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Crackdown on marijuana increases rates of cannabis psychosis

pontifex01 said:
SHM, mate, you know one when you see one. I had to see my brother live in genuine, living hell for three years. Waking up with panic attacks every single morning, convinced the neighbours were spying on him and calling him a queer, convinced that my grandmother wanted to murder him, hearing and seeing things that weren't there, being a total misfit emotional zombie...
It destroyed his life. It hit him at 15 - the most sensitive, formative age, and completely fucked his prospects of graduating from high school. 6 years later and he's still putting the pieces back together.
A very close mate of mine's dad is a "proper" schizo as well - has conversations with Satan every day, forgets how to use things like the TV remote and the telephone, etc. One of his brothers and two of his cousins are just as bad.
Like I said, you know it when you see it. It's not some bullshit term like "depression", have some respect.

I do. When shit gets heavy and you'd rather get stoned on lorazepam and wine rather than step up and put shit right, as my dad did, it can destroy families. Same goes for weed, smack, etc. When you're stoned out of your box you don't see the shit that's about to hit the fan, and if you're in a position where others depend on you, as I am, ambition and being wide the fuck awake are most definitely favourable traits.

If you're thinking of Ginsberg and his ilk, IMO they were a bunch of twats. It can't be disputed that cannabis distorts your perception of proportion and linear reasoning; this tends to degrade the quality of written material. Tbh I can't think of any truly great writers who were stoners, or anyway, wrote while stoned. I can think of plenty of writers who were stoners, but none of them good. Of course this last point is just an aside and solely my opinion...
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Ponti, where am I showing disrespect to mental illness? You've completely missed my point. Which is that schizophrenia is still a catch-all phrase for some serious mental illnesses of which we have a lack of understanding and group them all together. (I only mentioned it because Ceres said 'proper' schizophrenic and that's quite ironic when we're talking about classifying schizophrenia which is still a general term in a lot of respects.)

Who is being disrespectful there? Me or the mental health authorities/bigwigs?

Secondly, I've been stoned for 30 years and I assure you I've seen all the shit hitting the fan before it was even thrown. (EDIT) It's not having no ambition that destroys people, it's the daily social pressures of the so called meritocracy we live in.

Third, no I am not talking about Ginsberg. I could name you several. People who have written acclaimed biographies. Mentioned that here before, a couple of people will know who/what I mean. A novelist. Comic writers. I could go on. I didn't realise we had to limit the list to all time greats who, by definition, lived 3 centuries ago.

I think you missed my post entirely. What are you on? :)
 
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By 'proper schizophrenic' I mean he was diagnosed as such and was considered to be organically psychotic, he was in his very early 20's and his first psychotic break stuck with him.

The rest...well, in the bigger picture of things I would rather see kids getting stoned than getting drunk if they are going to do one or the other, it is the lesser of two evils...

I started smoking weed when I was around 17. I didn't touch a drop of alcohol until I was 20/21, and then would generally shun it for a few further years until I gave up weed in my mid 20's and substituted it with drinking. heavily.

But there is a cultural element that glamorises cannabis consumption and associates it with various cliched lifestyles. That is what I don't like. People who are stoners and not just /people/ who happen to smoke weed.
 
pontifex01 said:
having been personally affected by marijuana (it also triggered my first panic attack and gave me three years of living hell and medication) I can't say it's as safe as people make it out to be
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Same, first panic attack at 18 (this was smoking huge amounts of soapbar, daily), which was the start of a very ugly period of anxiety, and eventually heavy self-medicating. I'm happy to say, 11 years later, that anxiety is now a small part of my life, and I can usually ignore it. I wasn't able to have one drag on a spliff, without freaking out, and feeling like I was dying. Luckily, I regained control of my mind, and I can now smoke again, with no issues. There's a difference between having the odd joint, and being baked 24/7. I don't personally know anyone who this happened to, and I know a lot of heavy smokers. I do believe the anxiety was already there (had ADHD since birth, and anxiety is linked to ADHD), I don't think that weed can CAUSE mental illness, rather TRIGGER it. That's after my own debilitating problems with it. Starting smoking weed at 13, and showing it no respect was my own fault. If I'd done the same with alcohol, I'd likely be dead now.
 
trigger or cause....I don't see the difference if the end result is the same. I think exacerbate is an appropriate word to use though.
 
Yeah, agreed on 'exacerbate'. However, that would lean more towards trigger than cause, wouldn't it? Pointless debate, really. There's no concrete proof for what I'm saying, just general feeling...
 
I never thought I'd touch weed again, but I slowly reintroduced it, probably as a way to 'teach' my brain that I don't give a fuck what it's throwing at me. Weird logic, but I'm currently vaping pure weed resin, which I collect from inside my vapouriser, and enjoying it. I never thought I'd get the choice again, but you have to tell anxiety to fuck off, in the end.
 
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