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Gormur

Gormur

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I'm trying to figure out why the Unification Church is considered a cult by some people. There's been no clear explanation that leads me to believe that it is, including by the A&E documentary done a few years ago. I've watched services of Hyung Jin Moon from Sanctuary Unification Church and don't see anything cultic. It seems like a religious movement, especially because everything that's done is completely legal unlike in cults where there's always criminality involved

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Cults are very dangerous. The unification church spilt into movements forced marriages alot of blocking of ex members and people totally restrained within the church so they form a little small circle with no contact to the outsiders.

I will admit that i was once in a very big cult that started in the early days of the internet and is still around and thank fuck google has stopped people been able to across that group now. Anyways it was a satanic group that at its peak had probably 100k members dedicated to some pretty far out shit and brainwashed alot of teens and still does to this day. Cult psychology is truly some interesting stuff. They usually start off by presenting alot of compelling information that has been stolen from true religious groups and appropriated for nefarious means they structure it so the truly wack stuff and other agenda is buried deep so by the time you got some useful stuff out of the group whatever it may be you are already sucked in and have been brainwashed without you even knowing it you then go and looker deeper and go higher within the cult then get their true teachings which varies from cult to cult but all usually have the leader as some sort of messianic figure scamming donations and some sort of great war to come between their group and some either race group religious group or straight up fucking aliens. On the surface it could be hard to tell what their true goals are and by the time you find out most likely the person has been totally sucked into believing everything the leader says. Thank fuck LSD freed me from brainwashing and now i can go and see where everything went wrong.

At the start i thought it was all bullshit but since alot of cults use simple stolen methods of meditation yoga poses and hypnotic trance work they suddenly have the masses hypnotizing themselves to believe in the cult some people will wake up but others will end up been destoryed by the cult psychologically and developing pretty much psychosis and disconnect from normal society.

Behind the scenes alot of things happen in these movements and cults. All it takes is one word from the leader and suddenly you have people comitting mass suicide like jonestown or murder like the mansons
 
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So, there are people who call things a cult without them knowing the truth either way. That's what I was afraid of. I guess my idea of a cult is something like the FLDS. The Unification Church looks like a club to me and people pay all kinds of fees to join and are free to leave, plus nothing illegal is happening within it which to me defines a cult; illegality. It looks like a Christian denomination to me. It has its own style

Creating laws that clash with local laws is cultic, going against societies they don't get along with. I appreciate that there are organizations who con people but unless they live on a commune or otherwise do something unethical they're just con artists and not cults
 
Gormur said:
I'm trying to figure out why the Unification Church is considered a cult by some people. There's been no clear explanation that leads me to believe that it is, including by the A&E documentary done a few years ago. I've watched services of Hyung Jin Moon from Sanctuary Unification Church and don't see anything cultic. It seems like a religious movement, especially because everything that's done is completely legal unlike in cults where there's always criminality involved

Thoughts
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People just use the word cult when they see a movement they don’t agree with or something that they think will hurt society.
 
I think cults should be viewed on a spectrum. I kind of view them as religious movements that strip out autonomy / have self-propagating tendencies / commit abuse / isolate their members.

Many of these things are kind of subjective (cuz we live in a society), and while I think many of the more restrictive Christian movements such as Seventh day Adventism are cults, I have been told that Catholicism and unitarianism are cults by my a family member, who joined an evangelical movement during a time of isolation and stress.

I think Scientology really is a good example of getting into proper cult territory due to their history of hounding people with detectives and lawsuits who quit/dissent, and increasing fee structures to those who have joined. (I was going to include the allowance of powerful members committing abuse as a qualifier, but than I realized in any organization there will be a tendency for a blind eye to be turned when the powerful do wrong).

I will say most religious movements do some culty things, but create more good than harm in the practitioners most of the time.

Idk, like anything in life though I get uncomfortable any time somebody tries to give me simple answers to complex problems.
 
Anyone hear about the one that is in Russia? Some guy was going around saying he was Jesus, and apparently had a huge fallowing. I hear he got busted by the authorities though. So at least it didn't make it to the Koolaid part.
 
andyturbo said:
Apparently being a Freemason I am in some cult thats conspiring world domination and is satanic that eats babies..
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I was out walking one day and this guy in a van with a Masonic emblem for a lodge in my area pulled up to me with a group of people. He asked me if I wanted to join them in selling gift cards to a hardware store and getting money back. I didn't understand what he was talking about but I guess they make money somehow. Anyway, I just thought it was odd seeing as I'm not a member
 
Gormur said:
I was out walking one day and this guy in a van with a Masonic emblem for a lodge in my area pulled up to me with a group of people. He asked me if I wanted to join them in selling gift cards to a hardware store and getting money back. I didn't understand what he was talking about but I guess they make money somehow. Anyway, I just thought it was odd seeing as I'm not a member
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That made me angry. Theres two possibilities.. 1. They were imposters (sadly theres more than you would think) or 2. You've encountered some rouge chapter that has for whatever reason seperated (or been kicked out) of Freemasonry.

It angered me as thats such a non masonic action. One of the 3 principles we go by is Charity. We give and only give. We are self funded by monthly member dues. Ontop of that we never ever actively recruit or do such to outsiders. First contact is always from outsiders contacting us..

Smh.. sorry that happend to you.
 
The Wizard of the Creek said:
I’m curious to know what all the Freemasons in my community are supposed to do? Is it’s like volunteer community service or something? Do they have temples because it’s a type of spiritual community, or is it something else? I honestly have no idea what they do, or why they have been around for thousands of years? What do people get out of being a mason?
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At the very least, I think it is some sort of subtle, disguised control, by the nature of attachment, effectively contract.

I don't question the decency and genuinity of the majority of the freemasons themselves.

I just don't think they realise what they are actually into, and who is leading from the top.

It could be a way to recruit, monitor, study, keep watch on, in select cases to advance and indoctrinate to higher platforms.

I imagine there must be some "material" bonuses, and hence attraction, to becoming a freemason, which I believe most do with good and pure intentions.

But the true reality of our world is so obscured and cunningly weaven into the fabric all around us. I don't wish to offend or insult any freemasons. Only sharing my honest thoughts, feelings, and views.
 
andyturbo said:
That made me angry. Theres two possibilities.. 1. They were imposters (sadly theres more than you would think) or 2. You've encountered some rouge chapter that has for whatever reason seperated (or been kicked out) of Freemasonry.

It angered me as thats such a non masonic action. One of the 3 principles we go by is Charity. We give and only give. We are self funded by monthly member dues. Ontop of that we never ever actively recruit or do such to outsiders. First contact is always from outsiders contacting us..

Smh.. sorry that happend to you.
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There's a place I've driven by called a masonic temple with a goat head logo on the front of the building. I was just curious about that. I guess it's a mason lodge with a temple inside. I thought it was funny how it's sandwiched in-between two churches and I didn't notice it till I drove down that street one day
 
So the problem with cults.. is that they deceive people..

Could there be a "good" cult? Preaching salvation and promissing not to betray the individual person, but support him?

I wonder what The Nazi party looks like today..
 
Gormur said:
There's a place I've driven by called a masonic temple with a goat head logo on the front of the building. I was just curious about that. I guess it's a mason lodge with a temple inside. I thought it was funny how it's sandwiched in-between two churches and I didn't notice it till I drove down that street one day
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Haha nothing to do with Freemasonry. Sounds like some try hard skull and bones shit.
 
Imagine a true party.. where the man (or woman) can speak at the head of the party because his opinion(belief) is spoken. A priori.. as a priority.. The priori of sion..

The man with the best idea should be at the head of the party..

The swastika means we go through the whole wheel of change..

Things change.. and the best man for the job.. should always get the job (unless he doesn't want to)..

The current scene represents the man or woman with the best opinion is at the head of the party. The switch of the swastika. Rotations..

Crops harvested.. living in Canada is free because we are allowed to overgrow our nation with Marijuana!
 
I have a budding conception of the divine and I find it in the old Masonic GOAT (as God of All Things).
 
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