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Cutting black tar heroin with methamphetamine (for personal use)

blime84

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lately SWIM, who has been using Black Tar= Heroin(BTH) on a daily basis for the last 10 years and using Meth occasionally over the last 10 years rhas started using meth more regularly. He smokes both products only(sometimes snorts, but rarely). A`nyhow, firstly he has noticed that smoking the meth, in addition to helping him sty awake, has also allowed him reduce his daily BTH intake from 1.0-1.3 grams a day to 0.5-0.8 grams per day(this is very good quality tar, as he is close to the US/Mexico border and the connect does not cut it(also doersnt speak english, and will not sell less than a piece in one transaction(25g at lewiast or nothing) The Tar is typically Solid black chunks which are rock hard and need a kniffe to break thwm apart . They are usually dusted with a brown powder(the stuff probably comes witgh powder in the kilo size, but the powder is not as strong, seems to be the non-active ingredents mainly, Ton fhis person smokes in 2 ways, in the past mainly on foil when he used to be further north in California, but with the high quality stuff he uses 2 paper clips, heating one and applying it to the other to produce smoke(similar to hot knife method for hash. This tends to be more efficient and creates less trash.

*Side note, for smoking on the paper clips, this person has found a way to judge quality of tar with several hits, the taste of the tar is a major indicating factor.More pure shit will have a smoother flavor which is very specific in taste. Additionally, when taking hits on the clips, the stuff that is of high quality will always turn part of the remaining chunk on the clip white on parts of it, just on the surface. (BTW, I am curious, does anyone have an explanation for this? I tried to research it and no luck.... The white does not happen smoking off foil.

SWIM also started smoking meth more often recently to help keep nods away. He noticed his needs for Blac k went down 30-40% daily when mixing the 2 substandces, and the tar makes it possible to go to sleep at normal hours with no proble,. SWIM is enjoying this, but the main issue is carrying around multiple pariphanelia. Today, SWIM Had a new idea to try, he took his meth bag he bought yesterday, took a shard of meth and crushed it for like snorting. He then took a piece of the tar and heated it up to where it was pliable. He then poured the meth he had crushed into the tar and rolled them together, then placed them on the clip and smoked it like regular tar.... Has anyone else done this? Is he wasting the meth by not using a normal pipe, or is the differenee negligable? also, when doing this, the flavor has changed a bit and for some reason, he gets more head rush than when he smokes meth or tar first then follows up with the other.

Can someone give me pros anx cons to this? if you did it, what ratio did you use(he did 1 part meth to 2-3 parts tart.(BTW he has tried slamming; only the tar, no interest in slamming meth, and the experience was not worth wasting his veirns on... if he wants a faster rush, he just takes 1-2grams of tar and eats it. 20 min later it feels lmost like slamming, but no itch where u shot and maybe a little less intense.... At this point just want the answers to my main questions -0

--- why does good black tar turn white in spots when smoking it off clips?
---- Pros and Cons to rolling crushed up meth into tar and smoking iit off clips?
---- why does need for tar go down so much when using meth, actullyfeel high off less, and same amount of time passes before needinfg to use again
---- why is the purest tar from what I have seen lately solid rock hard chunks, while powder is trash, because in the past, I saw brown powder which was amazigly good(BTW, I had a friend of mine bring some afgan brown h which was supposed to be good quality and a bit pricey(about 3-6x the price of tar), yet the good quality tar he had was the same quality as afghan if not better.... Anyone know what the purity of tar in LA ranges from? based on what I have heard, the stuff that turns white on clips goes 60-90%..... I am sure it is pretty close to this I think, as SWIM used to live about 150 miles north of LA and he started coming to LA because the tar here was 4-6x stronger on average and the price was the same essentially(execept in bulk, like *snip*or more, in that case, it was about 3-4x the price at *snip* but if buying single grams, price difference is only *snipped - no price discussion*(if you get ripped off).... a lot of times it is even the same price.

may have some more questions, but will ask later
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Hi there welcome to BL. Dont use swim man its useless and wont change shit. Neither your dog or you alien buddy from jupiter instead of just using ''I,Me''. . And if you really intend to smoke meth daily, which i dont recommend at all, dont smoke it on paper clips youll just wate your product. Smoke your ice with the lightbulb method and thats all. I think you shouldnt mix both H and meth in the same ''smoking concoction'', but just smoke one after the other
 
dont do the lightbulb method, that shit is not healthy. Just go buy a 3$ pipe from a smoke shop. Just make sure you dont go in there and straight up ask for a meth pipe lol ask for a Oil Burner.

and honestly bro, i wouldn't mix that shit like that. My biological father died from mixing coke and heroin all the time, he shot it up as speedballs. Just do one or the other, preferably not the meth. I just did meth on friday for the first time in like 7years and i still haven't slept, and i totally remember why i haven't done it in so long. I smoked way too much lol fucking hate this shit. Only reason I did it was cause this chik i've been hanging out with said she's always wanted to try having sex on meth, so I obliged.
 
^ I believe they are cutting it for their own consumption.
 
Please remove the SWIM from your post and use pronouns. Were all adults here and we all know its you that you're talking about. SWIM and the like only make your posts really hard to read and offer you no legal protection.

The real big con is that if you use this preparation you'll be addicted to both methamphetamine and heroin at the same time which I can't imagine being too much fun. But if you're going to do it anyway I would be really careful about dosing this stuff.

We can't give you advice on what a better deal is or discuss prices on this site.
 
it is for personal use, not sold like that, normally i have the glass dick for smoking the glass and clips for smoking the h, but when I mix together, feels like a stronger hit rather than going one after the other. Normally, I would use the meth first, then switch to h, then back to meth. Typically, about .1-.3 of meth a day smoked, .8-2g of tar smoked(Ddepending how much meth i have smoked to allow me to stay up, and on quality of the tar... I know the tar is very pure, as h users from other areas always puke when they use it.... i dont even give it to friedns from out of town who slam after my last incident. I had a buddy from Santa Barbara visit in LA, this guy was shooting between 1.5-3 g daily up there. I told him, please dont shoot more than a ,1 of this, its much stronger, he was cocky, shot a .2, lips turned purple and his eyes started twitching. I threw cold water on him and kept him awake for about 45 min till I felt he would stay alive.... fucked up part is he got mad when i threw the water on him...to give people an idea of the strength of the tar.... 1g a day keeps me nodding most of the day, meanwhile if I do Oxy, I need at least 450mg in a day to keep ok... but wont get me high... to even get a buzz off oxy i need to do at least 240mg, if my tolerance is higher, closer to 450mg....recently I got my hands on a bottle of 30mg morphines from my buddy who had a relative die. One day i used them instead of tar to get high. I used 35 of them to get similar effect to like 1.3 of tar for the dsay

Anyone know about why the good tar turns white when smoking clips... ive heard many rhings, but probably BS. One person said its the LAAM or the MOrphine in the tar as tar is not even majority heroin but rather another opiate from what I read.

i really want to hear if anyone else has tried mixing the 2 and smoking together as well as answers to my other questions
 
The heroin was really greatly appreciated, but not...

I normally would do this by myself...


I don't want to play the guessing game...

Guessing leads to overdoses..
 
I know you`re not supposed to apply direct flame to the crystal especially and it seems like this method would be more wasteful to me than just running the shit down some foil, but I see your point, I used to always forget a piece of burnt foil that would give me away somewhere.
 
I'm doing this right now actually. Been heavily dependent on H for 5 years. I've tried rehabs and quitting cold turkey, methadone clincs, all unsuccessful. This last time after I made it a week I started using meth. It has helped with the obsessive thoughts of using H and takes away almost all craving. It is clearly not an answer to the root of the problem but just the fact that its been about a month now off H is a miracle. Of course meth will fuck your shit up too.
 
The ratio of meth:heroin should be based on tolerance, not a fixed measurement. Meth is not easy to vaporize either, that's why a select couple methods are always strongly suggested (A meth pipe or a lightbulb) - Mixing it in the tar will just be wasting most of it. When drugs are mixed, the need for each goes down. That's because of synergy, and deals with both drugs crossing over the same receptor area in someway thus potentiating a shared effect. There's no real way to speculate on the purity observations, as you said... brown powder has been fire or dirt depending on the weather.
 
i actually did it like 3-4 times usually my tar is not gummy enough, i usually get a bag that has 2-3 super hard chunks, need a knife to break it and some powder at the bottom, usually a light brown, it is typically much weaker than the chunks, also wondering what purity is... usually high quality stuff turns white when smoked off clips, and hard stuff is better than gummy(unless u get that shit they get north of 2-3 hours of the border which is cut to shit w sugar n lactose
 
as ive heard meth and heroin smoke differently, so youd likely not be using the most efficient method and wasting one or the other.

also, that way you cant control your dosage as well, youd just smoke 50/50 all the time when maybe you want to smoke more of one and less of the other

but do whatever you want to do

the white shit could just be ash from over burning it?
 
in retrospect, smoking seperate is the way to go. As for the white turning when smoking, its not overburning it. It does not happen with crap tar, it only happens when smoking with clips, not on foil. Lastly, it seems to happen to the areas around where the clip hit, not directly where the clip hit. I may take a photo as noone here is comprehending this which is strange as in my circle 75% of people using know it. especiially longer term users I found out bout it 6 or 7 years ago. had noticed it as far back as 8 or 9, but didnt associate it right away
 
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