Coping with Depression in WD

suessmayr

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Have other people had this problem? I'm not talking about general despondency or disinterest but really heavy depression; the sort that stuns you and sort of leaves you paralysed.

I'm 5 days clean from bupe and have a bit of valium and codeine but only enough to take at night.

Apart from restlessness I'm ok today physically, but today is by far the worst in my head. I'm so headfucked and just crippled upstairs I can't even begin to explain.

Have people found anything to make shit like this easier?

S
 
I feel you on the depression during WD. My depression gets really, really bad during those times. Even though I know it's because of the fucked up chemistry in my brain from opiate use, it's really hard to shake. I've found that physical exercise can help tons during WD. At the very least- a good run or bike ride will alleviate my suffering while I'm engaged in the activity.
 
smoke some weed, play some video games, watch movies....read books for the depression i dunno bout the physical ones though has to be some vitamins or herbs or something
 
Yeah I've got all the vitamins and shit. But I hate weed and it really fucks me up.

I'm trying to exercise every second day and strangely the actual exercise is ok, but the internal dialogue while I'm exercising is what kills me. It's just so hard to find a real reason for doing anything.

Video games are a good idea, maybe I'll crack out the old Zelda OoT.

S
 
what kinda vitamins you taking...i got a multivitamin that has a shit ton of stuff in it , and i got some melatonin for when i cant sleep...Ive heard about some Chinese remedies but haven't found out what they are
 
I have like a standard multi, and fish oil, and a B complex. Also I got magnesium to help with RLS at night. Don't know about melatonin.
 
During my many times of withdrawal my depression was really high and I just wanted to lay in bed... I would be rolling around on my bed or the couch because the stomach pain I had was terrible along with the headaches and everything else. No one knew that I was in withdrawal since I hid my opiate/benzo addiction but I still hide my use. Other than that I found out sleeping helped me cope since I wasn't awake but honestly that's not the better choice to make. You should just try to keep yourself occupied and consume your daily essential vitamins...eat healthy because that will help with the depression and you'll start to feel somewhat better. Withdrawal is hard but you can get through it. Good luck.
 
I'm trying to exercise every second day and strangely the actual exercise is ok, but the internal dialogue while I'm exercising is what kills me. It's just so hard to find a real reason for doing anything.

S

What about downloading a mix of music, that enhances/empathises with your mood, on to your MP3/earphones while you are excercising suessmayr, to drown out the inner dialogue?
 
Oh yes I do have music but don't really trust myself to listen to negative music in this state, and am not really responsive to up-beat music, but I guess it's better than nothing. I watched solaris the other day and it totally fucked me up in the head, made me so upset and I couldn't shake it. It's weird coming off downers and being this emotional. The internal dialogue was one of the reasons I began with downers; it vanished that day I started getting high and reappeared the day I got clean. It's alot worse now.

I would like nothing more than to just sleep during the day but I think it would really fuck up my chances of sleeping at night, given that I'm only just scraping through to the morning onlike 5 hours. Also I don't have enough meds to just knock myself out during the day; I need to save that shit for bedtime.

S
 
I know exactly what you mean by the negative internal dialogue and it has affected my exercise before. One thing about negative internal dialog- it's usually really ridiculous. Don't suppress it- actually do just the opposite: amplify it. For example- sometimes when I'm running on the street during WD, I'll think 'damn, I must look really stupid running out here'. To combat this I start to really amplify that ridiculous thought and think- 'yeah, everybody is looking right at me, they have absolutely nothing to do but look at me- I'm that important that people stop doing what they're doing to jusge a guy running'. When you really examine that thought in this way- it just sounds ludicrous and it loses all its power over you.
Bring those negative thoughts out into the light of day and expose them for the imposters that they are.
 
Oh yes I do have music but don't really trust myself to listen to negative music in this state, and am not really responsive to up-beat music, but I guess it's better than nothing. I watched solaris the other day and it totally fucked me up in the head, made me so upset and I couldn't shake it. It's weird coming off downers and being this emotional. The internal dialogue was one of the reasons I began with downers; it vanished that day I started getting high and reappeared the day I got clean. It's alot worse now.

I would like nothing more than to just sleep during the day but I think it would really fuck up my chances of sleeping at night, given that I'm only just scraping through to the morning onlike 5 hours. Also I don't have enough meds to just knock myself out during the day; I need to save that shit for bedtime.

S

Same thing with me I find negative music in a negative mood just = negative mood X100.

Honestly only way I've seen someone get the "easy road out" of opiate wd depression was by taking a nonopiate antidepressant that was potent enough to combat the depression. But this is risky sometimes like taking adderal. If you think about it however adderal directly counters a lot of the symptoms you get during opiate paws. Gets rid of the lethargy and that intense weighted down depression. There are also other nonopiate meds that have the potential to do this either by themselves or with combinations of other meds.

However, if you are trying to fight a biological offset with nothing more than behavoir, it should be evident that there are inherent limits to that. Because the problem isn't your behavoir, its your chemistry. Working out DOES help a lot, and its a behavoir, but its also a behavoir that effects your chemistry moreso than any I can think of. Problem is working out in that predicament is perhaps one of the most difficult things I could possibly think of. You already have absolutely NO ENERGY, so its not easy to force yourself to do that.

Getting off opiates imo requires a lot of plotting and planning. You really need to go at it with a resourceful james bond esque attitude. Lots of planning and plotting and strategic organization BEFORE you even quit. You need to gather all your resources while you are still strong. Organize an arsenal of things to help you cope, medicines included, then go at it balls to the wall and never look back.

With that depression though if you don't have the energy to get up and go for a run, and don't have access to a doctor or some powerful nonopiate anti-ds, theres not really a lot you can do to make it go away. So at that point the best plan becomes distracting yourself by taking on a case of OCD and just trying to keep yourself busy as much as possible. But if I sat around in that depressed type of mental state... listening to sad songs like airbase - escape I'd likely blow my brains out all over the wall.

G/luck and BE STRONG!! You can do it and don't be afraid to reach out to people when you need help. We are here exactly for that reason, to help.
 
Thanks for the fantastic posts.

I'm already on avanza and lexapro. To be honest they're totally ineffective and have been since pretty much the beginning. My shrink doesn't want to discontinue them at the moment which is probably a sensible decision.

I don't really feel like getting on some other med would be a solution right now. I've been on so many different meds; at least 8 anti-deps. and 4 mood stabilisers. Something has to change and it's pretty clearly the drugs.

I ran out of valium last night and the guests arrived today. Fuck I wish they weren't here I can't even look them in the eye without dying inside. It's incredible that after like 6 or 8 months without any benzos I could take 4mg diazepam nightly for a week and then feel this shit when it runs out. Powerful stuff.

S
 
I was just speaking with one of our guests and literally just fucken walked out on the conversation mid-sentence. It's never been this bad. It's like constant adrenaline equivalent to what you feel when you're in a fight or in danger or doing public speaking. I managed to get back to the room and make some lame excuse about not feeling great but FUCK - what can I do for this? I'm doing exercise. I see a shrink. I eat well. I sleep alright. How the fuck can I live without being able to speak to people?

Downers = worst call ever. Everything in my life is now so much worse.
 
depression is a crippling disorder. Why don't you try seeing a doc and getting on some medication for the WD symptoms? You don't have to say you're going through withdrawal if anything. Wellbutrin is probably useful for dopamine induced withdrawal.
 
I have gone thru with this crippling opiate addict w/d depression. What worked for me was vitamin D-3, B complex, general multi, adderall (tried wellbutrin), once a week or once every two weeks of ketamine or methoxetamine (which I find the best cure of all for those suicidal days), and exercise. I couldnt imagine exercise in the beginning even tho i knew it wud help. Hell, i could barely function w doing basics like brushing my teeth, showering, washing a dish, cooking food, or focus on tv; i was so miserably unmotivated, if I stayed in bed and didnt kill myself i considered it a good day. But eventually, the small things I was doing allowed me to feel good enough to exercise, and things like that tend to have a positive feedback loop, i noticed feeling better each week.

Best of luck!!
 
How you hangin in there OP? I hope ok. My experience with AD's during wd hasn't been that good- albeit I only tried zoloft and I only did it for a few days (which is ALWAYS long enough for it to kick in). In fact, zoloft only made the jitters worse, GAH! Of course, this doesn't mean you shouldn't take them- that was only my experience.
There's little worse than having to entertain people when you're in wd. I just want to be alone during those times. However, sometimes it can be beneficial. I found that if I tried to totally absorb myself in some social activity- my wd abated somewhat. For example, I used to tutor students in math. When I would be in wd, I'd like totally focus on the student and his/her problem and I'd forget how shitty I felt for a few minutes. It really worked.
How many days has it been now?
 
Thanks everyone for all the wonderful replies.

It's been a bit over 9 days presently. Strangely, given that since the 3rd day I've been sleeping ok with 4mg diazepam + 60mg codeine, I had intense trouble sleeping last night. The RLS was shocking, and I overdid it somewhat with the diazepam at 10mg and codeine at 90mg (even though I know these doses are not themselves remarkable; I just don't want to replace one thing with another).

Depression is easily the worst aspect of my current state. I feel exactly like I always did on ecstasy comedowns; nothing is enjoyable or even really doable, I can't watch films, read, walk around, eat, simply nothing is available to me without persistent negativity and doubt. It's becoming really hard to justify not using the valium and codeine during the day - but I have been telling myself that it's not really legitimate to use them for psychological symptoms, as this is essentially just drug abuse, and that I should only use them for pain and RLS. What do you guys think?

How long do you guys think I could keep up diazepam at 2-6mg and codeine at 30-90mg before these drugs would become problems in themselves?

S
 
Well I'm almost at 13 days and have not really improved since I last wrote. I have been concerned about the valium/codeine and was going to try to go without the former tonight. I also started taking valerian at night.

Can I ask anyone who has done opiate/bupe WD, how long it took them to begin to feel better emotionally?
 
depression is a crippling disorder. Why don't you try seeing a doc and getting on some medication for the WD symptoms? You don't have to say you're going through withdrawal if anything. Wellbutrin is probably useful for dopamine induced withdrawal.

Ya but what the fuck do you do during anti-depressent withdrawel. You're whole brain chemistry is fucked up beyond rec drugs unless you've been binging for a while. Those drugs stay in you're system for years and when you quit it's hell. Sorry if that wasn't helpful.

I would recommend 5-HTP as that helps you're mood. Also you could try Benadryl to sedate without worrying about trading addictions. Look for all the non addictive OTC alternatives you can find to help you. Or you could try toughing it out. Something I can never do...
 
Just surrender your self and your mind to what everyone else is telling you. Even if your unsure just try your hardest to believe that right now you are feeling depressed because you are lacking certain chemicals in your brain and every single day your off drugs they are slowly replenishing and every day your getting better then the next. Even the days when it feels like you got worse really your just getting better. As the corny expression goes its always darkest before dawn. Everyday you don't use and that your still alive you are getting stronger. Even if you feel like shit the fact that your still alive and not using drugs is inevitably proving that you are getting better at coping with your problems. Learning how to cope sober is like anything else it takes practice and your succeeding. In fact when something really terrible comes up and you don't use just think of it as practice thats making you even better and more prepared for the next big thing. Life is a roller coaster of ups downs and a lot of time in the middle. It's hard to accept that there is no land of perpetual happiness but if you don't let go of that expectation you are doomed to be disappointed. So even if you don't believe it. Just try. It helps.

You are getting better even when it doesn't feel like it. Try to exercise and eat healthy. It may seem completely pointless, stupid and waste of time at first but at least your not doing anything to harm yourself. For once you are doing something that is undeniably good with zero negative connotations. Even if thats not good enough just trust people who've been through depression and w/d before, almost all of them say that exercise helps. It's insanely hard to start especially when your depressed. But force yourself, people are creatures of habit and i bet you will learn to enjoy it.

Keep your self busy. Reading/new hobbies/ etc. Everybody has things in there life that are always gonna be hanging over there head, but it is their ability to take joy in the little other things and that allow them to get a break from reality WITHOUT drugs. Books/art/exercise/ and other hobbies are all good ways of doing that.

Lastly yes we are all different but really we are all the same. Maybe its true, maybe its not but if you have an impending belief that you are different from everybody else who all these things have helped you are guaranteeing that these things will not be nearly as effective for you. I can't remember who but one wise BLer once told me when we were discussing whether or not everyone can be happy, that maybe not everyone can be happy, but if you believe that for yourself you are guaranteeing it to be true for your self. So the best advice in my opinion is no matter how much you think all the "there are better times, this that and this will help, etc and so forth" wont help or is BS. Just believe it will. Theres no harm in it. I wish you the best of luck and hope I helped. You can do it. I refuse to believe you can't and you should as well.
 
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