Cycle Help for a noob...;)

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Nu2this

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Hi All,

Im new to the forum and have been doing some research about cycles and stacks. With the help of some others, I have come up with a tentative cycle schedule that I was interested to hear some feedback about.

Firstly, I am 36 weigh 195lbs and am 6'0 in height. I have an average build with about 12-14ish% bf at the moment. I work out 3-4days a week: weights and cardio but nothing crazy at this point. I want to get in shape and get solid gains but am not looking to be the next Lou Ferigno or anything.;)

The proposed cycle goes something like this: (bare in mind Im just learning about this stuff and it seems like alot of this stuff can be opinion based, so this is just a skeleton that a guy I know suggested...;))

week 1&2- 500mg sustanon250 and 300mg deca300 every 4 days
weeks 3-7- 500mg test-E and 450mg deca300 every 4 days
weeks 8-10- 625mg test-E and 600mg deca300 every 4 days
Stop Deca
then gradually taper off test-E every 4 days starting at 625mg, then 500mg, then 375, then 250.

Also which PCT should I consider?

Any help and/or constructive feedback is greatly appreciated as I'm totally new to this although when I was 18 i did do a small cycle of testoviron..lol
 
Drop the deca, it will just complicate things for a first cycle, you need to get a feel for a plain test cycle before you start adding shit. + if you do decide to keep the deca, it needs to be ran longer than 10 weeks, 14-16 weeks is optimum for deca.

I would recommend not using the sust, just use test e 2x250mg per week. Sust is a bit overkill for a first cycle

Clomid and/or nolva should be used for PCT.
I'm not sure about clomid dosages though nolva dosages go like 40/40/20/20 for most people.
Research clomid and nolva and make your decision yòurself. Both would probably be best.

How long have you been lifting? Also could you give an example of a weight lifting days routine?

Make sure you know all this stuff before considering a cycle -

Diet
Pct
Side effects of test - gyno, hair loss, blood pressure...
what drugs to get/take to prevent/stop side effects of test. Google SERMs and aromitase inhibitors
How to train/lift properly, avoiding over/undertraining
how to inject properly into what muscles, and aspiration and sterilising the injection site.

I'm sure I've missed a few things, this is by no means an exclusive list of things you need to know.

Good luck
 
Is there a reason you're running Sust then switching to test e?

Sounds like a formula for some roller-coaster test levels. You want to keep that testosterone release as smooth as possible.
 
Drop the Sustanon. Stick to Test E. Drop the Deca. Stick to 500mg of Test E for the whole cycle. Steroids aren't opiates, you don't have to cycle.

Your first cycle should be this:

Weeks 1-15: 500mg Testosterone Enathate per week

Weeks 1-5: 50mg of Dianabol a day

Weeks 1-15: 0.25mg - 0.50mg of Anastrozole a day

Weeks 17-21: 20mg of Tamoxifen every day

Weeks 17-21: 50mg of Clomiphene every day

And before going ,on the gear get your body fat down to 10%.
 
Thanks for the replies...

Nolys- Ive been lifting pretty much steady since highschool save the odd break here and there. I do a 3 day split, bench about 200 and squat around 300 and cardio 3-4 days a week for 40 min. I should mention part of the reason Deca was suggested is that I have had two back surgeries related to a workplace accident. neither was successful and I was told that Deca would help with the plateau Ive been at and that it would help with my back issues.

Renz Envy- I really dont know why the switch but I think because sust would work better starting out, take effect quicker?? not 100% sure on this though but I think he said because of the faster acting esters found in this as compared to the test-E.

Bare in mind, I dont have a bunch of friends in this circle and have basically been going off of what the one friend I reasonably trust has said and I have put faith mostly because I dont know where to get this stuff and dont trust just some dude nor the internet for this kind of thing. He knows my situation for the most part and he portrayed this to his friend, ("we can call him the man..:P).
"The man" suggested what I have listed above and provided me with so far: 10ml sust250, 10ml test-e250 and 10ml Deca300 to start out. After doing some due dilligence I have read many things that jive with this proposed schedule but also conflicting information as well.
Please know that I am not professing to know a whole bunch nor am I here to cause trouble. Just in the process of starting out and was hoping for some pointers in the right direction, as my friend is of the attitude that "the man" knows all and that I should just shut-it and do as he says..lol

Thanks again for any help offered, it is much appreciated
 
working on the BF;), which coupled with sorting this all out first is why I'm planning to start July 1...%)
 
If you want to run something while waiting for the test to kick in, run a 4-week oral like Dbol or superdrol

Playing around with a bunch of test esters is only going to mess with your receptors.
 
Renz Envy said:
Playing around with a bunch of test esters is only going to mess with your receptors.
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Why would taking Sustanon then switching to Enanthate mess with androgen receptors..?

Its all the same testosterone, just the esters are different causing the testosterone to be released into the blood at different rates..!
 
Genetic Freak said:
Why would taking Sustanon then switching to Enanthate mess with androgen receptors..?

Its all the same testosterone, just the esters are different causing the testosterone to be released into the blood at different rates..!
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^^^ This.

Though just stick with the test e for a first cycle. IMO the first cycle is about learning, experiance, and learning how you react to testosterone.
Add in a new substance with each new cycle so if you start getting sides, you know what's causing it and you can leave it out in future.

My plan -

1st cycle - test e 15weeks 500mg
2nd cycle - test e 12/15 weeks + dianabol 4-6 weeks
3rd cycle - test e, deca, dbol 15 weeks

If I were to run my 3rd cycle first and got gyno, is it progestorone gyno? Or estro gyno? Do I use armidex/letro to or do I use bromo? For next cycle anyway to control it

See what I mean?

I'm by no means an expert and may have got something wrong so could voxide or guido chime in here and correct me if nessecery?
 
nolys said:
^^^ This.

Though just stick with the test e for a first cycle. IMO the first cycle is about learning, experiance, and learning how you react to testosterone.
Add in a new substance with each new cycle so if you start getting sides, you know what's causing it and you can leave it out in future.

My plan -

1st cycle - test e 15weeks 500mg
2nd cycle - test e 12/15 weeks + dianabol 4-6 weeks
3rd cycle - test e, deca, dbol 15 weeks

If I were to run my 3rd cycle first and got gyno, is it progestorone gyno? Or estro gyno? Do I use armidex/letro to or do I use bromo? For next cycle anyway to control it

See what I mean?

I'm by no means an expert and may have got something wrong so could voxide or guido chime in here and correct me if nessecery?
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Hypothetical question...? Considering your first cycle contained Test @ 500mg/week, and your second contained Test @ 500mg/week + dbol.... If you didn't experience gyno from either cycle, you might assume Test + dbol aren't part of the problem .......

If you subsequently acquire gyno when Deca is added to the cycle, you might conclude that is where the problem lies.....

Deca...... (Nandrolone) being a 19-nor compound is a Progestin, & happens to stimulate the Progesterone receptor...... Anti-progesteronic drugs are advised with deca like: Bromocriptine-Cabergoline..... ....!!!!!!.... BUT....!!!!!

19-nors, Nandrolone/Trenbolone work on different pathways than Test, so cause different Estrogen/Progesterone sides, you shouldn't have any problems with Deca up to 500mg/week Provided Test is higher 750mg..... (I'd personally suggest a bit lower).... You need raised Estrogen levels to have synergy with Progesterone to convert to Prolactin at the Pituitary. So you can use an AI Aromasin, or Femera on 19-nor cycles to knock this out.................

As you can see Estrogen seems to be the problem that causes Prolactin when combined with Progesterone... It seems logical to me to knock-out Estrogen.....

That's how I see it...... If I'm wrong someone Please correct me.....


Regards dosage of Test/Deca............ when I first started out many years ago I'd pin 500mg Test-E/week...... 400mg Deca/week taken in 2 doses Sunday-Wednesday...
I managed the first 12 years on just Test-Deca and didn't have any problems....... But that was me..!!!

If Deca turns out to be a problem, swap to Boldernone......

In vitro, LSD was found to be a partial agonist and potentiates dopamine-mediated prolactin secretion in lactotrophs...... :)
 
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