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Tryptamines Current state of knowledge about endogenous DMT

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The biosynthesis of DMT is not limited to plants. In fact, it has been found to be endogenously produced in a number of animals, including rabbits,136 rats,137,138 and humans.139 A recent review analyzed 69 published studies from 1955−2010 that attempted to measure putative endogenous psychedelics such as DMT, 5-OH-DMT (i.e., bufotenin), and 5-MeO-DMT in human body fluids (e.g., urine, blood, and cerebral spinal fluid).131 The authors conclude that there is overwhelming evidence that humans produce DMT and 5-OH-DMT, but that data regarding 5-MeO-DMT is less conclusive. Many early studies measuring DMT levels in animals have been criticized for their lack of specificity; however, these early results have been confirmed recently using highly sensitive and specific modern analytical methods such as liquid chromatography tandem mass spectrometry (LC−MS/MS).138 Furthermore, specific diets, antibiotics, and other medications do not seem to influence DMT levels in humans,131 making it likely that DMT is produced endogenously rather than originating from the ingestion of plant material, the production by gut microbiota, or the metabolism of pharmaceutical agents. Now that the presence of DMT in humans has been firmly established, further research needs to be done to determine if endogenously produced DMT can influence brain function or is simply an insignificant metabolic product of tryptophan metabolism.

The enzyme indolethylamine N-methyltransferase (INMT) catalyzes the methylation of a variety of biogenic amines, and is responsible for converting tryptamine into DMT in mammals.140 Homologous proteins to human INMT have been found in several animals141,142 with the human and rabbit forms being 88% identical.140 Human INMT is expressed in most tissues including the brain with the lungs exhibiting the highest levels of expression.140,143 Interestingly, the ex vivo activity of INMT varies as a function of age with INMT preparations from the perinatal period exhibiting the greatest activity.26 This difference in activity does not seem to be a result of changes in enzyme expression as a function of age, but rather from changes in the levels of an unidentified endogenous, dialyzable, peptidic inhibitor of INMT that represses native activity of the enzyme.144,145 In principle, rapid degradation of this inhibitor could allow for precise temporal control of DMT biosynthesis.

Our current understanding of the function (or lack thereof) of endogenous DMT is severely limited by our lack of knowledge regarding exactly when and where this molecule is produced in the body.131 To date, most studies have attempted to measure DMT levels in body fluids (e.g., blood and urine); however, measuring local changes in metabolism within specific regions of the body is likely to yield more useful information due to the rapid metabolism of DMT as well as the fact that INMT activity varies as a function of tissue type (e.g, it is highest in the lungs). Microdialysis experiments are useful in this regard, and one such study recently detected DMT in the pineal gland of rats.138 Several authors have hypothesized that DMT secreted from the pineal gland might give rise to dreams, mystical states, and various sensations associated with near-death experiences.6,146 However, others have argued that the small size of the pineal gland make it unlikely to be able to produce the quantity of DMT estimated to be necessary to produce a mystical experience (ca. 25 mg of DMT within a few minutes for a 75 kg individual).147 As DMT rapidly crosses the blood−brain barrier after entering the bloodstream (vide supra), a large, highly vascularized peripheral organ expressing high levels of INMT, such as the lungs, seems a more likely source of DMT than either the brain or pineal gland. Though challenging, lung microdialysis studies148 would shed light on this issue.

While very little is known about the synthesis and biodistribution of endogenous DMT, it is clear that under normal physiological conditions, DMT is produced in exceedingly small quantities, causing it to be labeled a trace amine. The single most important question for the field to answer is whether or not endogenous DMT is produced in sufficient quantities to have meaningful biological effects. As DMT is an inhibitor of INMT,143,149 it is likely that such product inhibition of the enzyme limits the amount of DMT that can be synthesized rapidly, making it unlikely that the concentration of endogenous DMT could exceed the threshold for inducing hallucinogenic effects or mystical experiences, except for maybe under extreme conditions. However, endogenous DMT does not need to reach high concentrations to exert significant effects on mammalian physiology. Ly and coworkers demonstrated that a subhallucinogenic dose of DMT in rodents (based on allometric scaling of a hallucinogenic human dose)150 can produce long-lasting changes in neural plasticity.46

Currently, we do not know how DMT concentrations change as a function of age, sex, or behavioral state. There is preliminary evidence from the 1970s suggesting that endogenous DMT production in rats increases following stress, specifically after experiencing electric shocks.133 Both our lab and others have demonstrated that high acute doses of DMT result in anxiogenic effects such as increased immediate freezing following foot shocks, decreased exploratory activity in the open field, and less time spent in the open arms of an elevated plus maze.52,98,151,152 However, we have also shown that DMT promotes structural and functional plasticity in the prefrontal cortex46 and facilitates fear extinction learning.52 It is possible that in rodents, endogenous DMT produced during stress serves an adaptive or protective role by (1) potentiating initial fear responses (e.g., increased freezing and reduced time spent in open spaces) and/or (2) promoting structural plasticity in the prefrontal cortex, thus facilitating fear extinction learning and preventing the formation of pathological fear memories. If true, this would have important implications for understanding the pathophysiology of post-traumatic stress disorder. However, it is also possible that stress does not increase endogenous DMT concentrations to levels sufficient for causing changes in behavior or plasticity.

As a final thought, endogenous DMT might play a greater role in neurodevelopment than in adult physiology. First, INMT activity is highest during development.26 Second, Ly and coworkers have demonstrated that DMT is a potent psychoplastogen capable of inducing the growth of dendrites and dendritic spines while also promoting synaptogenesis.46 Moreover, DMT likely mediates its effects on neural plasticity via an evolutionarily conserved mechanism, as psychedelics are capable of promoting neurite outgrowth in both Drosophila and rodent neurons.46 At this point, any potential role for endogenous DMT in normal mammalian physiology should be considered highly speculative at best, and new research in this area is necessary to close this knowledge gap.

Dark Classics in Chemical Neuroscience: N,N-Dimethyltryptamine (DMT). Lindsay P. Cameron, David E. Olson. Jul 23, 2018. ACS Chemical Neuroscience, 9, 10, 2344–2357. DOI: 10.1021/acschemneuro.8b00101 (ENDOGENOUS PRODUCTION IN ANIMALS, pages 2349–2350)
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The DMT Debate w/ Dr. Jon Dean (dmtquest.org YouTube channel)

The DMT Debate #2 w/ Dr. Steven Barker (dmtquest.org YouTube channel)
 
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A recent review analyzed 69 published studies from 1955−2010
is not very recent,
human endogenous DMT is not a significant finding, but many researchers have obtained funding anyway, leaving a meaningless trail such as this recent analysis.
 
I seriously doubt that DMT naturally occurs anywhere in the body in physiologically relevant concentrations, even considering activity of "microdoses". However, I believe that the functional pathway activated by psychedelics like LSD and DMT but not serotonin is also probably activated by other endogenously produced ligands---likely certain proteins and/or RNA sequences. Presumably most if not all of these have yet to be discovered.
 


Humans have extraordinary abilities that range from the physical to the mental and spiritual. The pineal gland within the human brain is responsible for producing and releasing a natural powerful psychedelic molecule known as DMT, dimethyltrptamine. DMT has been linked to birth, death, and reincarnation, as well as a multitude of other fascinating experiences. This guide shows how to activate the pineal gland and control the release of this molecule into the human body for use on command. Dreams, visions, fractals, and many odd phenomenon can be traced to the pineal gland, but there are also benefits in learning this meditation technique. From increased energy to happiness and treating depression to heightened mental control, DMT has the ability to expand human consciousness. Part of its function within the body is the healing factor know to self heal mentally and physically. This guide will also focus on body awareness, sensing and utilizing internal energy, and opening up people's minds to a powerful and eye opening experience that is not found in modern academia and colleges. A meditation practice long forgotten and buried in secrecy is at your fingertips, but ready for only those who have the courage to make the mental journey.

-Increased Vitality on Command
-Treat and Mitigate Depression
-Find Happiness Within and Around
-Greater Perspective on Life
-Awareness of Internal Energy and Frequencies
-Increased Mental Strength and Abilities
-Self Heal, Relaxation, and Calmness



Keywords: Adrian Bolio
 
DMTx to endo-DMTx?

The extended-state DMTx technology has the potential to transform mental health therapies and massively expand the reaches of our exploration of DMT realms.
But what if we could eliminate external substances and needles entirely, harnessing instead our body’s own endogenous DMT production machinery?

We’ve known since the 1950s that DMT naturally occurs in human blood and cerebrospinal fluid. Recent research shows that DMT levels in mammalian brains rival key neurotransmitters like serotonin and dopamine, suggesting it might play an essential role in brain function. Yet, we still have minimal understanding of how DMT production is regulated within the brain.

Imagine being able to “hack” our endogenous DMT system—switching DMT production on and off at will, without invasive infusion methods. This is the future we call endo-DMTx...

But, to get there, we must first pinpoint the internal mechanisms controlling endogenous DMT biosynthesis...

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Andrew Gallimore. 2025-09-05. twitter
 
Exploring DMT: Endogenous role and therapeutic potential. Schimmelpfennig, J., Jankowiak-Siuda, K. 2025. Neuropharmacology, 268, 110314. doi: 10.1016/j.neuropharm.2025.110314



aetheric.lifestyle 2025-09-18

OUR PSYCHEDELIC FASCIA

Endogenous melatonin, DMT and pinoline are our most powerful antioxidants and similar to melatonin, mitochondria throughout our body also produce DMT; as triggered by our brain's suprachiasmatic nucleus and the DMT production within our pineal gland.

All psychedelics expand our consciousness by connecting us to our subconscious and unconscious mind. And so, E-DMT (endogenous DMT) facilitates our deepest shadow-work by degree.

The mitochondrial metabolic pathway of oxidative phosphorylation creates structured water at the intracellular level throughout our fascia. This structured water is a precursor to our lymphatic fluid.

Structured water and lymphatic fluid of our fascia are distinct and serve different purposes, yet both imprint with electromagnetic frequencies (including thoughts and emotions). This is a fundamental way that our subtle emotional and mental bodies communicate and manifest, to our physical body.

Lymph is primarily involved in immune function, waste removal, and fluid balance; while structured water is involved in cellular communication, nutrient uptake, and energy production.

Through fascial release, that results from embodied form (postures) and movement, we may heal emotional traumas stored within our subtle emotional body. This, in turn, increases overall amperage (AKA vitality) as energy/information pathways are cleared.

Somatic techniques, such as embodied breathwork, postures, movement, and overall body awareness, play a critical role in fascial/emotional release. Coherent sound frequencies, like those of the Solfeggio, may also be introduced to amplify coherent resonance.

Here, our heightened state of awareness (induced by increased E-DMT) further amplifies the connection between our subtle bodies and our physical body. The ætheric lifestyle cultivates our healthy regulated release of E-DMT, through mitochondrial and pineal health. This, in part, is accomplished by ensuring that we possess a sound liquid crystal embedded throughout our fascia.

A-MMA (ætheric mixed movement arts) is an ætheric lifestyle practice that corresponds to the feminine earth element (form) and masculine air element (movement). Thus, A-MMA is shadow-work (facilitated by E-DMT) through embodied form and movement.

And so, when we come to know the elemental forces by heart, we come to know that we are one with nature, one with the æther; a message of the medium for source LOVE, where each quantum heart is a center of the mind of The All.












 
The below post was posted on Instagram and me and another person both made these two comments, unaware of each other's comment:


His comment:

Take an LSD-Trip and see how flexible you can be... and then you will know that it's only the brain that determines flexibility 😉


My comment:

No wonder "downers" like opioids, barbiturates, diazepines, and cannabis feel like magic for flexibility and no wonder "uppers" like amphetamine and cocaine also improve flexibility.

Also, this is an interesting comment from a kid on LSD:

"This tripping is {expletive} awesome! My body feels like a rubber band!"

Blumenfeld, L. (1991, August 18). The Acid Kids. The Washington Post. https://www.bluelight.org/community/threads/the-acid-kids.944263/


zhealth_performance 2025-10-05



Tissues (muscles, tendons, ligaments) have relatively fixed structural lengths. You can’t “lengthen” them through stretching any more than you can stretch a rope to make it longer 🤓

Your nervous system determines how much range of motion you’re allowed to access based on its threat assessment. Flexibility is primarily a neurological decision, not a tissue length issue (i.e. Stretch Tolerance) 🧠

If your brain perceives threat in a particular range of motion (due to poor proprioception, vestibular dysfunction, visual instability, or previous injury patterns), it will restrict that range regardless of how much you stretch 🧠

Instead of fighting against protective restrictions by forcing tissues to “lengthen,” we improve the sensory information your brain receives. When your nervous system feels safe, it automatically allows more range of motion ✅

If you’ve been stretching the same tight areas for months or years without lasting improvement, the problem isn’t that you haven’t stretched enough. The problem is you’re addressing the symptom, not the cause 🤓

Train the nervous system that controls flexibility, not the tissues it restricts 💪🏼

#zhealth #zhealthperformance #flexibility #mobility #stretching #appliedneuroscience


–Probably the primary reason psychedelics are good for sports.

‘Psychedelics and Extreme Sports’ by James Oroc. MAPS Bulletin: Spring 2011 Vol. 21, No. 1 Special Edition: Psychedelics & the Mind/Body Connection

Microdosing and playing sports - I experimented, and destroyed the game


Also this articles echoes the Instagram post copied into the above post:

https://www.psilocybinsf.com/blog/f...e-alchemy-of-depression-a-new-lens-on-healing

 
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Did a nonhuman intelligence modify the human genome (~790kya) in such a way as to include a built-in DMT hotline to their cosmic helpdesk?

Closer scrutiny of anomalous Human Accelerated Regions (HARs) in our genome is leading me to think this is the case.

Cross-species mapping of psychedelic gene expression reveals links to the 5HT2A receptor, cortical layers, and human accelerated regions. Lorenzo Pasquini, Patrick McConnell, Jackson Raffety et al. 2025-10-03. PREPRINT (Version 1) doi: 10.21203/rs.3.rs-7625999/v1

Bruce R. Fenton (@GeologicalSETI), 2025-10-08, h‌ttps://x.com/GeologicalSETI/status/1975963763821191322

 
I seriously doubt that DMT naturally occurs anywhere in the body in physiologically relevant concentrations, even considering activity of "microdoses". However, I believe that the functional pathway activated by psychedelics like LSD and DMT but not serotonin is also probably activated by other endogenously produced ligands---likely certain proteins and/or RNA sequences. Presumably most if not all of these have yet to be discovered.

Or the brain can flood serotonin to the point It hit the 5HT2A receptors that LSD/DMT love by brute force. Because DXM has zero 5HT2A activity yet through It SNRI activity It can rival high dose shrooms at 350mg going by infamous blind study by DXM syrup makers.
 
that we are chemically susceptible and responsive to DMT does not mean we evolved this susceptibility due to favorable responses to DMT, it means that this response has not worked against us or against our predecessors. It does not even mean that our ancestors had access to DMT or used it much at all.

We have many chemical and physical features that provide us no adaptive advantage, but they persist since they have not interfered with our survival. We get moles, differently shaped ears, cavities, menopause, hair loss, and some of us even get horseshoe kidney (I have that) - If it does not kill us, the genes for it persist in the following generations.

Consider also that bacteria did not evolve to be susceptible to antibiotics, plants did not evolve to susceptibility to herbicides, and insects not to pesticides, but until these things were introduced, it has not affected their survival and evolution leaves those susceptibilities in place.
 
Or the brain can flood serotonin to the point It hit the 5HT2A receptors that LSD/DMT love by brute force. Because DXM has zero 5HT2A activity yet through It SNRI activity It can rival high dose shrooms at 350mg going by infamous blind study by DXM syrup makers.

Except I don't think serotonin is psychedelic. It's a bit hard to verify tihs because serotonin doesn't cross the blood brain barrier, but pharma SSRIs and SNRIs don't generally make people trip either. DXM is an NMDA antagonist and has dissociative effects like ketamine, which gives a very different kind of "trip".
 
You're off target. Why does this girl* get huge pupils when she meditates? DMT, obviously.

*Does anyone else get huge pupils when they open eye meditate?






More info about this book in post #6
two process occur in closed eye meditation.
one is the pupils dilate due to low light with eyes closed for a few minutes,
two, not guaranteed unless concentration is maintained with tranquility, Cortico-thalamic feedback is increased reflecting an emotional or psychedelic effect of greater ramification of perception (of the concentration object) and as you know, expanded pupils are correlated with increased interest or attention.
this does not require or depend upon DMT.
 
Is the pineal smaller than a pea? How can something that small suddenly create and start pumping 25mg of DMT? I dont think DMT ever gets anywhere remotely near tripping levels naturally - its just a trace compound.
 
The physical body is a temporary vehicle for now. You may eventually leave this vehicle to upgrade to a better vehicle. Ultimately, you can create the vehicle at will so you do not have to constantly stay in physical reality. You can morph it into pure energy so you can be who and what you are. Then, if you need to visit a physical reality you can create a body that can exist in that physical place based on your mind-pattern. Ideally your pineal gland should be your entire brain; you should not have a left and right hemisphere, or a pineal gland. You have the capacity to do and learn energetically with no need for a physical body.

Stewert Swerdlow. True World History: Humanity's Saga. 2014. 51. Taking Responsibility


[If] you paid attention when they taught physics DMT wouldnt be so confusing. The main thing it does is drastically raises your vibration. Different realities are on different wavelengths (just like radio) change your frequency=change yoir reality. Water, as it traverses the stages of matter (solid, liquid, gas) remains H²O the entire time. The difference is that it is vibrating faster. Ome or 2 hits of a cart and youll feel like youre swimming in fluid. When you blast off, when you are forced to ground, eyes closed, motionless and leavimg your body its because you are now in a gas state. Its why your consciousness has to leave your body. You are not your body. You are (energy) aka consciousness, only inhabiting this suite.

@aaronbutler1526. 2023-11-20. This comment was posted on this video: DMT in the Brain: A Pharmacologist's Perspective. @Neuropharmacist. 2021-09-25. YouTube.
 
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