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ShitKebab

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Mainly Ether, and other active alcohols (butanol, methylene (not methanol), octanol, drinkable ethanol, dimethyl ether)...

Do you need EUDs or just ring chem warehouses?
 
Ether is Schedule II when used for therapeutic uses and in concentrations of less then 10% of the compound. Otherwise Schedule IV, i.e. Rx only.

Methylene is Schedule IV.

Dimethyl ether is a substance "considered not to require control by scheduling". Code classifying it there:

d - industrial use only. This means the scheduling committee probably decided that the public's access to it is not great enough to warrant it being formally scheduled.

That's from the Poisons Standard up to 2008. Couldn't find butanol or octanol in there, they may have been scheduled since then though.

All of the above could be on watch lists too, requiring notification to authorities when they are purchased or if the seller has any suspicions regarding what the buyer is going to be doing.
 
I don't know what happened to the 1 litre bottles of shellite (petroleum ether) that you could get in any supermarket. They've all been removed. Presumably for legal reasons. Now only avaiable in 20 litre drums.
 
use, i don't synth drugs, havent ever and never will
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edit: i tried 30ml of isopropyl after reading a report on it saying its like ethanol but doesnt feel as toxic.
it didnt do shit.
 
I don't know what happened to the 1 litre bottles of shellite (petroleum ether) that you could get in any supermarket. They've all been removed. Presumably for legal reasons. Now only avaiable in 20 litre drums.

im confused i thought that was diesel, what is petrolium ether and can it be made into ether?

A few years back you could just get diethyl ether from chemical supply houses.
 
diethyl ether is easily obtained legally from chemical warehouses. Personally i'd say it's not worth your time or money to even try the crap. IME it was like shit amyl.
 
Diethyl ether is a true ether, meaning it has the "ether linkage" R-O-R, where the "R" stands for alkyl group. In the case of Diethyl ether R = ethyl group i.e. CH3-CH2-O-CH2-CH3. Some ethers have different alkyl groups attached e.g. methylethyl ether CH3-0-CH2-CH3. Don't be tempted to go for unusual ethers, many are highly toxic and/or inflammable.

Petroleum ether is a mixture of short chain hydrocarbons, usually between pentyl and heptyl, and is sold by it's boiling point range e.g. 30-60*C. This is not a true ether because it doesn't contain the -O- linkage.

As for classification/restriction:

Check out Code of Practice for Supply Diversion into Illicit Drug Manufacture

Diethyl ether is a cat#3 chemical.

CATEGORY III - ILLICIT DRUG REAGENTS/ESSENTIAL CHEMICALS
No Reporting Required. This list should be used as guide to alert staff that these products
may be used in illicit drug manufacture

Be well aware that any chemical sales person worth their weight these days will smell "drugs" a mile off. However, ether is used for many things so it has legit uses.

Also remember: Ether is a dangerous chemical to have around. Besides being highly inflammable, it is very volatile and has a low boiling point, so it will escape from most bottles, even well stoppered bottles. Keeping it in the freezer or fridge is also a no no as it will still escape, and any sparks from the compressor, the light switch or other source can ignite it.

From wiki

The autoignition temperature of ether is only 170 °C (338°F), so it can be ignited by a hot surface without a flame or spark.

Compare the vapour pressure charts for Dietheyl ether and Ethanol

Most importantly, ether when left standing for any time can form explosive peroxides that are sensitive enough to explode from movement - or less! Various antioxidants can be added to help prevent peroxides from forming, but stay away from old bottles.


In regards to any solvent anyone is thinking of inhaling, please do your homework first before jumping in feet first, and that means looking beyond the anecdotes to some real science.

Most alcohols present some dangers although these will vary in accordance with things like alkyl chain length and branching, and whether the alcohol is primary, secondary or tertiary as this affects metabolism. So it's worth reading up well before deciding to go down this path.

ISOPROPANOL IARC


If you're dead set on trying other alcohols try looking at the threads in Advanced Drug Discussion on 2-methyl-2-butanol, and read up the MSDS and safety info - lethal dosages etc. Some are more potent than ethanol; overdose is a real possibility, and in most cases, presents the same dangers as ethanol poisoning i.e. it can kill.
 
bump. sorry.
But I have heard from a few people butane in pure form isn't actually as bad as paint, glue etc etc

How do you actually die from it, if it really is very sudden, is it because you've stopped some of your autonomic functions (ie breathing ...) and how painful do tyou think it would be to die this way? Do people ever use it for suicide?
 
If I were you ShitKebab I'd be staying well away from solvents for recreational drug use. There is a reason none of them are popular.

Did you say you ingested isopropyl ? I'd stay well clear of that shit. Off the top of my head it has several toxic metabolites including acetone.

Stick to the popular illegal recreationals and the well established research chems. Obscure and unusual solvents will only lead you down a dark, dangerous path.
 
bump. sorry.
But I have heard from a few people butane in pure form isn't actually as bad as paint, glue etc etc

How do you actually die from it, if it really is very sudden, is it because you've stopped some of your autonomic functions (ie breathing ...) and how painful do tyou think it would be to die this way? Do people ever use it for suicide?

I remember reading a huge thread about butane, asking the same question. Think there was lots of debate over whether it just destroys the brain via inoxia or the toxicity of butane to human nerves themself.

If It was just lack of oxygen, then I guess you'd try for 50/50 butane/oxygen, as you do with n20. I"m pretty sure the butane it'self is toxic to the brain, & when people take a huge inhale and just drop dead it's presumably the toxicity of butane rather than lack of oxygen.

A friend used to do butane all the time, he said it's pretty similar to nitrous in it's effects, just easier and cheap to get. This guy is a schiziphrenic now & has no short term memory. Not saying butane is 100% responsible, but maybe a possibility.
 
If I were you ShitKebab I'd be staying well away from solvents for recreational drug use. There is a reason none of them are popular.

Did you say you ingested isopropyl ? I'd stay well clear of that shit. Off the top of my head it has several toxic metabolites including acetone.

Stick to the popular illegal recreationals and the well established research chems. Obscure and unusual solvents will only lead you down a dark, dangerous path.


I tend to agree :)
 
Just reading about someone wanting to try all these solvents is giving me a headache..


Don't do it man...

Spend your time making your own flavoured ethanol than researching other body destroying chems.... white dog corn whisky for starters ..
 
I hate ethanol.
I don't REALLY want to try them.
Im just curious as to why people say petrol and butane have given them the most intense drug experiences of their life, they tell it like it is IMing a half weight of Ketamine, say nothing compares.. they're usually people I would never want to see again and never let in my apartment though.
 
Did u really ingest isopropyl? IMO that shit is very very toxic man. Do a little bit of research. I find that chems are alot harder to obtain in AU than say in EU. I walked in a chem shop once n literally bought a bunch of things no questions asked. Loved turnin GBL in GHB but its legal over there so there wasnt any problems. AU is very tight on laws n requires EUD for most things even for things that are used commonly. Can thank this to the new pseudo regulations which was a few years ago.
 
How do you actually die from it, if it really is very sudden, is it because you've stopped some of your autonomic functions (ie breathing ...) and how painful do tyou think it would be to die this way? Do people ever use it for suicide?

Sudden Sniffing Death Syndrome, look it up (if you are still on BL in some form...). Basically many of those inhalants can sensitize your heart incredibly to the effects of norepinephrine (adrenaline) and can cause a heart attack, etc.

There are other ways people die or injure themselves using solvents recreationally though. I'd stay away.

Thanks for that link, p_d, I was looking for something like that just recently. :)
 
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