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thatonedude777

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Backstory: So I underwent surgery and was given oxycodone(10mg) but my doctor doesn't realize I have no pain tolerance and my surgery requires 2-4 weeks of recovery and only gave me 1 script (no, this pain is no manageable with ibuprofen/APAP and tried for 3 days but couldn't take it). So recently I've acquired 20 5mg/500mg APAP vicodins (20 just to make sure and I like to have some lying around for rare occasions of pain) but the problem is, my kidney and liver levels were near the danger zone when I had my last checkup a year ago. So I try to NOT take ibuprofen and APAP under any circumstances (headache? sucks to be me, won't take anything) so I'm trying to get information the CWE which NO ONE seems to be able to answer and is rather annoying because they talk about everything BUT my question

Question: How many mg on average if using 1/8th cup or 30ml per 4 pills (20mg) how many mg of hydrocodone on a CWE? Are we talking 2,3,4,5mg? If I'm looking for 20mg should I just use 25mg or maybe 22.5mg? I'm looking to break up 20mg for two doses.
 
factors such as your filter, the type of pill, your method, etc make it impossible for anyone to give you a definitive number. why cant you figure it out without bitching of others not able to?

simply add an extra pill in to assure you get as close to the desired dose youre after. or swallow an extra pill on top of the extraction.

its not rocket science.
 
Do you have a background in chemistry? (I'm not talking phd level here; a basic knowledge will do).
If so, you should look into solvent extractions; some of these are seriously effective, and very simple, and it's easy as hell to extract every last mg of pure codeine.

SWE's were all the rage on the net around 10 years ago, but for some reason CWE became universal, and I struggle to see why, given the yields extracted.
Maybe I'm simply no good at cwe, but I personaly wouldn't go back to it.
 
tentram said:
factors such as your filter, the type of pill, your method, etc make it impossible for anyone to give you a definitive number. why cant you figure it out without bitching of others not able to?

simply add an extra pill in to assure you get as close to the desired dose youre after. or swallow an extra pill on top of the extraction.

its not rocket science.
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When I say annoying it's the fact that they don't even care to explain how factors different, not to mention usually it's possible to ballpark. I'm not looking for an definitive number but a number range. It's like not giving constructive answers and feedback and just arbitrary information. So I guess if you want to call it bitching, alright, cool but that's not very constructive and seems like a slight overreaction. That tid bit was mostly to inform others who love to respond about how this was asked hundreds of times and just giving my explanation as to why I posted this instead of hearing "just do a search"

I do have alittle chemistry background but not confident enough to do more than process information in front of me rather than go around acting like I'm Heisenberg

Although from what I'm gathering I could lose almost all the the hydrocodone or keep most of it but no way of knowing until I rinse and repeat the process to find a dosage that works.
 
Heisenberg...? Oh, the cool guy from breaking bad.
Anyway's I'm researching the hell out of this and I promise to pm you my old formula as soon as I can find the thing on the net. I remember the recipe itself it's just the damn solvent that eludes me.

Speak to you soon.
 
If your using lab grade filters and the correct water/powder ratio and have a general good lab technique then you should only use 10-20% of the end product. with shoddy materials and/or bad technique it will be more like 30-50%.
To the above poster: I think the reason that CWE has become so popular over SE is because CWE has significantly less (like zero.lol) chance of setting yourself or your home on fire.
 
I've never heard of SE but would be interested in finding out- Anyway I live in the UK and have Codeine phosphate and paracetamol 30/500 I just throw 10 or more pills in a glass, at water about a 1/4 of the small glass. Put in the fridge and 5 minitues later the paracetamol is at the bottom and clear liquid above. Filter in to another glass with a clean t-shirt or even a paper towel works well as you can squeeze all of the solution out and keep the white sludge which is paracetamol or acetamotiphen in the US in the towel. Then I have a small glass of water that is clear left.

I then add some more cold water to the sludge of white (to get as much codeine out of it that I can) and let it drip through or if I'm in a hurry squeeze it, yes I may get some white in the codeine but it's minimal. I think I'm lucky with the pills I have which are solpadol and they dissolve very easily...
 
SE is just shorthand for solvent extraction (sometimes SBE: solvent based extraction).
Being as this is a HR orientated forum, I cant in good conscience tell you how to perform a solvent based extraction when cold water extraction is much safer.
The only differences I would make to your cwe tech would be to get some decent filters (even paper coffee filters are ok) and dont squeeze the filters to get the last of solution through as you will force paracetamol into the final solution. A second wash-through with ice water is more then sufficient and put 1 more tablet in then you require, to make up for any lost yield.
 
Yeah, you're going to risk a fiery end by using a solvent, if you're not careful...

As to the OP's desire for figures re yields from water extractions, I guess there are ways to calculate this. As I posted in another thread, you could evaporate your filtered solution, and then weigh your codeine residue on a micro-scale, although I'm not sure if you'll lose some drug in the evaporation. (My solvent technique netted me 760 mgs for 100 8/500 mg co-codamol pills the one time I weighed it; I never tried measuring codeine extracted via CWE).

BTW does anybody know what colour codeine phosphate should appear as, without binders/fillers etc ? My solvent-filtered codeine was always a pale yellow colour.
 
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So far as I know codeine is a white/off white crystalline powder with no smell and a salty/bitter taste. If yours ended up yellow then its likely there was left over impurities from the solvent/s used.
 
The texture/ taste was just right, and it was odourless, but yeah, chemical impurities would make sense (it was a relatively crude extraction I used).
Oh well, it doesn't matter now; I haven't done it for many years.
 
I've often wondered if anyone has tried the method used in Afghanistan to remove the M from the O. They just drop in (quick)lime which forms an insoluble calcium salt which can simply be filtered out?
 
It's not something I've done myself, but yeah, they add lime and boil it in water; the useless shit falls to the bottom and a white layer forms at the top (morphine). I think they take this and process it into morphine base by reboiling it in ammonia. From there, it gets far more technical as the base is refined into heroin. It's obviously a lot more complex than that (trust me, I'm no chemist or "Heisenberg"; my bedroom codeine extracting adventures were very crude in nature). Erowid has some really in-depth articles on the various extraction and refining procedures, they really are invaluable for info like that. It's a very interesting subject imo

Speaking of which, it won't be long before poppy-planting season rolls around....
 
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Its actually relatively simple the process morphine into heroin, you are after all only manipulating the morphine slighty to create diacetyl-morphine. It doesnt require any specialised equipment just some basic chems and a working knowledge of the synthesis.
The people producing heroin arent heisenbergs either.lol
The non water soluable salt created by reacting opium with slaked lime is morphine malenate, I think, I doubt anyones interested (lol) but I thought I would throw it out there.
 
I've heard they can make it in seriously crude "laboratories" consisting of no more than oil drums (at least the base), but I had no idea it was fairly simple refining it into the "end product"....

Saying that, I also just saw a documentary (drug inc btw) turning coca base into a kilo of high-grade coke within a few minutes; it's crazy how simple he made it look!
 
Its simple with coke and morphine because your not trying to synthesize a new chemical from various other chems, just extract an already present drug from the plant and then isolate it.
Its really not alot more complicated then baking a cake (just a bit more dangerous, and alot more illegal.lol).
 
This is a reminder that synthesis discussion is verboten. If anything is said about how to actually acetylate the morphine there will be infractions.

Also, let's try and get this back on topic? :)
 
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Apologies for throwing the thread off track, I have the bad habit of going off on tangents.
I assure you I had no intention of giving any solid information on the acetylisation of morphine, the bluelight shrine would be in a sadder state then it already is if that information was floating around here.
I know my comments were on the line, but I think (?) I stayed on the right side.
Anyway, apologies again (and to the OP).
 
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