would probably cause liver failure before liver cancer. I think just about every steroid user has access to pharm grade gear if they want it. I could get it but I prefer the gear from a particular under ground lab supplier; He uses pharm grade powder, oil, and BA to ensure sterility and mixes it it up himself. I think it's damn close to pharm grade and I have never had an issue with it. No pain. No infection. No swelling. I even started brewing my own Fina (Tren Ace) and the shit is fire, no problems with that either.
 
God dammit, I typed out a huge response yesterday, copied it because it said the server was unavailable, and then accidentally copied it over something else.

Fuck.
 
hey, vox... there's a cool extension called 'Lazarus' that works in almost every browser. Its a form recovery tool that recovers anything typed into a text box.

The 'server busy' issue is being looked into by our engineer and should be resolved in a relatively short time
 
Voxide said:
God dammit, I typed out a huge response yesterday, copied it because it said the server was unavailable, and then accidentally copied it over something else.

Fuck.
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I lost a pair of headphones two weeks ago because I smashed them after doing the same thing you did. I was enraged.
 
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