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Megathread Cultural Appropriation and Cancel Culture Discussion

I wouldn't share them today, but I bet I have in common the same toys (adult) as her as well.

The most popular sex toy on chatturbait is a unisex remote controlled device. Gotta give the people what they want.
 
It makes looking for toys, clothes etc for your child easier in big department stores as getting the hell outta there sooner rather than later is more of a priority to the shopper than any bs about gender definition. In case no one noticed, toys are hardly ever gender neutral as no one really is, there are still girls girls and boyish boys around. Anyone care to tell them their preferences dont matter?

If things like having boys and girls aisles bothers you then maybe just deal with it, the whole discussion has made too many bs changes to a generation who don't care about the appropriateness of toys, just if they are fun or not. .

Aaaannd I think you just nailed it.

Getting out of there quickly is what the shopper wants, but it's the exact opposite of what the store wants. The store wants to keep you in there, get you confused and lost, wear down your resolve so you're more likely to impulse buy and less likely to stick to what you came there for.

And not only does removing the isle labels accomplish that, they can label say doing it is socially progressive.

God I love capitalism. :D
 
And don't forget, tech tried, Tried, and TRIED to stay neutral. They even swung their policies the other way to prevent even a passing appearance of anti-conservative bias. Jack Dorsey of Twitter, for example, decreed that it was "in the public interest" to allow them to spew their bile virtually unrestricted and for years exempted them from the rules they apply to anybody else. To demonstrate this point, a liberal Twitter user conducted an experiment: He copied, pasted, and reposted 45's tweets verbatim. And being liberal and not conservative, he was suspended in all of three days, while the right was allowed to continue unabated: https://www.newsweek.com/twitter-do...-suspendthepres-social-media-policies-1512443

It wasn't until the republicans went beyond-the-pale and staged their attempted coup on January 6th that the big tech companies decided enough was enough and finally decided that they did not want to be associated with them anymore. Right up until that day, they were quite happy to accept conservative money and page views.
There was no attempted coup. There were a few agitators and a whole load of regular people that saw an opportunity to walk through the capitol building.

The support of BLM? A self proclaims "anti-capitalist" group who's founder admitted to be "trained marxists". In the the police bent the knee in support for them. The media head lines of their riots were "30 police officers injured in otherwise peaceful protests". Meanwhile - a counter-protest of people that went to London to protect the statues were labelled "far-right thugs" with headlines "15 arrests as far-right thugs clash with police". Every mainstream media outlet ran the story that they were throwing up nazi salues, which every swallowed at the truth, when it's so blatantly clear they are doing that stupid football thing where they throw up their arms.

You don't understand how the tech giants deleting some of these peoples account, all in unison, is problematic? You can't think of any point in history in which speaking out against the status quo resulted in bring silenced? With merciless campaigns of slander and character assassination? Who decides what is "bile"? If someone says something that is untrue, or you disagree with, then you should be able to discuss and debate it openly. To not get the opportunity to do so is a huge step away from living in a free, democratic society.

The left have taken it upon themselves to decide what people can and can't say. Since when was being offended a token of authority on the matter?
 
Yeah. I've been stewing on something for well over a week now. Figured it better to stew than lose my shit in true knee jerk fashion. But now that I'm relatively calm about it lemme give it a go.

Not too long ago on another thread I was called out on certain things and decided to bare my soul and admit that, as result of these forums and various interactions I've had with others (one in particular was the white CIS male privilege thread), I've tried to be more understanding and accepting of certain things and people. I believe I've come real far particularly on gender issues (bearing in mind I'm no longer a whipper snapper so we're talking about decades and decades of ingrained beliefs and doctrines thus making it a lot harder to simply change course) (but I think I've come a long way). One altercation that comes to mind was between me and one of the mods. here and who I know (or believe anyway) absolutely hates my guts. But as a result of such altercation: I realized that, particularly when it comes to gender issues, I've been wrong in simply generalizing and making assumptions that everything gender related is a lifestyle choice. And I also realized how disingenuous, albeit unwittingly, I was one the whole issue. But just when you think you're becoming enlightened then shit like the below gets shoved in your face.

Now I'm not going back to square one and changing my stance or unlearning what I've learned in just the past year. But come on. Let's be fair here. Like it or not: there are males and there are females. And no amount of political correctness or activist groups or anything else is going to change that. Maybe in a few hundred years or more this will no longer be the case. Who knows. But as things stand now: this isn't the case. And I'll admit that when this type of shit is shoved in my face: it's real hard to not revert back to the typical knee jerk reaction. Or to simply sit back and say "fuck you".

And the sheer irony of this (and please: anybody from the LGBTTQQIAAP+++ community feel free to educate me or point me in the right direction): a gay man, for example, is still going to go and buy men's pants not? That's just one example i.e. I could write ten pages if I were to include everybody here and give examples.

And in the same way as anybody from the LGBTTQQIAAP+++ community should not have to be ashamed or apologetic: I shouldn't have to be ashamed or apologetic for being a straight white male. But somewhere out there it seems to me that there are certain people (possibly limited to people in power i.e. I don't have the answer) that will not be happy until we're all the same color and same gender. It's not going to happen no matter how far you push this and what means are used.

And don't get me wrong. I believe I've come far enough to be able to say that just because we're different does not mean that we shouldn't try to get along and embrace each other in spite of differences. But to those that are hell bent in sweeping certain givens under the carpet: beware as there could be an unintended backlash.

I do realize that the below is all from the same source of course. So feel free to criticize or give a different take or opinion. Fact is: it's still mainstream media and we're all only too acutely aware of what they're capable of. This being said: there's so many videos, outside of the mainstream media, on these topics, that I'd find it a stretch to believe that it's all total rubbish.

Oh and by the way: from some of the shit I hear on the BBC of late it seems to me that it's the British that's leading the charge when it comes to this WOKE shit. I could be wrong. Just a personal impression formed over the last few weeks or so.





 
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Only healthcare and education will stop this nonsense. Bunch of Woke boneheads. History will repeat itself and the killings will continue.
 
And in the same way as anybody from the LGBTTQQIAAP+++ community should not have to be ashamed or apologetic: I shouldn't have to be ashamed or apologetic for being a straight white male. But somewhere out there it seems to me that there are certain people (possibly limited to people in power i.e. I don't have the answer) that will not be happy until we're all the same color and same gender. It's not going to happen no matter how far you push this and what means are used.

I think there certainly are people out there who are going way too far. But, in real life I don't think there are many people who think you should feel ashamed for being who you are. And the vast, vast majority of LGBTQ people are just looking for that same thing, and that is the reason for the whole movement, because although homosexuality has become MUCH more widely accepted for a while, until very recently (and still in many places), transgender people had an insanely high incidence of sexual assault and murder, and were ostracized terribly by society. It's something that heteronormative people have never faced. Like me, I'm a straight white male. Glad to be, it's been a blessing. I don't feel bad for being who I am, but I think it's important to recognize that these social movements are the result of actual inequities that people who are not lucky to be born the dominant gender and ethnicity really can't speak on the existence of, unless they want to try to claim that the people experiencing these inequities are imagining them or making them up.

So although I can see that certainly some people are going too far (and there is horribly irresponsible reporting by the media going on, too, and lots of propaganda in both directions), that does not invalidate the concerns that people have, and in real life I doubt you will meet many people who actually want everyone to be the same gender and race, as you said.
 
There was no attempted coup. There were a few agitators and a whole load of regular people that saw an opportunity to walk through the capitol building.

The support of BLM? A self proclaims "anti-capitalist" group who's founder admitted to be "trained marxists". In the the police bent the knee in support for them. The media head lines of their riots were "30 police officers injured in otherwise peaceful protests". Meanwhile - a counter-protest of people that went to London to protect the statues were labelled "far-right thugs" with headlines "15 arrests as far-right thugs clash with police". Every mainstream media outlet ran the story that they were throwing up nazi salues, which every swallowed at the truth, when it's so blatantly clear they are doing that stupid football thing where they throw up their arms.

You don't understand how the tech giants deleting some of these peoples account, all in unison, is problematic? You can't think of any point in history in which speaking out against the status quo resulted in bring silenced? With merciless campaigns of slander and character assassination? Who decides what is "bile"? If someone says something that is untrue, or you disagree with, then you should be able to discuss and debate it openly. To not get the opportunity to do so is a huge step away from living in a free, democratic society.

The left have taken it upon themselves to decide what people can and can't say. Since when was being offended a token of authority on the matter?

You don't have a right to a Facebook account. You don't have a right to free speech on any given platform you choose. Free speech only gives you the right to create a platform.

Honestly if have preferred if they'd started enforcing the terms of service against the right wing extremists before they got together and attacked the capital. But as usual we always wait until people die.

Fuck em all. Bunch of traitors.
 
call for fox news to cancel karl rove

which snowflake, bleeding-heart, sjw liberal is it this time?

wait. nevermind...

it's donald trump.

from his speech at mt. rushmore on july 3rd, 2020:

"One of their political weapons is cancel culture, driving people from their jobs, shaming dissenters, and demanding total submission from anyone who disagrees. This is the very definition of totalitarianism, and it is completely alien to our culture and to our values and it has absolutely no place in the United States of America." (my emphasis)

alasdair
 
(and there is horribly irresponsible reporting by the media going on, too, and lots of propaganda in both directions),
Agreed. And I of course fell for it again. Only occurred to me after I posted and then read your post.

Agree with everything else you posted too for the record. Nice post. (Was important for me to have responded but couldn't until this morning due to connectivity issues the last two or so days i.e. Google had some or the other shit here).
 
call for fox news to cancel karl rove

which snowflake, bleeding-heart, sjw liberal is it this time?

wait. nevermind...

it's donald trump.

from his speech at mt. rushmore on july 3rd, 2020:

"One of their political weapons is cancel culture, driving people from their jobs, shaming dissenters, and demanding total submission from anyone who disagrees. This is the very definition of totalitarianism, and it is completely alien to our culture and to our values and it has absolutely no place in the United States of America." (my emphasis)

alasdair
Love it or Leave it !
 
call for fox news to cancel karl rove

which snowflake, bleeding-heart, sjw liberal is it this time?

wait. nevermind...

it's donald trump.

from his speech at mt. rushmore on july 3rd, 2020:

"One of their political weapons is cancel culture, driving people from their jobs, shaming dissenters, and demanding total submission from anyone who disagrees. This is the very definition of totalitarianism, and it is completely alien to our culture and to our values and it has absolutely no place in the United States of America." (my emphasis)

alasdair

Such a straight shooter. You always know where he stands. :D
 
You don't have a right to a Facebook account. You don't have a right to free speech on any given platform you choose. Free speech only gives you the right to create a platform.

Honestly if have preferred if they'd started enforcing the terms of service against the right wing extremists before they got together and attacked the capital. But as usual we always wait until people die.

Fuck em all. Bunch of traitors.

That would be fair enough if they didn't have a huge monopoly over social media and, well, google.. especially when they all coordinate to delete one of their biggest rivals off of the internet.

Parler is becoming a threat to our power - quick - blame white supremacist terrorism and DELETE.

Twitter was the most used platform to organise that protest turned fuck up.

Yet pages turn Black and don the BLM logo in support of an actual terror organisation that has cause untold millions (billions?), destroyed businesses, neighbourhoods and lives and have been the cause of - how many deaths? It's hard to judge.

If you can't recognise that this trend of deplatforming, cancelling and silencing people based on their political ideologies is a massive problem for society as a whole then you are blinded by your tribalism. Do you know what it was that was said to deserve the ban hammer and outright vilification?2
 
call for fox news to cancel karl rove

which snowflake, bleeding-heart, sjw liberal is it this time?

wait. nevermind...

it's donald trump.

from his speech at mt. rushmore on july 3rd, 2020:

"One of their political weapons is cancel culture, driving people from their jobs, shaming dissenters, and demanding total submission from anyone who disagrees. This is the very definition of totalitarianism, and it is completely alien to our culture and to our values and it has absolutely no place in the United States of America." (my emphasis)

alasdair

That.. isn't the same thing.. at all.
 
he doesn't like what rove is saying so he suggests fox should get rid of him (by cancelling his show presumably).

trump has railed against cancel culture but here he embracing it when it suits him...

is it only cancel culture when it's a liberal calling for the cancelling?

alasdair
 
Not quite.. He hasn't cancelled anything or anyone. He's expressed his opinion on what would be better for the Replublicans and for Fox.. He hasn't spammed social media with over-dramatic outrage riling up a herd of screeching Knights of Ni and he hasn't demanded that anyone do anything.

I am a liberal, btw.. the left has shifted too far on the political spectrum to be considered liberal, and they're taking society down a very dangerous path.
 
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you don't have to personally cancel something to be part of the culture.

he called on fox to cancel rove because he didn't like what rove was saying.

cancel culture.

alasdair
 
Yeah.. i still don't think it's the same thing.. nowhere near as problematic, anyway.

Called on fox to cancel Rove or ranting and whinging about someone he blames for damaging his party?

I'm no fan of Trump - but this isn't cancel culture. If a load of people started pressuring Fox to fire him because they disagree with his views / because they agree with Trump - sure, that would be cc.
 
I’ve started to think cancel culture would be far less of an issue if people entering the public sphere were still mainly the people who’d been brought up properly to have some decent manners and a shared desire to keep things polite. It’s not as if there have not been opposing political views in democracies since whenever. However, prior to social media everyone with a voice was from a generally similar educational and cultural background where they agreed the unspoken rules of discourse. This was even when the public figures were appalling ratbags (racist, sexist, misogynistic, sociopathic) in the personal lives. I think back to oppositional figures like Kennedy vs Nixon who each could have nuked the other if they’d wanted to.

On the one hand I believe in the equality of all people and their right to have a political voice. On the other hand giving every asshole a voice seems to be totally fucking Western civilisation. Maybe the days when political debate for organised and restricted to a key set of institutions like the political parties, the unions, and the respectable press were less ‘free’ but more constructive for the general advancement of society overall.
 
I’ve started to think cancel culture would be far less of an issue if people entering the public sphere were still mainly the people who’d been brought up properly to have some decent manners and a shared desire to keep things polite. It’s not as if there have not been opposing political views in democracies since whenever. However, prior to social media everyone with a voice was from a generally similar educational and cultural background where they agreed the unspoken rules of discourse. This was even when the public figures were appalling ratbags (racist, sexist, misogynistic, sociopathic) in the personal lives. I think back to oppositional figures like Kennedy vs Nixon who each could have nuked the other if they’d wanted to.

On the one hand I believe in the equality of all people and their right to have a political voice. On the other hand giving every asshole a voice seems to be totally fucking Western civilisation. Maybe the days when political debate for organised and restricted to a key set of institutions like the political parties, the unions, and the respectable press were less ‘free’ but more constructive for the general advancement of society overall.
Intriguing.
 
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