brimz
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It sparked a psychotic episode which is not something i have ever had b4 i am more Neurotic - Anxiety etc than Psychotic . I also have taken all the conventional PSYCHS like Lsd & Mushrooms 100s of times.
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Coroner calls for 'legal high' ban after death of Swindon man
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mydrugbuddy
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sounds like a nightmare. I doubt i'd ever have bothered getting any, but i certainly wont be bothering now.
brimz
Bluelighter
Like i said it might be ok for some but that was my experience n as i said have never had Psychotic tendencies , anyone that has even minor ones should steer well clear imo
mydrugbuddy
Bluelighter
my 'house of cards' is allways liable to come tumbling down on psychs, i'll definately avoid.
curious_24
Bluelighter
So he's also gonna be asking for a ban on alcohol, nicotine and caffeine, right? All deadly legal highs.
I hope so! ^
Shit Brimz, I didn't know you'd had a crisis through use of aMT? I never got on with it. I always start small & provided the initial effects of whatever aren't unpleasant & don't feel dangerous I move up, slowly. Never got beyond 10/15mg of aMT, it just didn't feel right. I saw plenty posts about 30mg this & 50mg that but I never went up because it just didn't feel right. If there are chems that produce psychedelia safely, & there are hundreds, then why would I try pushing aMT to get that effect? Fuck it, I'll just take what I KNOW I like. The law on this subject has no bearing on the matter. Legal, as is so often said these days, does not mean safe.
Friend of mine has similar issues with stims. He can't take them except in the tiniest doses, & even the he risks panic attacks. So he said this to another mate of mine, Methylone was the subject at the time, & this chap, who just happens to deal drugs, reckoned my mate was simply taking TOO LITTLE! He reckoned push the dosing, double it & you'll be fine. Doesn't that sound just like drug dealer talk?
Some compounds do feel a little odd at threshold doses, but not necessarily horrible or dangerous. MDMA & most psyches can & do need a certain dose to push through to the truly brilliant effects, but it's not a hard & fast rule. If someone feels unwell, or unhappy on a certain dose of a certain drug, it really isn't clever to take more expecting the problems to go away, is it?
I spend a bit of time railing against 5-mapb, for reasons that would be obvious to anyone who knows me or wants to check out my post history (hint, check January 2013) but I get ALOT of stick both here & elsewhere on the internets when I spend time dissing peoples favourite chem. Take it on the chin Brimz! I know what I know, you know what you know.
What dose of aMT brought you to hospital in a psychotic state Brimz?
Some dude on the Hive figured out the formula, tested it on himself & posted te synthesis & results. Then someone in Israel copied the work, maketed the drug & bingo, Mephedronia! As the chap in the vid discussed is Israeli, it isn't unreasonable to suppose he may well have been the guy that got 'drone onto the market. He would be like Shulgin is to MDMA, the Godfather of Meph!
Shit Brimz, I didn't know you'd had a crisis through use of aMT? I never got on with it. I always start small & provided the initial effects of whatever aren't unpleasant & don't feel dangerous I move up, slowly. Never got beyond 10/15mg of aMT, it just didn't feel right. I saw plenty posts about 30mg this & 50mg that but I never went up because it just didn't feel right. If there are chems that produce psychedelia safely, & there are hundreds, then why would I try pushing aMT to get that effect? Fuck it, I'll just take what I KNOW I like. The law on this subject has no bearing on the matter. Legal, as is so often said these days, does not mean safe.
Friend of mine has similar issues with stims. He can't take them except in the tiniest doses, & even the he risks panic attacks. So he said this to another mate of mine, Methylone was the subject at the time, & this chap, who just happens to deal drugs, reckoned my mate was simply taking TOO LITTLE! He reckoned push the dosing, double it & you'll be fine. Doesn't that sound just like drug dealer talk?
Some compounds do feel a little odd at threshold doses, but not necessarily horrible or dangerous. MDMA & most psyches can & do need a certain dose to push through to the truly brilliant effects, but it's not a hard & fast rule. If someone feels unwell, or unhappy on a certain dose of a certain drug, it really isn't clever to take more expecting the problems to go away, is it?
I spend a bit of time railing against 5-mapb, for reasons that would be obvious to anyone who knows me or wants to check out my post history (hint, check January 2013) but I get ALOT of stick both here & elsewhere on the internets when I spend time dissing peoples favourite chem. Take it on the chin Brimz! I know what I know, you know what you know.
What dose of aMT brought you to hospital in a psychotic state Brimz?
Some dude on the Hive figured out the formula, tested it on himself & posted te synthesis & results. Then someone in Israel copied the work, maketed the drug & bingo, Mephedronia! As the chap in the vid discussed is Israeli, it isn't unreasonable to suppose he may well have been the guy that got 'drone onto the market. He would be like Shulgin is to MDMA, the Godfather of Meph!
Mental Kenny
Bluelighter
It's weird I find AMT at higher doses much much better than at lower ones, if taken orally anything less than 60mgs will just give me flu symptoms, nausea, the shits and nothing good at the mental level. Above that and it gets extremely pleasant, euphoric and nicely trippy. Best ROA is chased off foil though, lush that way. To each their own obviously.
Bad reactions can happen with any psychedelic, sad to hear about Brimz's bad experience with it but it could have happened with dozens of other psychedelics both traditional and RCs.
Bad reactions can happen with any psychedelic, sad to hear about Brimz's bad experience with it but it could have happened with dozens of other psychedelics both traditional and RCs.
Honestly, if I felt a bit rough on 10 or 15mg I would NEVER get to 60. Never!
The Hive was taken down by law enforcement IF I remember correctly. This is before my time, but alot of The Hive was kept by it's users & most of it has since been archived. I feel I may infringe synthesis rules if I place a link here, so Google up "The Hive Archive" & see if you can find it! It wasn't a vending site to the best of my recollection, more of an information hub for budding chemists. I think.
The Hive was taken down by law enforcement IF I remember correctly. This is before my time, but alot of The Hive was kept by it's users & most of it has since been archived. I feel I may infringe synthesis rules if I place a link here, so Google up "The Hive Archive" & see if you can find it! It wasn't a vending site to the best of my recollection, more of an information hub for budding chemists. I think.
babylonboy
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Yeah the Hive was a site where people discussed drug chemistry (mostly), a lot of practical talk about methamphetamine and MDMA manufacture, but also any other thing you could possibly make. I checked after I posted, a Hive user synthed and tasted mephedrone in 2003, and that seems to be the first time anyone had heard of it. It was shut down because Strike, the guy who ran it, also made MDMA and ran a chemical supply company that supplied other clandestine chemists. He's still inside, but Erowid has a mirror of a lot of the stuff (search "Rhodium").
BecomingJulie
Bluelight Crew
If the drugs that people have been taking since the Stone Age (yes, that's right -- people were cultivating plants to get high before they were cultivating plants for food, and don't spend too long wondering why brewing used to be the exclusive preserve of women or you'll never touch a beer again) were still legal, there wouldn't be a market for new legal highs.
So I'm tempted to call this one another casualty of prohibition.
Getting high is a natural biological urge, like sex or going to the toilet. People are going to find ways of satisfying that urge when it strikes them. I'm an outlaw, and I live by my own code, but I suppose for some people it's just easier to conflate "legal" with "safe" and "illegal" with "dangerous". When in reality, they are essentially unrelated concepts, and knowing the legality of something tells you nothing about its safety.
So I'm tempted to call this one another casualty of prohibition.
Getting high is a natural biological urge, like sex or going to the toilet. People are going to find ways of satisfying that urge when it strikes them. I'm an outlaw, and I live by my own code, but I suppose for some people it's just easier to conflate "legal" with "safe" and "illegal" with "dangerous". When in reality, they are essentially unrelated concepts, and knowing the legality of something tells you nothing about its safety.
Couldn't of said it better myself.
Also making something illegal and pushing it underground can make something relatively safe into something potentially dangerous but they NEVER seem to learn this
BecomingJulie
Bluelight Crew
Well, yeah. That's what you get when the people in charge don't understand what they're in charge of. It happened in industry with the rise of "management" as a transferrable skill, so you had bosses running companies without the first idea about the products they were selling. Now it's moving into government, with politicians apparently ignorant of simple human nature.
Consider running a chip shop. By law, you have to submit to safety inspections. You have to adhere to proper working practices. You have to use the proper ingredients -- the reinheitsgebot prescribes potatoes, fat, salt, vinegar, and nothing else. Your equipment has to be certified safe -- that means no leakage of carbon monoxide from gas or oil burning equipment, and proper insulation and circuit breakers on electrical equipment. You have to dispose of your waste cooking oil properly. None of this is, in and of itself, controversial; most people would agree that there is a need for regulation, with perhaps some dispute about the finer details in some unusual cases.
Now imagine that the government have decided to crack down on obesity and ordered the closure of all chip shops, with severe penalties for anyone caught cooking or eating chips, or profiting from the sale of chips, or conspiring to do so.
But the demand for chips has not gone away. All of a sudden, illegal, underground chip shops have no need to respect safe working practices. Maintenance becomes an unnecessary expenditure. Staff have no choice but to work in whatever sqaulid conditions management impose. There are industrial accidents from hastily unloading potatoes to avoid discovery, and a spate of poisonings from dodgy home-made vinegar. Unsafe frying ranges explode in fireballs, spew out lethal carbon monoxide and electrocute the unwary. The countryside is blighted by illegally-dumped cooking oil. For awhile, a brave hold-out of die-hard, old-school chip gourmets cling to the traditional methods, and uphold the code des fritiers which states that as long as there be any who be deprived of the Chip, the tingle of the salt upon the tongue, the choking sensation in the back of the throat as the vinegar hits and the crisp, golden exterior yielding to the incisors and bursting to reveal a soft, fluffy interior mean nothing; but they, and the essential difference between the noble values they represent and the greed of the illegal chip merchants, are ignored by the media who prefer to concentrate on sensationalised accounts of the most sordid chip shops.
(And don't worry, chips are still legal. For now .....
)
Consider running a chip shop. By law, you have to submit to safety inspections. You have to adhere to proper working practices. You have to use the proper ingredients -- the reinheitsgebot prescribes potatoes, fat, salt, vinegar, and nothing else. Your equipment has to be certified safe -- that means no leakage of carbon monoxide from gas or oil burning equipment, and proper insulation and circuit breakers on electrical equipment. You have to dispose of your waste cooking oil properly. None of this is, in and of itself, controversial; most people would agree that there is a need for regulation, with perhaps some dispute about the finer details in some unusual cases.
Now imagine that the government have decided to crack down on obesity and ordered the closure of all chip shops, with severe penalties for anyone caught cooking or eating chips, or profiting from the sale of chips, or conspiring to do so.
But the demand for chips has not gone away. All of a sudden, illegal, underground chip shops have no need to respect safe working practices. Maintenance becomes an unnecessary expenditure. Staff have no choice but to work in whatever sqaulid conditions management impose. There are industrial accidents from hastily unloading potatoes to avoid discovery, and a spate of poisonings from dodgy home-made vinegar. Unsafe frying ranges explode in fireballs, spew out lethal carbon monoxide and electrocute the unwary. The countryside is blighted by illegally-dumped cooking oil. For awhile, a brave hold-out of die-hard, old-school chip gourmets cling to the traditional methods, and uphold the code des fritiers which states that as long as there be any who be deprived of the Chip, the tingle of the salt upon the tongue, the choking sensation in the back of the throat as the vinegar hits and the crisp, golden exterior yielding to the incisors and bursting to reveal a soft, fluffy interior mean nothing; but they, and the essential difference between the noble values they represent and the greed of the illegal chip merchants, are ignored by the media who prefer to concentrate on sensationalised accounts of the most sordid chip shops.
(And don't worry, chips are still legal. For now .....
)
ScotchMist
Bluelight Crew
Wasnt it aMT that was dosed on those Madhatter trips a while ago? Or am I getting my letters mixed up?
Mental Kenny
Bluelighter
What? There's no way AMT could be put on blotter, only substances that are active in the microgram range can be used that way.
babylonboy
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5-MeO-AMT is much, much more potent and has been passed off as LSD.
ScotchMist
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Maybe it was that then, im not very well versed in RCs at all.
It was passed off as LSD but It definitely wasn't, still had a nice experience whatever it was.
babylonboy
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Probably not 5-MeO-AMT then, it doesn't have a good rep. As an aside, it's not really an RC, it's been known (under the moniker of "a,O-dimethylserotonin") for donkey's years.
Sammy G
Ex-Bluelighter
That was 5-MeO-AMT. I tried some of those tabs.
Wasn't an unpleasant experience to be honest though quite different from LSD, as you say.