Crystal meth

[juliojimenez892107@gmail.]

Hello everyone, just wanted to ask a question. I been using meth for almost 15 years , usually everyday smoker. But I always learned to control it. Till this day people cant tell if I'm high or not. But recently I noticed that right after I smoke I can fall asleep , for hours and wake up really tired feeling like I haven't slept. And the meth I get is not bunk or mixed w anything. Does this happen to any one or anyone knows why that happens

 

[jasperkent]

I know that paradoxical effects can occur with benzodiazepines-- in both humans & dogs. Apparently it's possible with amphetamines as well:

Paradoxical reaction - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Them Witches]

First & Foremost let me clear the air, I am not better than anyone else and I am one mistake away from ending up in the grave. This is some generic Google search information that I think applies to the sleep & sleep related issues from certain drugs :

Methamphetamine, a powerful stimulant, significantly disrupts sleep patterns, especially REM sleep.
Here's how methamphetamine affects sleep, particularly REM sleep:

REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep is a distinct stage of sleep characterized by:

• Rapid eye movements: The eyes move rapidly under closed eyelids.
  
  
• Increased brain activity: Brain waves resemble those seen during wakefulness.
  
  
• Dreaming: Most dreaming occurs during REM sleep.
  
  
• Loss of muscle tone: The body is temporarily paralyzed, preventing the acting out of dreams.

REM sleep typically occurs about 90 minutes after falling asleep and repeats several times throughout the night. It is considered an important part of the sleep cycle, contributing to memory consolidation, emotional regulation, and overall well-being.

REM sleep suppression: Methamphetamine use, even at doses that don't significantly reduce total sleep time, leads to a decrease in the duration of REM sleep.
Disrupted sleep architecture: Methamphetamine impacts the structure of sleep cycles, leading to changes in the time spent in different sleep stages. This includes:
Decreased REM sleep: As mentioned, meth reduces time in REM sleep.
Increased N1 sleep: Methamphetamine increases the percentage of total sleep time spent in N1, a light sleep stage.
Sleep rebound effects: After discontinuing methamphetamine use, individuals may experience a "REM rebound," which involves an increase in the duration and intensity of REM sleep. This is your body's attempt to compensate for the suppressed REM sleep during active use.

Why this matters:

• REM sleep is crucial for cognitive function, emotional processing, and memory consolidation. Disruptions to REM sleep can lead to various negative consequences.
• Sleep problems can trigger cravings and increase the risk of relapse in individuals recovering from methamphetamine addiction. Addressing these sleep disturbances is critical for successful recovery.

Overall, methamphetamine use disrupts sleep patterns, particularly by suppressing REM sleep, which can have significant consequences for both physical and mental health.

REM sleep typically occurs about 90 minutes after falling asleep and repeats several times throughout the night. It is considered an important part of the sleep cycle, contributing to memory consolidation, emotional regulation, and overall well-being.

Another wards if our body is not getting enough REM sleep it will take it from us. This can be at the oddest of times.

It is scary how compiling some of these drugs creates a hot mess do deal with. Or worse in front of one's beautiful children.

 

[OneWhoCares1789]

First & Foremost let me clear the air, I am not better than anyone else and I am one mistake away from ending up in the grave. This is some generic Google search information that I think applies to the sleep & sleep related issues from certain drugs :

Methamphetamine, a powerful stimulant, significantly disrupts sleep patterns, especially REM sleep.
Here's how methamphetamine affects sleep, particularly REM sleep:

REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep is a distinct stage of sleep characterized by:

• Rapid eye movements: The eyes move rapidly under closed eyelids.
  
  
• Increased brain activity: Brain waves resemble those seen during wakefulness.
  
  
• Dreaming: Most dreaming occurs during REM sleep.
  
  
• Loss of muscle tone: The body is temporarily paralyzed, preventing the acting out of dreams.

REM sleep typically occurs about 90 minutes after falling asleep and repeats several times throughout the night. It is considered an important part of the sleep cycle, contributing to memory consolidation, emotional regulation, and overall well-being.

REM sleep suppression: Methamphetamine use, even at doses that don't significantly reduce total sleep time, leads to a decrease in the duration of REM sleep.
Disrupted sleep architecture: Methamphetamine impacts the structure of sleep cycles, leading to changes in the time spent in different sleep stages. This includes:
Decreased REM sleep: As mentioned, meth reduces time in REM sleep.
Increased N1 sleep: Methamphetamine increases the percentage of total sleep time spent in N1, a light sleep stage.
Sleep rebound effects: After discontinuing methamphetamine use, individuals may experience a "REM rebound," which involves an increase in the duration and intensity of REM sleep. This is your body's attempt to compensate for the suppressed REM sleep during active use.

Why this matters:

• REM sleep is crucial for cognitive function, emotional processing, and memory consolidation. Disruptions to REM sleep can lead to various negative consequences.
• Sleep problems can trigger cravings and increase the risk of relapse in individuals recovering from methamphetamine addiction. Addressing these sleep disturbances is critical for successful recovery.

Overall, methamphetamine use disrupts sleep patterns, particularly by suppressing REM sleep, which can have significant consequences for both physical and mental health.

REM sleep typically occurs about 90 minutes after falling asleep and repeats several times throughout the night. It is considered an important part of the sleep cycle, contributing to memory consolidation, emotional regulation, and overall well-being.

Another wards if our body is not getting enough REM sleep it will take it from us. This can be at the oddest of times.

It is scary how compiling some of these drugs creates a hot mess do deal with. Or worse in front of one's beautiful children.

truly, thank you for such a well organized bit of information. Sleep issues with stimulants seems like an obvious connection but If you’re here in blue light like we are, we get to learn the “Whys” the symptoms instead of being belittled or judged.

 

[garygroundwork]

every day for 15 years and 'YOU control it.'

u held down a job in this time?

15 years ... long time

 

[GR400]

Hello everyone, just wanted to ask a question. I been using meth for almost 15 years , usually everyday smoker. But I always learned to control it. Till this day people cant tell if I'm high or not. But recently I noticed that right after I smoke I can fall asleep , for hours and wake up really tired feeling like I haven't slept. And the meth I get is not bunk or mixed w anything. Does this happen to any one or anyone knows why that happens

Same! But only 7 years. Anyways, about a 2 years back I ran into the same problem. Regular supplier, but batches varied. We came to the conclusion it was weak stuff(recrystallized) in addition to the quality and purity changes that we KNOW jacked up our tolerances. Hot railed like everything fine-taste, smell, appearance. ... Except the reclaim left behind after railing a fresh fine ground dose lined up. I could re-rail(cut another from the reclaim) more than twice. We also theorized fentanyl being added. Some if us got excited at that idea. But, my opinion, weak batch

 

[Entropolis]

Got all of ya beat. Been using for, wow, just added it all up...37 years. To answer your question, yes. It's perfectly normal for long term users. It's not a regular occurence, but it does happen. Essentially your brain is always trying to counter the released adrenaline, and sometimes it succeeds as you develop tolerance. Usually it's a bellweather it's time to take a couple of days of recovery time. The longer, the better. About two weeks is best, but at least two to three days.

 

[trashpanda206]

Hello everyone, just wanted to ask a question. I been using meth for almost 15 years , usually everyday smoker. But I always learned to control it. Till this day people cant tell if I'm high or not. But recently I noticed that right after I smoke I can fall asleep , for hours and wake up really tired feeling like I haven't slept. And the meth I get is not bunk or mixed w anything. Does this happen to any one or anyone knows why that happens

Yup, I'm the same. Going on 10 years myself. The person I started with told me if you follow three rules you'll be ok. 1. Stay hydrated 2. Even if it's just a little bit once a day, make yourself eat something 3. Lay down and rest, whether you'll sleep or not. So I've followed those rules and I work a corporate job, function normally, can't tell if I'm high, but a year or so ago it stopped affecting my sleep, pretty much at all. Occasionally I'll get something different & it'll keep me up all night, but maybe once or twice a year. I miss it to be honest. I can pretty much eat normally too . Anyway, you're not alone, haha.

 

[Entropolis]

Yup, I'm the same. Going on 10 years myself. The person I started with told me if you follow three rules you'll be ok. 1. Stay hydrated 2. Even if it's just a little bit once a day, make yourself eat something 3. Lay down and rest, whether you'll sleep or not. So I've followed those rules and I work a corporate job, function normally, can't tell if I'm high, but a year or so ago it stopped affecting my sleep, pretty much at all. Occasionally I'll get something different & it'll keep me up all night, but maybe once or twice a year. I miss it to be honest. I can pretty much eat normally too . Anyway, you're not alone, haha.

I suspect there's actually many like us, that carry on invisibly due to the prohibition & social stigma. Back in the 1930's many jazz legends were cutting the tops off their benzadrine inhalers available over the counter, taking the cotton out and soaking it like a teabag in their morning coffee. During the 1950's & 1960's housewives across america called their dexedrine pills 'mommy's little helper'. Entertainers from Lenny Bruce to Nat Cole were daily users of amphetamines. There are likely hundreds of thousands to low millions of us who never get in any legal trouble or seem to have the attendant legal & interpersonal problems that plague problematic users. Which I suspect probably represents a minor percentage of total users. Much like the landscape of booze & weed, problematic users probably are just a minor fraction of total users. I wonder if there's some way we could use resources like this website to maybe aggregate some real numbers, with perhaps some anonymous surveying somehow. I know that when various city officials started tracking total addiction rates via solutes in sewage that the estimated numbers for amphetamine users was way higher than each city's arrest totals of documented 'problem users'. Some rough calculations I ran in the early 2000's suggested we nonproblematic users may make up 60-70% of the total user populations. Maybe some of the brighter minds around here can come up with some clever means of secondarily verifying some of these results. Might go a long way towards destigmatizing.

 

[garygroundwork]

crystal meth is one hell of a drug.

I love hearing from you people that use every day and hold down jobs,

brilliant.

 

[Entropolis]

crystal meth is one hell of a drug.

I love hearing from you people that use every day and hold down jobs

brilliant.

It's strong stuff, to be sure. But with 'an estimated 5+% of the entire population estimated to have ADHD I suspect for most 'normal' daily users it's simply a form of successful self medication. Also probably used similarly by people with exhaustion disorders. A sort of guide for harm mitigation & staying healthy seems overdue for these and other reflationary sets. We don't fit most of the conventional earmarks of what addiction is typically portrayed as. I know I feel pretty deeply uncomfortable associating with the conventionally portrayed party animal set. I don't feel much kinship with them.
I know now after many misteps buying into the popular myths & portrayals of tweakers causing me to try and 'go straight' that my life doesn't start going off the rails until I STOP using. Something about it keeps me functional & capable of daily life. Took me decades to find out that I was ADHD, the medication dependant sort. All I knew for thirty years that without it I was a mess. With it, despite some less desirable side effects I could function. Of course that also meant by the time I DID recieve a diagnosis all fhe conventional medications were just too weak to have much punch. If I'd just been diagnosed & medicated prior to 1989 my whole life could have taken a much different trajectory than it did. But instead in order to get access to my 'medicine' i had to associate with the problematic users, who'd regularly shit in my life one or often in many ways. Makes me mad, thinking of all the relationships & opportunities I missed out on.

 

[Entropolis]

Surely my experience isn't unique. I've seen others like me out there over the years into decades. Always remaining on the perpheral edges, not getting drawn in to 'the scene'. Just maintaining just enough exposure to ensure access to suppliers. Being met with silence after such a deeply personal revealation is not exactly a comfortable feeling. EVeryone else is forming mutual support groups, why haven't we? Paranoia? Fear of being outed? Discomfort with just being overt & honest about it? C'mon folks. Trust me. You don't want to go your whole life feeling alone. It is a horrible feeling that only gets worse the longer it goes on. Speak up. The world should know we exist.

 

[new2drugs]

Hello everyone, just wanted to ask a question. I been using meth for almost 15 years , usually everyday smoker. But I always learned to control it. Till this day people cant tell if I'm high or not. But recently I noticed that right after I smoke I can fall asleep , for hours and wake up really tired feeling like I haven't slept. And the meth I get is not bunk or mixed w anything. Does this happen to any one or anyone knows why that happens

How do you look after 15 years? I hope you look fine, but I always remember that faces of Meth video on you tube which shows rapid decline in the users, and much less than 15 years .

 

[Halif2]

Surely my experience isn't unique. I've seen others like me out there over the years into decades. Always remaining on the perpheral edges, not getting drawn in to 'the scene'. Just maintaining just enough exposure to ensure access to suppliers. Being met with silence after such a deeply personal revealation is not exactly a comfortable feeling. EVeryone else is forming mutual support groups, why haven't we? Paranoia? Fear of being outed? Discomfort with just being overt & honest about it? C'mon folks. Trust me. You don't want to go your whole life feeling alone. It is a horrible feeling that only gets worse the longer it goes on. Speak up. The world should know we exist.

I think about this often. In my case it's opiate use rather than meth, but I can relate to what you're saying. I've never been in 'the scene' and don't fit most people's preconceived notion of what someone who's been dependent on opiates and opioids for 15+ years would look like. I'm an entirely unremarkable guy heading into middle age who, aside from a few (relatively short) periods of pretty full on poly drug abuse, has quietly and privately relied on opiates (everything and anything depending on availability and circumstances, from buprenorphine to PST to IV heroin) to just be able to function and participate in "normal" life. I've worked the majority of my adult life, maintained decent general health and hygiene, have a stable relationship with a wife of almost 20 years, never had legal issues, and just generally qualify as a very average, unremarkable individual.

I've also made an effort (often at considerable financial expense) to stay out of any government run maintenance programs. I've got absolutely nothing against them at all and think they should be easily accessible to everyone who wants or needs them, but for my own reasons I've just made this choice that this is "my thing" which I want to do on my own terms and am willing to take responsibility for - kind of like it's nobody else's business and I just want to keep it to myself. I've tried to quit using many times and even had some bouts of sobriety lasting months, but it all starts to break down if I'm not using and at those times I feel like I have to make a choice to jump back on or just ... implode somehow.

Sorry to derail the thread, but Entropolis's comments got me thinking about this topic again. I think it'd be fascinating to be in a big room of people who fit this category. I imagine there'd be a very large number of individuals from varying backgrounds all with very different circumstances - a silent group of long-term self-medicators.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

How do you look after 15 years? I hope you look fine, but I always remember that faces of Meth video on you tube which shows rapid decline in the users, and much less than 15 years .

Admitting that after 2+ years of Booze. A little misjudgement bout the danger.
Of the last legal drug [here] i looked like total shit. Felt and accordingly acted likewise.
Resulting in ao broken bones, my house became dirty, worst knowing,
the downward spiral your in. You look and feel like a Zombie and see and feel.
Your body deteriorating under you. But stopping not a option, physical depedent.

Dextro-Amphetamine, i am prescribed with some dr stop s inbetween.
But that oral max 35 mg, keeps me kinda away from Booze.
Picked the last on up, very late in life. Coping.

But my Sissy Amphetamine use, not a speedfreak. DL-Amphetamine.
I look top, after reducing and breaks in drinking.
When compared to 30, 40 + i feel youger look fitter.

But Crystal even Speed whole other beast.
But not body dependance forming, i am just real sleepy without it.

I am, no type to use some petrochemic powered kids toy [car],
blown to adult proportion s. To get grocery s ?
Use my hand s my feet in this scenario to get to the shop.
That is so close on bike you faster then a car.

They got belly fat, no six pack, wine and lach male Boob s of steel, not me.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

How do you look after 15 years? I hope you look fine, but I always remember that faces of Meth video on you tube which shows rapid decline in the users, and much less than 15 years .

Admitting that after 2+ years of Booze. A little misjudgement bout the danger.
Of the last legal drug [here] i looked like total shit. Felt and accordingly acted likewise.
Resulting in ao broken bones, my house became dirty, worst knowing,
the downward spiral your in. You look and feel like a Zombie and see and feel.
Your body deteriorating under you. But stopping not a option, physical dependent.

Dextro-Amphetamine, i am prescribed with some dr stop s in-between.
But that oral max 35 mg, keeps me kinda away from Booze.
Picked the last on up, very late in life. Coping.

But my Sissy Amphetamine use, not a speedfreak. DL-Amphetamine.
I look top, after reducing and breaks in drinking.
When compared to 30, 40 + i feel younger look fitter.

But Crystal even Speed whole other beast.
But not body dependence forming, i am just real sleepy without it.
Wonder what you experience the other 2, when stoppin abrupt ?

I am, no type to use some petrochemical powered kids toy [car],
blown to adult proportion s. To get grocery s ?
Use my hand s my feet in this scenario to get to the shop.
That is so close on bike you faster then a car.

They got belly fat, no six pack, whine a lot and lack male Boob s.
The ones made of steel, not me.

 

[Entropolis]

How do you look after 15 years? I hope you look fine, but I always remember that faces of Meth video on you tube which shows rapid decline in the users, and much less than 15 year

After thirty seven years i just look like a middle aged guy. Those adverts were made by the partnership for a drug free america. A privately owned company that gets huge sums of money from government funding & private donations. It's depended on scare tactics for it's entire existence. Remember the frying pan & egg commercial? Same people. Calling it a deeply vested interest would be a massive understatement. The moment the drug war ends, so does their gravy train.

 

[new2drugs]

After thirty seven years i just look like a middle aged guy. Those adverts were made by the partnership for a drug free america. A privately owned company that gets huge sums of money from government funding & private donations. It's depended on scare tactics for it's entire existence. Remember the frying pan & egg commercial? Same people. Calling it a deeply vested interest would be a massive understatement. The moment the drug war ends, so does their gravy train.

It's true that some people do look bad after meth. I guess they only picked those people. It surly wasn't faked

 

[juliojimenez892107@gmail.]

every day for 15 years and 'YOU control it.'

u held down a job in this time?

15 years ... long time

No Bs yea bro I have my own apartment, my own vehicle it's a I got a 2013 For mustang, a 2018 Kia forte nothing expensive, I pay my bills on time, n I been working at a gas station for the last 6 years I'm the store manager, always around and dealing with money, access to the safes , I guess I'm a responsible crack head LMAO. In the begging when I first started getting addicted, o believe me I lost it all for the first 3yrs out of the 15years till one day I saw my self , I was homeless, alone, n I grab my balls n told my self from this day on never again will I let it control me. N since I honestly n swear to God that I smoke meth every single day almost. Not like before but not a day goes by that I don't take one hit.. after all this years health wise I feel the difference. But I always been responsible, ppl can't even tell if I'm high or not or even assume that I'm on any type of drugs. I'm always smiling, giving great customer service, helping those in need while high AF lol.

 

[juliojimenez892107@gmail.]

How do you look after 15 years? I hope you look fine, but I always remember that faces of Meth video on you tube which shows rapid decline in the users, and much less than 15 years .

U would think after 15-16 years of smoking meth. I been out of it. The only thing I can say meth has done to me is effect my health, it's given me heart failure, kidney failure, and to be honest I can be up all day n night sober with out feeling tired but when I want to go to sleep I go n smoke meth n with in few minutes I'm dead asleep I shit u not. But yea I have all my teeth, I groom my self like I always have , jeans , button up shirts, Jordans shoes , watch on my wrist, almost all new ppl I meet that find out that I do meth have all said if I didn't say nothing they would of never have noticed. N I thank the universe ( I don't believe in God) but I thank wat ever is out there that I haven't ended up like most ppl do on meth.