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and the left are racist hypocrites at least trump was not a racist.
Megathread Cultural Appropriation and Cancel Culture Discussion
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JessFR
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Wasn't he? I mean it's not one of the things I'm always bashing him over. But I'm hardly confident that he's not a racist either.
I don't know either way. He's pretty horrible regardless. If he were it'd be just one more way in which he's a horrible person.
SvnLyrBrto
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The Central Park Five would probably beg to differ on that assertion.
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for comments he made in 1989 when he did not know expect what the police said. please stop reaching for straws. The left will always project its racism onto scape goats.
trump stated that judge curiel was incapable of being impartial because he's 'mexican' (which he's not). that is textbook racism.
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Xorkoth
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I don't often hear people try to claim the left is racist, that's kinda new. The left is a lot of things, but it's kinda hard to call racism.
Who is this "you" you're referring to? Am I part of some group I didn't know about???
TheLoveBandit
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Trump does not speak for all conservatives. However, if you wish to place blame on him for his words and actions leading to violence, surely you must place some blame on Democratic leadership and the BLM-Antifa riots, no?
Internet mobs, and real life mobs (historically) aren't unique to the left or right. I would argue this statement is correct that cancel culture is unique to the left, though rather than 'unique' I would say 'dominated' by the left.
Aside from Trump, who has proven to speak his mind (lol...mind?) freely; what right leaning individuals or groups have called for cancellation of others? Historically, the right just wants to be left alone, and treats those they disagree with as an annoyance to be ignored, not destroyed. There are exceptions to this.
Agreed. Trump is a unique case. Let's focus on the overall progressive call for cancellations rather vs the calls from conservatives? Individuals on both sides exist, but may not represent the larger group.
This is actually a GREAT example of the right pushing for cancellation. Perfectly made point, mal There's been little to no tolerance for this - something Trump promoted, but I think he was on the tails of rather than driving. It was much more an overall conservative view that the atheletes where using a platform in a way that they shouldn't. I'll admit being among them, as I want my sports for entertainment and celebration, not for political statement. But overall the call was to cut the players for their actions, a means of cancellation, of silencing dissent. In hindsight, I can abide by it, and recognize it has precedence back to the black power fists in the Olympics of the 60's-70's.
The only other big cancellation effort by the right that I can come up with right now is abortion. The conservative drive to silence and destroy the existence of abortions. This isn't against a person or a group of people, but it is a no-compromise approach to an idea where this cancellation is being driven by (part of) the conservative movement. Personal views aside, I can understand how their position of life-death is a stronger driving factor than how civil rights are perceived to be protected or not. Moreso, those oppressed or directly impacted cannot voice a defense of their own, whereas with taking a knee there are other avenues of speaking out and being heard, and those effected are able to do so on their own behalf.
Dude, you need to check your timelines. Dixie Chicks and Maher happened after Trump came into office. The left has been cancelling before he came into office. You want to go back to the easiest to identify cancellations? Look at Hollywood and where actors-diretors-writers had their careers ended for political views, or for not towing the progressive view or agendas, or even for simple personal reasons (didn't sleep with someone in authority). Cancelation has existed for a LONG time, and primarily by the left. Only recently has the right begun to push back, promoted by Trump calling it out, but mostly by having had enough.
I present to you exhibit A
In his stimulus plan, Biden states: "Our focus will be on Black, Latino, Asian, and Native American owned small businesses, women-owned businesses, "
Definition of racism = prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
White and male being discriminated against, and nobody bats an eye. Policy should be to address AMERICANS in need, regardless of race, color, creed, sexual identification or orientation. Biden is launching his presidency with a promise of racism and division.
But this thread is on cancel culture, not Biden nor racism. So I'll redirect.
TheLoveBandit
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Cancel culture is STRONG with the left, and it continues....
WATCH: Former Facebook Exec Shares Orwellian Plan to Purge Conservatives
(Townhall.com, hard right lean; and I'll admit I got the link from one of the kooks)
BREAK: PBS Chief Counsel Caught on Camera Demanding ‘Re-Education Camps’, Child Confiscation, and Molotov Cocktails Thrown At Trump - The National Pulse
(Nationalpulse.com, another further right source; again link provided by a kook)
How is PMS funded again? Oh yeah, gov't grants 8) Luckily, this is an individual speaking, not on behalf of the organization, and it was addressed
PBS Fires Principal Counsel Michael Beller After Advocating For Putting Children In Camps And Attacking The White House - Bounding Into Comics
How about that twitter alternative, Parler? How's that faring? Oh, that's right, cancelled and scrambling to get back on line. It's all fine and dandy to say 'free speech' and encourage others to find an alternative outlet that will allow, if not support, their views. But when those platforms are then silenced, attached, .... cancelled. Then what?
WATCH: Former Facebook Exec Shares Orwellian Plan to Purge Conservatives
(Townhall.com, hard right lean; and I'll admit I got the link from one of the kooks)
BREAK: PBS Chief Counsel Caught on Camera Demanding ‘Re-Education Camps’, Child Confiscation, and Molotov Cocktails Thrown At Trump - The National Pulse
(Nationalpulse.com, another further right source; again link provided by a kook)
How is PMS funded again? Oh yeah, gov't grants 8) Luckily, this is an individual speaking, not on behalf of the organization, and it was addressed
PBS Fires Principal Counsel Michael Beller After Advocating For Putting Children In Camps And Attacking The White House - Bounding Into Comics
How about that twitter alternative, Parler? How's that faring? Oh, that's right, cancelled and scrambling to get back on line. It's all fine and dandy to say 'free speech' and encourage others to find an alternative outlet that will allow, if not support, their views. But when those platforms are then silenced, attached, .... cancelled. Then what?
mal3volent
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I think he was referring to when they were in the UK and said they were ashamed that Bush was from Texas. Talk radio pushed for a boycott of their music and all the Republicans jumped on board.
as for Maher , the right AND left have tried to cancel him multiple times. He offends everyone.
TheLoveBandit
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Damn, missed that context, thank you. Though, I'll state I was (past tense) listening to a LOT of conservative talk radio and NEVER heard of any boycott on Dixie Chicks, only afterward that they'd made the decision. Honestly, as much as I was listening, I'd have thought I heard of it...unless again you mean UK talk radio.
Kinda like Trump in offending (nearly) everyone
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Damn, missed that context, thank you. Though, I'll state I was (past tense) listening to a LOT of conservative talk radio and NEVER heard of any boycott on Dixie Chicks, only afterward that they'd made the decision. Honestly, as much as I was listening, I'd have thought I heard of it...unless again you mean UK talk radio.
Kinda like Trump in offending (nearly) everyone
I'm pretty shocked that you missed it as well. It was a huge deal. They were on top of the world, the darlings of country radio and had major crossover success as well. Then overnight they and their children were getting death threats just because they expressed an opinion on stage.
they went off the radar for a long time, then came back with an excellent album that won a ton of grammys . there's a documentary about the whole thing if you're interested.
What's happening today isn't like a boycott, it's more like a witch hunt.
Have the lessons of the 20th century been lost? It doesn't matter what side of the political spectrum you think you're on. Even if your side wins, you still lose.
At one extreme you have the Nazi party, where Germans were indoctrinated into fighting war and committing genocide. Millions died and much regret was had.
At the other extreme you have Communism, where peasants were indoctrinated into ratting out other peasants because they were slightly less destitute than the state said they should have been.
In both of these paradigms, accusing people of being enemies of the volk/proletariat was eventually all the pretext needed to justify executing them.
Do any of you want to go back to that? Because that's where we are headed.
Here is a recent example of the ugliness of cancel culture:
Jonathan Kay: The CBC's toxic workplace exposed after arbitrator sides with fired reporter
When the Winnipeg Blue Bombers won the Grey Cup on November 24, 2019, 23-year-old CBC journalist Ahmar Khan was in the thick of the crowd at Portage and Main,…
Social justice being used as nothing more than a shiv to settle petty disputes. Does this exemplify a healthy society, when people have to fear what they might be accused of by colleagues? Witch hunt.
It's already as bad as people losing their jobs over accusations. It must stop before it gets any uglier.
mal3volent
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I haven’t read everyone’s post on this thread yet but my two cents after reading the original post and reall what I think of when I hear cancel culture would be in a word dangerous. I think it has the potential and really already has mad the division here in the states at least even greater. I’m a believer in the immortal words of Winston Churchill if you forget the past you will be doomed to repeat it. Just bc you don’t agree with a thought idea or event doesn’t mean the best course of action is to try to erase it. I’m seeing ppls voices being silenced bc they aren’t a subscriber to the mainstream ideologies. I believe there is an effort and has been an effort for a long time now to cause division among the ppl of the United States by very wealthy and powerful ppl and once it’s reached a boiling point those behind this effort will more easily be able to rewrite our constitution. Now maybe I’m off topic like I said I didn’t read the whole thread but I worry that if we continue in the direction we’re going in that free speech will be limited to only if it lines up with the narrative. The beautiful thing ab American is that you are able to voice your beliefs without fearing that you will be silenced for those beliefs. I believe the subscribers to “cancel culture” should be able to voice their opinions but I have a problem when they can voice their beliefs openly but if someone opposes them they are silenced by a variety of means. Hope I didn’t too far off topic and if I did I apologize. I just wanna see ppl come to a place that if we can’t agree we can at least agree to disagree. Peace and love!
TheLoveBandit
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Reflecting back, I NEVER heard of any calls for them to 'shut up and sing' from the right; but it is quite possible I simply missed them. I can easily see that being the case. On the other hand, the one thing I heard was THEY had changed their name, because the conservative radio hosts were mocking the decision. Why was the term 'Dixie' deemed racist and in need of being dropped, but the term 'Chicks' was not sexist and was good enough to retain?
Xorkoth
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See, to me this isn't racism. It's the same way of seeing things where people are trying to confuse BLM with racism. It's not racism to be aware that inequities exist in the system, and to focus on trying to right those inequities. If aid is being given disproportionately to white people, how is it racism to try to fix that? While distributing resources more equitably does happen to leave less resources for white people, it isn't discrimination against white people to do so... it's the ending of discrimination against minorities, which had led to an unfair advantage to white people. Which goes to show you how fucked the system is, because yeah, poor white people aren't getting what they deserve either. But they're still doing better than poor minorities. I understand the knee-jerk reaction, from fear over seeing your quality of life slowly eroding, but this isn't racism. It's about being equitable. And a separate conversation about how our priorities in America are massive screwed up with regards to wealth distribution, as a whole, entirely separate from the racial conversation.
Stating that the focus of the aid being towards minority groups is not the same as saying "we ain't givin' no money to whites". If you notice that minority groups are being hit especially hard, by looking at the data, isn't it the right thing to do to focus on being equitable?
JessFR
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It was a huge deal. I remember the controversy, and I was like 15 at the time so it was before I got into politics.
JessFR
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Resources should be distributed based on need in a way that's entirely color blind.
If one race on average has more need they should get more resources.
I'm always amazed that this is a position that's controversial.
If you give resources on the basis of race, that's racism. It doesn't matter what races benefit or are disadvantaged by it.
If one race on average has more need they should get more resources.
I'm always amazed that this is a position that's controversial.
If you give resources on the basis of race, that's racism. It doesn't matter what races benefit or are disadvantaged by it.
Some are equating cancel culture with boycotting. They are not exactly the same thing. Boycotting is about commercial or social protest, which anyone can do, and is part of cancel culture, but cancel culture goes further. Cancel culture originated with progressivism and is specifically about stamping out people who don't cave to progressive values, and is specifically tied to woke culture that originated on college campuses. You know, the call out culture that wants campus safe spaces, disrupts lectures and tries to censor free speech? It furthers this by doxxing people and invading their personal lives. It is a complete and utter infiltration of a person's life on every level and was first leveraged by college campuses with the help of campus administrations.
Also, a major feature of cancel culture is that it's ideology driven. Instead of talking about differences, a group will simply "cancel" an opponent by ruining their life or censoring their livelihood. It happens over the most trivial things.
I think the right wing is more prone to boycotting than it is cancel culture. The right wing does this by withdrawing financial support. The left wing furthers this by canceling a person's actual life. They're not satisfied until they are deleted from existence, completely and utterly.