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Crystal meth use in UK

Pingu

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I'm potentially going to be writing my criminology dissertation on the relative lack of prevalence of crystal meth use between the UK and other countries, giving reasons why this might be. Explanations I've thought of so far include historical, sociological and geographical reasons, as well as some relating to methods of production and the procurement of precursors.
Crystal meth use is prevalent in poland, czech republic and america. These three places all have widespread areas of unpopulated land, where production of meth could occur. This relative lack of space suitable for production seems a first glance to be a reason why there is limited meth, however MDMA production is supposedly rife in Amsterdam, with meth production needing a similar size space in which to synthesise.
The procurement of precursors needed for meth synthesis seems if anything to be easier to acquire than in other countries with high meth rates, with pseduo-ephedrine being available over the counter and apparently not watched by any authorities.
Late adoption of meth seems to be another area of research that does make sense when thinking about low use, with the media in the UK portraying meth as being a substance that one gets addicted to in one hit, with horrible consequences for anyone who does. This explanation becomes slightly less relevant when we compare this to the reporting of the crack epidemic in america, which was reported on in the UK media, and did not stop crack use spreading across the atlantic.
The high price of reportedly up to £200 a gram would likely play part, although that would be likely to come down were meth more widely available.
This is just a few ideas I've come up with so far. I'd be really grateful if anyone could come up with any other reasons for the lack of meth use. Any information or ideas anyone might have would be real helpful. Cheers in advance,

Pingu.
 
all I know is it's called 'tina' here, and is seen more as a party drug than a hard drug, unlike everywhere else. It's popular in the gay community, who tend to IV it.

I think it might not have taken off here because good crack cocaine is avaidable here, meeting peoples 'need' for a hard stimulant.
 
I always thought the street price was around £100/g.

Alot of people are wary of it due to the whole faces of meth, which is bullshit, (offered to mates "fuck that your teeth will fall out") as there are addicts out there been using 10g+ a day for years and look fine, im sure they are people who looks fucked up but 10 years abusing anything will do that.

Europe meth doesn't match up to USA standards, MDPV is more evil than meth, ;)
 
Europe meth doesn't match up to USA standards, MDPV is more evil than meth, ;)

I'm hesitant to agree that any drug's more intrinsically 'evil' than another; however, I'm inclined to agree with this statement, at least to some extent.

Which isn't to say that meth doesn't have terrific abuse potential, but it's vastly overstated. But yeah, the thread that NT linked covers this argument and pretty much everything.
 
£100 per gram!! More like £40 - £60.
Seen it a few times & it's becoming bigger. A semi friend had a gram only 2 weeks ago but I'm not willing to say much more.
I have nothing to do with the gay community but I've had on/off access to it for the last few years but really not a fan of stimulants apart from GOOD Crack <3

Edit - one word for you Sisa ;)
 
I would also add that in my experience its mainly restricted to the gay community in London and it is around in Manchester a little. The only time I've been offered it was by a gay guy in Manchester and the only person I know to have bought some got it from a gay friend (who was a doctor!)

There was an article on the BBC website with a tenuous link to breaking bad that stated it simply hasn't been fashionable here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23453028
 
I will try and find another article I read about the rise in concern about its prevalence in the London gay community, its being mixed with GBL use a lot and the result is rampant sexual promiscuity and risk taking when it comes to sexual health, not to mention the rise in addiction.
 
Media portrayal is not a good argument Ponch, they try the same trick with every new 'killer' drug.

I've read some good answers to this question from BL'ers in the past but you will need luck with the search engine. It's a question that has always interested me and I'm no closer to a definitive answer than you are. Good luck with the academic piece.

Your timing is impeccable btw. I've been doing meth on and off (mainly off obviously) for about 15 years now but hadn't had any for a good 4-5 years. Until my post from (insert Asian country) arrived yesterday! Only a couple of points but the way we smoke it that goes a frighteningly long way. Only downer is I have to sit and wait for the weekend for my friend to arrive from (insert Asian country). Happy days.
 
The Meth in California is immense, can easily stay up around a week on it no bother.
Days 10 and onwards you start to get some problems though

Not the Fresno/Bakersfield stuff either tho..go for the stuff from Chula Vista/ San Diego County
Mira Mesa and Cardiff by the Sea has really good meth nowadays :)

If there was a Meth World Cup ...Cardiff by the Sea would beat Fresno into a cocked hat thesedays

Wouldnt touch it again though, had my fair share :)*
*Disclaimer
 
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there are addicts out there been using 10g+ a day for years and look fine, im sure they are people who looks fucked up but 10 years abusing anything will do that.

^I don't know about that statement though!

Being from the Northeast US, it's never really fully "caught on" there either and is pretty difficult to find still, although it's becoming more popular.

There, cocaine and crack have been incredibly popular for years, and the dealing of it is so entrenched there, I think you'd definitely run into some problems with the criminal groups that distribute cocaine if you tried to just set up shop and sell meth in their territory. I think that's at least part of the reason that it's the only part of the country that hasn't been hit hard by it yet, and it's possible that it's the same in the UK.

However, in the US, most of the cocaine comes through Mexico and it's distribution is probably controlled by a lot of the same groups that now produce and sell meth. A lot of Mexican drug dealers have switched over to selling meth instead of cocaine. In places where cocaine and crack is popular and there's a high demand for it, it would be a hassle to try and get all the customers to switch to meth though. Why fuck up a good thing?(although most users who smoke a few hits of good crystal would abandon crack in a heartbeat)

The areas of the US where the meth epidemic hit the earliest and hardest were areas that were rural and probably didn't have too much in the way of cocaine or anything else to begin with. To this day, it's still easier to find meth in small rural US towns than in the big cities, and it's usually a lot cheaper too.

I think it really comes down to demand, a lot of people have never tried meth in the UK and therefore there's no demand for it yet, but pretty much everywhere that it begins to be sold it becomes a huge hit overnight. I'm sure it will make it's way there eventually. And there's probably enough of a demand even now that if you were able to get a few pounds of Meth into London, you'd make a fortune!

Another reason, for the amount of money that meth costs and the high it produces, it's a far more economical drug than crack cocaine. Crack is definitely more profitable because of how short the duration is, $40 of crack will last you an hour or so, $40 worth of meth could keep you high for 2 days or so...If a crack dealer switched to meth, he'd lose a lot of money!
 
^It depends on the day, two different things. With all the money in the world I'd take pure freebase cocaine.
 
I'm sure that mephedrone has created a taste for a certain type of euphoric stimulant. Bet whoever decides to introduce crystal meth to the British public on a large scale will kick in an open door.
 
I'm sure that mephedrone has created a taste for a certain type of euphoric stimulant. Bet whoever decides to introduce crystal meth to the British public on a large scale will kick in an open door.

its made its way to certain plush avenues. The shardy bits look like works of art, i am more than half tempted to try some, but i am not foolish enough to even try something else that i would almost certainly end up addicted to. If there was some way of just being able to get these things just once, id be ok, as i cant do just once. A lesson i learnt the very hard way.
 
Word of caution. I've been a life long speed head, addicted at points, but always held myself together, held down a job, relationship etc with minimal (i think) damage to my mental health. Then, against my girlfriends advice i got some meth. At first I found it easy to put the pipe down as its cleaner and lasts longer than regular speed, but the temptation to do it again starts creeping in. It ended up having an incredibly powerful physiological hold on me where i was thinking about it all the time and then i went on a binge. 3 days in and i was a paranoid, neurotic mess. My face started to sag and looked disgusting, I got a rash, and generally felt like death even though i had eaten and slept. Do not for one second underestimate the stuff, it will creep up on you. I know for a fact that i can not buy it as its far to tempting and powerful. I think ill stick to good old fashioned sulph from now on :)
 
Lovely stuff. Recommend.

(just always pull the plug before midday on Sunday and keep some benzos/booze about the place)
 
I only tried home cooked vint. Didn't pack the punch I wanted. It was nice but I really want to try purer crystal shit. Really need to get on it, I'm sure I could track it down without too much stress.
 
If I wanted to I could really get any drug I want... my Mate used to deal for one hell of a big drug dealers, selling kilos of coke at a time

So my mate could really ask him for any type of drug and he could get hold of some :p

I have always wanted to try meth... but I recon I would get addicted real fast, I got pretty addicted to Mephedrone... so meth would totally take over me :L
 
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