CWE doesn't seem to work (Paracetamol/Codeine)

[MetalHead91]

Hey,
It's probably been asked many times but I couldn't find anything useful:
I got 20 Rockacet pills which are 500 mg Paracetamol/30 mg Caffeine/10 mg Codeine Phosphate, I tried several CWE methods and none seem to work.
The pills are yellow and no matter what technique I'll use, I'm always left with a very clowdy strong yellow liquid.
Is it possible that CWE won't work with this brand?
FURTHER INFORMATION- In addition to the active ingredients, the medicine also contains • ,Polyvinylpyrrolidone, Pregelatinised starch, Sodium starch glycolate Stearic acid, Lactose, Hydroxypropyl methylcellulose,Titanium dioxide, Polyethylene glycol, D&C Yellow #10 Lake, Iron oxide.yellow and Iron oxide red.Each caplet contains up to 0.4 mg sodium The preparation contains lactose and may cause sensitivity in patients sensitive to lactose

Thanks and sorry for any spelling/grammar mistakes i might have.

 

[HeadHigh]

Are you allowing for the paracetamol to condense at the bottom of the container and then filtering the liquid through a filter? What was the method you used?

 

[MetalHead91]

The problem is that I don't see two layers where one should be the Paracetamol and one should be the Codeine, I did filter it (twice even).
The method I used is:
Crushing the pills (if not crushed they wont dissolve at all), then put them in luke warm water and stir (tried tap water on other occasion), then put it in the freezer for about 20-30 mins.
At that point I was supposed to get 2 different layers no? Anyway, I filtered it using a Paper towel and the liquid before filtering looked exactly the same as after..
I also tried "COLD WATER EXTRACTION made simple(r)"
Did I do something wrong?

 

[MetalHead91]

Sorry for double posting, but any help?
Don't wanna end up taking too much Paracetamol.
Thanks.

 

[HeadHigh]

thats definitely the right method, so i wouldnt worry about it, but yes, there should have been a layer of undissolved acetaminophen/paracetamol on the bottom, and the codeine would be dissolved in the water

 

[throughthewormhole]

What are you using as a filter and how much water are you using it may be just a dye seeping through but I need to know all this to tell you

 

[MetalHead91]

I'm using a paper towel.
I haven't really measured how much water I used, about 1 normal glass for about 8 pills..

 

[belligerent drunk]

Using a coffee filter is so far the easiest filter I think. The codeine gets dissolved in the water, so you're interested in the liquid solution. After crushing and mixing with water you should get a milky (or yellowy as in your case) solution, the suspension does settle after some time, but it's not crucial. After filtering, the solution will not be perfectly clear, but that's not a problem. As long as there's not much stuff floating around, it's okay.

It's actually hard to get a clear solution. I once decided to vacuum filter it on a glass filter with pretty small pores, but the filtrate was still the same kind of suspension. The insoluble particles are really-really small, which is also why they don't settle.

 

[MrRoot]

^ What about centrifucking those bastard particles in to order? All you need is a dc-motor and a controller. You can then tie pantyhoses into that stepper motor's pole and run that as a centrifuge.

 

[belligerent drunk]

^ depends on how small the particles are. It's possible to do it, but if they're not big enough, you may need a bigger centrifuge than one you can construct from a DC motor in your garage.

 

[MetalHead91]

Should I see something left on the paper towel used as filter? i mean, the liquid before and after looks almost the same..

 

[MrRoot]

You should have as much goo left im the filter as you put pills into your solution if done correctly.

Paper towels dont work imho. Use a coffee or lab filter.

 

[AnythingEverything]

I would also recommend using a coffee filter for sure. Also WAAAAAAYYY less water than a glass full. AND COLD WATER!

You should be left with gunk in the filter if it's done right. That will be the APAP and any non water soluble fillers. I would say the yellow colouring, iron etc in those tablets will mean your resulting liquid will always be yellow but if you're keft with some gunk then you're removing at least some of the APAP. At only 8 pills that will take you under the toxic dose even if you don't get it all out (you'll never get it all but you can come close.)

If all else fails, try a different brand. It should work though as paracetamol isn't water soluble.

 

[HeadHigh]

I disagree with the claim that paper towels dont work, Ive used them every time ive done a CWE and it usually works much better for me than a coffee filter

 

[Treefa]

First get a goddamn coffee filter, folded in half, put it in the mouth of a clean, empty, cold/room temp mason jar. SECOND, WAYYY Too much water. For 8 pills you should use NO MORE than 15-16 MILLILITERS of water, not a fucking GLASS, dude!
Next, don't put them in warm water, why would you do that?
It is a completely unnessacary step, and honestly every single time I've done it with the warm water/re-chill method, not only has it not worked as well, but I ALWAYS encountered serious problems trying to filter it that way, because the stuff is in a sludge.

The way I've found to work, is to finely powder your pills, and put in a small 1/4 cup measuring cup etc...get your coffe filter ready in the mason jar, and pour 2-4ml of COLD WATER thru the filter first to prevent wasting your solution in the dry filter via wicking action.

Last but not least, your setup is ready to filter, so go ahead and add ICE COLD WATER to your pills....NOT WARM WATER, Not HOT water, NOT fucking room temp...COLD WATER, water over ice, not that rare.
So add youre appropriate amount of ICE COLD WATER, and stir that shit like crazy, like you're beating scrambled eggs, stir for 30 second or so. (PROBABLY no more than 2ml water per pill, works for norco)

Finally pour it in the filter then, GENTLEY man-handle that filter (I usually fold it into 1/4's at this point) as to squeeze your water through....it's OK if theres still some water in your filter HERES WHY; you are going to take the SAME AMOUNT OF COLD WATER, and pour it through your filter, this is the second run....same squeeze procedure. Second run should be squeezed as dry as possible, into glass, without breaking the filter....it helps to have air pockets, etc...and keep your fingers above the filtrate(sludge) because squeezing from the top down is best, and runs less risk of breaking.
Now you've got some clear liquid, with maybe a very small amount of powder, but it should NOT be cloudy, unless you have different inactives, and yellow is just coloring, so don't worry.

AT this point your really done, I usually open the filter back up, put it in the jar and run a THIRD AND FINAL batch of water thru, this time letting it filter itself while ya' take the time to clean up, make some hot tea, piss, and round up the other 5 or 6 unrefined pills you can take before APAP becomes a problem.

Then eat up your max # of normal pills(if you wish that is, I do, the APAP smells good in my nose, IDK how that works, but I like it, sorry liver)(keep APAP dose under 2,000mg/dose and you should be fine, under 3.5/day), drink some boiling hot tea, wait about 4-6 minutes till you think they're dissolving in your stomach, then down you're CWE so that both the pills and solution should be getting absorbed at exactly the same time, instead of the solution coming on before the pills, which leads to a more gradual peak.
This way everything comes on at once.

DISCLAIMER; i'm not a medical professional, this is not advice you should take, in fact I think you should put those pills back in the medicine cabinet until you pull a muscle, or run out of heroin. Because unless you're in a lot of pain, or a desperate opiate addict, there is literally no reason for you to be doing this...if you ignore THIS advice, and experiment with addictive drugs anyways, be warned that sooner than you imagine you WILL be in a lot of pain, and you WILL be desperate.

Godspeed, Goodnight Bluelight.

P.S. i'm assuming you're more likely than not a kid experimenting with drugs, and NOT already an addict. If that's the case, 8X30mg codeine is probably way too much for you anyways, it has a ceiling dose, and if you have no tolerance to opiates you will be sick, and might overdose.
In any case, 4,000 mg of Apap isn't going to kill you unless you're either A.)very unhealthy, or B.) you take massive doses like that of Tylenol everyday, C.)you've got cirrhosis already, or D.) are allergic to it, or unless you weigh under like, 200 lbs or so. If Tylenol was as dangerous as some people make out like, man i'd be dead as a fucking brick.


Believe it or not kid, if you treat your body good, someday you'll be old enough that the doctors will probably give you some pretty decent pain killers that you won't have to play "breaking bad" with, in order to for them to work!

 

[AnythingEverything]

^^ He's only has 10mg codeine pills, the 30 is caffeine, so only 80mg, which isn't too much. Agree and I think i said it as well, the 4000 APAP is ok if this person is healthy so even if only some of the APAP is being removed you're going to be fine with that.

 

[shisoshin]

I'm using a paper towel.
I haven't really measured how much water I used, about 1 normal glass for about 8 pills..

for apap removal, less water is best.. i use 40ml h2o
for 17 x 15/500 panadeine+ [8,500mg apap]
filtered at 8degC [by fluid thermometer] results in
about 9mg/ml or 360mg apap in final product
of 255mg Codeine, less about 20% loss, as i junk
first filter apap gunk as contraindicated for apap,,
get more C - and apap - if refiltering apap 'marshmallow'..

more h2o gives more access to filter surface,
but even so, you certainly dont need a glass of h20
for 8 tabs... all that does is allow more apap
into your final product..
[9 x 40 = 360mg apap in 40ml h20,
9 x 250 = 2,250mg apap in your glass]
using 50ml h20 still less 500mg apap [1 tab]..

bear in mind 4000mg is an unrealistic max apap dose..
harm reductionists have called for a 2000mg max dose..

on paper towels, while i use lab filters, have tried coffee,
and bamboo paper towels doubled and redoubled,
which produces a good drip rate and did a good job
with the apap junk ['marshmallow'] in first filter run..

on colour/cloudiness, mine may be slightly, cloudy after
first run [incl 4xtowel filter] but clear as a bell thru
a lab filter, nice lemon bitter taste..

i crush in a cooled shallow bowl to fine powder, mix in 40ml
tapwater [25d] - should have started settling out -
into fridge 10mins to cool [about 16d], aggitate
and into freezer taking care to not start icing,,
where a fluid thermometer is very handy..
[icing apparently can damage codeine]

when about 8deg into first filter run and into fridge..
then/if refiltering, reduce solution temp again,
filter2, repeat same for/if third filter run..
[my 2nd/3rd filters no discernable apap]

if squeezing gunk in filter place it in a piece of cloth
[anything] which will prevent a spill if filter splits open..
there is a trick to it, starting twist from the top,
keeping light finger pressure on main bulging part
while squeezing with other hand/fingers..

if going for harm minimisation like me, start with
more tabs and just junk first run apap..
if in doubt, dont bother..
codeine isnt for everyone, its subtle
and will seem like nothing to some..