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Could E-Cigarettes lead to marijuana becoming legal?

SpiralOut

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Ok, so a few months back I finally heard about this new trend where people use electronic cigarettes instead of the real deal. I was intrigued by this and start doing some research and supposedly these "e-cigarettes" are the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Basically, the idea is that you have a battery, an atomizer, and a cartridge full of water, nicotine, and a few other chemicals. When you suck in, a microchip in the device recognizes you're inhaling and sends the liquid through the atomizer which heats it up into vapor, which you then inhale.

I was pretty impressed because you can carry these things around easily, they last awhile, they're easy to recharge, and they come in a variety of flavors including menthol, vanilla, coffee (8o), and cherry. Oh yeah, they're also a lot cheaper than a normal cigarette habit and you aren't killing yourself while smoking on these things!

Anyway, recently the FDA and the government have banned the importation of these e-cigarettes, saying they are not FDA approved and could be harmful, toxic, etc. Nevermind that real cigarettes aren't FDA approved, kill hundreds of thousands of Americans a year, and all that jazz yet are still allowed to be sold all over.

Obviously the reason the FDA is stopping the sale of these e-cigarettes is not because of their potentially harmful effects, but because the FDA is a government entity and the government is a pawn of big business. Namely Philip Morris and the tobacco companies.

Can you even imagine how freaked out the executives at the tobacco companies must be? Here's a product that gives you the exact same nicotine high that your cigarettes do yet it doesn't give you cancer, doesn't turn your teeth yellow, doesn't make you stink, and doesn't turn your skin yellow and sickly. And it's cheaper! They have to be flipping out and so it's no surprise the government would step in and try banning these things.

So, this got me to thinking. Eventually the government will have to allow these things to be sold. They can't be any more harmful than cigarettes, so while the government could possibly regulate their sale to 18 and older or something, they can't ban their sale forever. This means that sooner or later, Philip Morris is going to start running out of customers, right? If you have a healthy alternative to cigarettes to get your nicotine fix while still being able to "smoke", why wouldn't you take it? You aren't giving anything up by switching over to e-cigs except all the negative effects.

This got me to thinking that maybe e-cigs would spell doom for the draconian marijuana laws in this country. Philip Morris is going to be desperate to find new customers or a new product to get people hooked on, right? If they can't sell cigarettes to people, they're boned. However, they COULD sell marijuana cigarettes to people. That would be an exciting new product for them to market to the masses, they'd have a monopoly on the marijuana cigarette market (obviously plenty of ways to smoke weed, but in easy travel cigarette form they'd be king), and they'd have a whole new set of customers to replace the ones they're inevitably going to lose to electronic cigarettes.

Taking into account the considerable clout the tobacco companies have in Washington, I think it's certainly possible that they might start pushing for marijuana legalization sometime in the near future. If these e-cigs really take off then it might hasten the downfall of the most bogus, discriminatory, and evil laws our country has.

On a side note, I'm not a smoker. I will occasionally light up a menthol or a cigar when with friends, but I'm not a real smoker. However, from all accounts about these things I've read from hardcore smokers, it has changed their lives. They smoke the e-cigs less than they did normal cigarettes, they can breathe better, they feel better, and it's saving them a ton of green. Also, these e-cigs can actually help you quit smoking altogether. The cartridges which hold the liquid solution come in varying degrees of nicotine content. So you can go from full-flavored ones which have a lot of nicotine in them down to standard, light, ultra-light, and then even cartridges with no nicotine in them at all.
 
awesome read, and once again the government just wants to screw us all! i heard of them and my friend picked one up, he said it worked very good but its hard to do it with cannabis.
 
Its an interesting thought..

But I think its far more realistic that down the line Philip Morris will simply get into the business of selling these e-cigarettes and refill cartridges before they fight for legalization so they can sell weed.
 
Yea I was reading an article on these the other day about how the FDA has seized some shipments of this because they found carcinogens and other toxic chemicals. If this is true, the real problem is that the companies selling these things claim that they are perfectly safe when they may in fact be harmful to your health.

So on those grounds, the FDA maybe right to try to spread the word and possibly force these companies to put warning labels on their products. Of course, if they become completely illegal than that is just a bunch of bullshit because they are almost certainly less harmful than normal cigarettes.
 
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I am in love with this idea.

I agree this is the future of smokeable compounds, in a few years I genuinely hopes this catches on. I plan on trying out a pack (I don't smoke) :).
 
I'm sure they have thought of this one million times.

The problem?

Addiction.

That and people can grow their own goddamn weed for free with little to no expertise. They have a good thing going already, with or without the e-cigs.
 
^yeah, all those pot addicts.... :P

yeah I'd also try this even though I don't smoke
 
... people can grow their own goddamn weed for free with little to no expertise. They have a good thing going already, with or without the e-cigs.

Thats one good reason weed most likely will never be legal. Pharmacuetical companies also have a big interest to not see marijuana become legal because even they know marijuana is 1million times safer then meds they make/prescribe that cannabis could be supplemented for
 
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Yea I was reading an article on these the other day about how the FDA has seized some shipments of this because they found carcinogens and other toxic chemicals. If this is true, the real problem is that the companies selling these things claim that they are perfectly safe when they may in fact be harmful to your health.

So on those grounds, the FDA maybe right to try to spread the word and possibly force these companies to put warning labels on their products. Of course, if they become completely illegal than that is just a bunch of bullshit because they are almost certainly less harmful than normal cigarettes.

Yea they tested all(most) the brands available. They found half of them contained weird carcinogen stimulants or some shit. Think they mentioned antifreeze too. Not sure about the legitimacy of the article though.

No sources for it. And the article didn't site any real scientific sources either.
 
the more non-smoking ROA's they find for cannabis, the better the chances of legalization. but, relative to edibles and vaporizers, i think the "e-cigarette" design is kind of on the fringe as far as popularity.
 
Yea they tested all(most) the brands available. They found half of them contained weird carcinogen stimulants or some shit. Think they mentioned antifreeze too. Not sure about the legitimacy of the article though.

No sources for it. And the article didn't site any real scientific sources either.

Well one of the chemicals included is Propylene Glycol or something. It's not real antifreeze or whatever as I understand it. Stuff is used in smoke/fog machines, so if you've gone to a concert that uses those, you've inhaled a ton of it.

As far as a ton of other carcinogens, I don't think so. Most sites I saw for these things listed water, nicotine, and the "pseudo antifreeze" stuff.

Obviously, them marketing these e-cigs as "healthy" is bogus. Inhaling nicotine is never "healthy." It's only healthy as opposed to you smoking cigarettes all the time. Still, I don't think these companies would intentionally put in a bunch of toxic stuff. What would be the point of that? It would ruin your product's reputation and kill your customer base before it ever got started.

I really can't speak to it effectively since I haven't seen any actual studies, but my guess is it's the FDA making shit up to support the tobacco companies. Kind of like the government makes shit up about other drugs like weed, ecstasy, etc. and so forth.

Also, couldn't these companies get in a lot of trouble if they sold these e-cigs with harmful, toxic ingredients and didn't mention them on the label? Here's part of the "Product FAQ" from one of the websites selling these e-cigs:

What’s inside the vapor?

The vapor is primarily purified water, nicotine, propylene glycol and flavor.

Nicotine is a highly addictive substance found in tobacco. Therefore, Green Smoke's electric cigarette is not recommended to be used by non smokers. However, it is not harmful or cancer causing. You get to choose the level of nicotine that is right for you. Green Smoke offers cartridges that allow you to choose the level of nicotine that you wish to consume. Switching to a lighter cartridge offers Green Smokers an easy way to reduce their nicotine consumption over time.

Green Smoke's vapor contains traces of flavor. The flavor can also produce a slight scent, but most people are not offended by the ‘second-hand scent’ of chocolate, coffee, menthol or vanilla! The vapor also contains propylene glycol, an organic additive typically found in food coloring and cake mixes. It is considered to be safe by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). The vapor is a healthier, realistic-feeling smoking alternative. There is no tobacco, tar, carbon monoxide or any other carcinogens in the vapor.


http://greensmoke.com/catalog/product-faq/info_22.html

EDIT: And after looking around a bit, I found out that that antifreeze ingredient is also used in toothpaste and sometimes is used to make wine taste sweeter....

Sounds really dangerous to me! ;)
 
i think the reasoning in the OP's post above rests on a faulty premise-- namely that governments operate rationally.
 
i think the reasoning in the OP's post above rests on a faulty premise-- namely that governments operate rationally.

Actually I know it doesn't.

I think the government acts in its own self interest and the interest of the corporations that share its bed. Thus the FDA is full of shit and if it becomes more profitable for the big corporations to legalize marijuana, they will.
 
rofl, what do you mean 'if it it becomes more profitable?' more profitable than what? the billion dollar industry it already is (and was that just in California?)?

'big corporations' would make ASSLOADS of cash if marijuana were to be legalized.
 
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