Court upholds "Bong Hits for Jesus" Banner (Merged) (Updated 3/17/07)

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^Erm... I don't know anything about this wedding you're talking about. But, I know that in the Bible it states that you should not abuse your body with intoxicants, ie: God's temple.
 
I agree with Diacetylus, although i'd laugh if i saw a banner saying that :\

I don't think 'bong hits 4 jesus' would be crossing the line of offending most people but i'm sure it would offend some, so why bother?
just to stir up another religious "discussion"?

stupid attention whore
 
^^ Not as offensive as this :p

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Diacetylus said:
Taking a stab at someone's religion is cheap and fucking stupid/childish. Don't get me wrong, I respect freedom of speech, but aren't there any other ways to go about it?
To me it makes sense the school intervened and didn't want it up.
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Do you really take a hypothesis that seriously? No, it's a guess. That's what religion is, so why take it seriously? A little humor might go a long way, and it probably could have prevented a few wars.
 
Diacetylus said:
I mean, you know Christians or Muslims in general don't like it when you bring humour into their religion, especially when it involves the prophet Mohhamoud, or Jesus. So, why the fuck do it?
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Sometimes, there's only one way to show someone that they need a sense of humour. If religion makes people so serious that they cannot enjoy their lives, then I believe it does not enrich their lives in any way. I realise that religion is important to a lot of people, but you can't go through life without a joke here and there - even if it is about you.
 
^It's not about that though. Religion is a very personal thing for some people. It's very hard to put into words... and even though I realise that these people are brainwashed to believe these things (coming from my perspective they are anyways...), it is just something you don't attack. We all know that this kid was just looking for attention and wanted 'the shock value-effect'... do you think he really did it for the laughs? You don't think it was because he wanted to stir up a shitstorm?
There are certain ways to be humourous...

It's like... my friends and I have a good chuckle at gay jokes, but it is only common-sense not to make fun of gays in public.
 
Diacetylus said:
^It's not about that though. Religion is a very personal thing for some people. It's very hard to put into words... and even though I realise that these people are brainwashed to believe these things (coming from my perspective they are anyways...), it is just something you don't attack. We all know that this kid was just looking for attention and wanted 'the shock value-effect'... do you think he really did it for the laughs? You don't think it was because he wanted to stir up a shitstorm?
There are certain ways to be humourous...

It's like... my friends and I have a good chuckle at gay jokes, but it is only common-sense not to make fun of gays in public.
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"If you can't tell a joke in front of the people it makes fun of, you've got no right to say it all" ~ mencia
 
Diacetylus said:
Taking a stab at someone's religion is cheap and fucking stupid/childish. Don't get me wrong, I respect freedom of speech, but aren't there any other ways to go about it?
To me it makes sense the school intervened and didn't want it up.
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indeed. in addition to that i think it makes pot smokers look bad....
 
Diacetylus said:
I just think it's childish and stupid. Why attack someone's personal religious beliefs and at the same time make fun of them?
If I were principal of that high school, I wouldn't allow that sort of shit, so as to avoid drama.
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I'm with you.

And quite simply, the poster promoted drug use. That's against school policy. And although I'm quite opposed to the anti-drug scare tactics employed by school, and although I wouldn't mind my own children hearing the facts about drugs rather than anti-drug propaganda, there's still nothing appropriate about drug use being promoted to or by school kids.

It's bad enough watching my neice-in-laws in elementary school repeating stuff they hear in hip hop songs and bits and pieces of things they catch about Paris Hilton in the media or mimicking the sexual dancing they see in videos on MTV (while watching it at friends houses since their parents don't allow in the home - and with good reason).
 
panic_the_digital said:
^No shit! I was raised Catholic, and we got to drink wine every Sunday. Seriously, if this offends you, you need to take a bong hit for Jesus.
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Word up this doesnt attack shit except people who don't smoke pot, even so it doesnt attack them.

Yeah dude, you need a bong hit 4 jesus
 
For many Rastas, smoking cannabis (known as ganja, herb, kali, or lambs bread) is a spiritual act, often accompanied by Bible study; they consider it a sacrament that cleans the body and mind, exalts the consciousness, facilitates peacefulness, and brings them closer to Jah. The burning of the herb is often said to be essential "for it will sting in the hearts of those that promote and perform evil and wrongs". Many believe that cannabis originated in Africa, and that it is a part of their African culture that they are reclaiming.

They are not surprised that it is illegal, seeing it as a powerful substance that opens people's minds to the truth — something the Babylon system, they reason, clearly does not want. They contrast their herb to liquor, which they feel makes people stupid, and is not a part of African culture. While there is a clear belief in the beneficial qualities of cannabis, it is not compulsory to use it, and there are Rastafarians who do not do so. Dreadlocked mystics, often ascetic, known as the sadhus, have smoked cannabis in India for centuries. The migration of many thousands of Indian Hindus to the Caribbean in the 20th century brought this culture to Jamaica.

They believe that the smoking of cannabis enjoys Biblical sanction and is an aid to meditation and religious observance.
Among Biblical verses Rastas believe justify the use of herb:

Genesis 1:11 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so."
Genesis 3:18 "... thou shalt eat the herb of the field."
Proverbs 15:17 "Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, than a stalled ox and hatred therewith."[1]
Psalms 104:14 "He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man."
According to Rastafarian and other scholars, the etymology of the word "cannabis" and similar terms in all the languages of the Near East may be traced to the Hebrew qaneh bosm קנה-בשמ that is one of the herbs God commands Moses to include in his preparation of sacred anointing perfume in Exodus 30:23; the Hebrew term also appears in Isaiah 43:24; Jeremiah 6:20; Ezekiel 27:19; and Song of Songs 4:14. Deuterocanonical and canonical references to the patriarchs Adam, Noah, Abraham and Moses "burning incense before the Lord" are also applied, and many Rastas today refer to cannabis by the term ishence — a slightly changed form of the English word "incense".
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastafarianism#Ganja

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obviously some Christians - for rastafarianism is a Christian faith, accepting only the bible as god's true word - think that it is a good Christian's duty to smoke cannabis.
 
Too bad there isn't a rastafarian church around portland, i'd fit right in! Getting blazed, reading the bible, and having great religious conversations with a bunch of chill ass rastas ? I'm down.
 
sounygordna said:
Jesus doesn't equal Christianity. Every christian I've ever met has vastly mis-interpreted what he was trying to say IMO.

Bong hits 4 Jesus. Amen.
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I never said that Jesus did equal Christianity. But, they [Christians] worship him as a prophet. The child that created this poster, would have been aware that most Christians would oppose something that portrays their prophet as glorifying something that is illegal.
Speak to any hardcore Christian and ask them what they think of pot smoking and you'll get my point.

Yes. Alot of Christians do misinterpret the Bible. But, let them be and live their life in what we think of as ignorance. Don't rub their faces in it publicly.
 
i was raised a christian, went to a christian school, my moms really religious, but that doesnt stop me and her from smokin out...i think that kid was hilarious, why cant we have a bong hit for jesus? hes a cool guy....we take hits for friends who are no longer alive why cant we take one for jesus, someone who died for us? people just need to take the tampons outta their asses and lighten up. smoke one, relax, laugh.
 
soundygordna: Actually, I don't know the verse or passage it was in, but I remember reading that opposing the law in any way is against God's will. It also states that you should always hold respect for your nation leader.

Of course it doesn't directly say in the Bible that you shouldn't go ahead the speed limit in your automobile, or look up kiddy porn...
 
I actually thought the banner was Pro-Jesus. Like "I'll drink to that", but instead "I'll spark one for Jesus".

Religion and politics aside, he was on public property, anyone can wave around any damn sign they want on public land as long is it isn't obscene (vague law) or promote hate.

So really the school had absolutely no grounds for a suspension, it's his time not the school's time.

Any by the way Judge Kleinfeld made me laugh (not only because I thought of Carlito's Way) because it isn't "Intrumentalities" it's "Instruments" of government.

I was raised Roman Catholic, went to a Catholic highschool, but I don't really practice, even if he was taking a stab at Jesus I wouldn't care., the banner isn't offensive.

Jesus and the new testament can be summed up in one simple phrase: Love they neighbour as thyself. Simple message, easily twisted by the powers that be.
 
Bong Hits 4 Jesus’ goes to high court

‘Bong Hits 4 Jesus’ goes to high court
Student hung banner off school property, sparking free speech debate

The Associated Press
Updated: 3:50 p.m. ET Dec 1, 2006

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court stepped into a dispute over free speech rights Friday involving a suspended high school student and his banner that proclaimed “Bong Hits 4 Jesus.”

Justices agreed to hear the appeal by the Juneau, Alaska, school board and principal Deborah Morse of a lower court ruling that allowed the student’s civil rights lawsuit to proceed. The school board hired former Whitewater prosecutor Kenneth Starr to argue its case to the high court.

Morse suspended Frederick after he displayed the banner, with its reference to marijuana use, when the Olympic torch passed through Juneau in 2002 on its way to the Winter Games in Salt Lake City.

Frederick, then a senior, was off school property when he hoisted the banner but was suspended for violating the school’s policy of promoting illegal substances at a school-sanctioned event.

The school board upheld the suspension and a federal judge initially dismissed Frederick’s lawsuit before the 9th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals called the banner vague and nonsensical, but said that Frederick’s civil rights had been violated.


At that point, the school board hired Starr, who investigated President Clinton’s relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky. He took the case free of charge.

The appeals court said that even if the banner could be construed as a positive message about marijuana use, the school could not punish or censor a student’s speech because it promotes a social message contrary to one the school favors.

Frederick said his motivation for unfurling the banner was simple: He wanted it seen on television.

The case is Juneau School Board v. Frederick, 06-278.
 
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