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Could mdma be used to help heroin addicts?

MazDan

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I have no idea if this concept has ever been considerred before or if it would even work...........but hell u just never know.

Recently I had a night of E with a mate who is a heroin addict.

We rolled for about 8-10 hours.

He had not had a hit for about 3 hours or so prior to this (possibly longer but as I wasnt with him then, I cant confirm that.)

During the period while on the E, he had no desire to want to use the H.

Now is it possible that the sense of well being that E provides was enough to overcome his desire for H?

Is it possible that staying dosed up on E for whatever time it takes to break the H cycle (my understanding is its less than a week) would make it an easy way of breaking it?

Of course some consideration would need to be given to what harm if any the mdma is doing during this extended run and also if there would be a significant come down from e after that period.

I guess its also possible that while it kept the H at bay in the short term, that over a longer period of time the call of the H may still get to much?



Now very possibly all my ideas above are full of holes..........please feel free to point them out............twas just an idea?
 
Ernestrome said:
Why not use ibogaine once? Assuming no heart problems.
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Im not familiar with that one but if its anything like the others that my mates parents had to pay for then its extremely expensive?
 
MazDan said:
Im not familiar with that one but if its anything like the others that my mates parents had to pay for then its extremely expensive?
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http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ibogaine/ibogaine.shtml

I'm not sure what your mate's parents paid for, did it work?

I would say there would be a very significant come down after using mdma for several days. Repeated administration is a good way to achieve neurotoxicity: the dosing regimes in neurotoxicity experiments in animals use repeated doses over a period of time. I don't think it would be a good idea to do it.

Ibogaine has an advantage in that regard in that it is only used once, and seems to stop addicts craving heroin for several months afterwards.
 
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I'm sure MDMA would be very good at helping to treat the psychological side of addiction but physical? I doubt it. I'm sure prolonged usage could effectively mask physical withdrawal symptoms but prolonged MDMA use is probably, physiologically, more dangerous than prolonged heroin use.
 
I've never taken MDMA while in withdrawal, but MDA sure made withdrawal extremely more hellish than it already is. Any kind of substance that amplifies sensations and perception (and ibogaine seems a unique special exception) is going to make WD more painful. Hell, I don't even like smoking pot when I am in WD.

I would not put too faith in your friend quitting because he took MDMA. The only way a person can quit opiate addiction is to STRONGLY want to do so. Once your entire live revolves around an opiate, there really is no going back. Your friend should consider buprenorphine or methadone treatment.
 
morninggloryseed said:
I've never taken MDMA while in withdrawal, but MDA sure made withdrawal extremely more hellish than it already is. Any kind of substance that amplifies sensations and perception (and ibogaine seems a unique special exception) is going to make WD more painful. Hell, I don't even like smoking pot when I am in WD.

I would not put too faith in your friend quitting because he took MDMA. The only way a person can quit opiate addiction is to STRONGLY want to do so. Once your entire live revolves around an opiate, there really is no going back. Your friend should consider buprenorphine or methadone treatment.
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Intereswting that the mda made it worse........... never having used, its impossible for mer to fully understand I guess.


haha, no I wasnt hoping it would help my friend, I guess if anything just throwing up a wacky idea more than anything.

Oh and there IS another way to quit other than wanting to. My mate is now clean even though he didnt exactly want to............he was jailed for break and enters. Hopefully it signals the end to this chapter of his life.
 
^True enough. We'll see if he stays clean once he gets out.

Also, read up on ibogaine. It's a really interesting topic.
 
I think all psychedelic phenethylamines can help heroin addicts... (and other hallucinogens like tryptamines too)
 
MazDan said:
Is it possible that staying dosed up on E for whatever time it takes to break the H cycle (my understanding is its less than a week) would make it an easy way of breaking it?
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I'd imagine that would be a crappy comedown after a few days of use + any depression/body fatigue from going through WD = horrible time. Most definitely would end up using at that point.

morninggloryseed said:
I've never taken MDMA while in withdrawal, but MDA sure made withdrawal extremely more hellish than it already is. Any kind of substance that amplifies sensations and perception (and ibogaine seems a unique special exception) is going to make WD more painful. Hell, I don't even like smoking pot when I am in WD.
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I think you're in the minority on that last statement. I don't know how I would eat, sleep, or relax during WD without pot. For the period of time I spend hitting my vaporizer and the couple of hours the high lasts I get decent relief that is a welcome break from WD effects.

MJ helps me with: Nausea, muscle/joint aches, regulate my body temperature (removes inner chill/hot skin feeling), fall asleep, get relaxed, remove anxiety, mood lift, and maybe something else I'm forgetting.

Everyone is different, just thought that was a bit odd.
 
ill personally would like cuple quality e's and bunch of weed waay than a hit of h. never iv'd but i believe with iv its little different story and its twice addictive couse the rush.
but i say that with full heart.
and i got good dope here in the middle east;)
h is just a good feeling but thats it. i allways miss the magic of mdma and acid.
 
Haha, you can use that stuff to help anyone feel a little less shitty.

Withdrawal sucks, that's an absolute- but I'm assuming it'd be easier to handle with some MDMA rumbling through you.
 
Couple other people noted pot makes WD worse for them as well. But you are right...everyone is different. Just the nature of pot...it affects everyone so differenly. AS I mentioned, for me it amplifies everything (just like a psychedelic) so emotions, the body, etc are all more noticable.
 
The mdma might make people question their addiction and where they're life is leading to, but I dont think it directly aids someone in quitting heroin.
 
morninggloryseed said:
Couple other people noted pot makes WD worse for them as well. But you are right...everyone is different. Just the nature of pot...it affects everyone so differenly. AS I mentioned, for me it amplifies everything (just like a psychedelic) so emotions, the body, etc are all more noticable.
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yes in fact the majority claims it makes it worse..
I know a guy that, although saying it indeed made it generally worse for him, he did it because he liked a stoned head so much.. so worse physically wise, better psychologically wise..[for him]..
But weed has diverse effects on people too...
 
I think MDMA could be used to catalyze their desire to quit, especially if they're in denial about having a problem (THE WOOD actually has a good story about a junky friend of his whose road to recovery was catalyzed by an MDMA experience). However, I don't think it could be used like ibogaine to actually stave off the desire to use the drug. Also, there are many people who enjoy combining MDXX compounds and strong opiates (PhreeX has some experiences in this vein).
 
Opiate addiction is a lot more complex than the general public leads to believe and there is nothing you can do to just reverse it. Like 5-HT2 said it can make then realize that they're on a bad path or it can give them more passion for the future/their life but other than that it cant do very much. IMO any stimulants, psychedelics, or anything stimulating/energizing makes the physical side a lot worse. Pot doesnt really make it worse for me. It makes me relaxed and a little more comfortable.
 
LSD works magnificently in my subjective opinion !!!!!!!

Because it is the most emotional of the psychedelics on a deep subconscious level IMHO!!!!

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I believe all addictions are emotionally instigated. The physical side is difficult, but the emotional side keeps the behaviour going !
 
i say your mate goes cold turkey until he gets it right, maybe he will the first time, never know.
 
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