Heroin Cooking up heroin - Evaporation question

[cruxen5610]

Hi, got a strange question but I've always wondered this. I searched for the answer but couldn't really find exactly what I was wondering. Ok so lets say Tom sucks up 50units of water into his rig, squirts it down in the spoon on top of the heroin, boils the water a little bit with a lighter, stirs it around, sucks the liquid back up through a cotton, makes sures he gets ALL the liquid, and he notices he now has 40 units of heroin in the needle (10 units less liquid than he started with). Now obviously this is because some of the water evaporated during the boiling process, but my question is this: Is it JUST water evaporating? Or is some of the cooked heroin evaporating too? Another way to put it, lets say he put 50 units in, and boiled it wayyyy too much/long, sucked it back up and there was only 20 units left. Does that mean he just lost a lottt of heroin? Or is the remaining 20 units left just a really potent 20 units...? See what I'm saying? Does anyone know?

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Once you mix the heroin with water it becomes a heroin solution... if you boil it all away, yes you are loosing the heroin...

Also, there is no reason to cook heroin to that degree, especially east coast US powder heroin and tar. It is freely soluble in room temperature water. No need for heat.

Loosing 10 full units is ridiculous. If you use 60 units of water to break down a quantity of heroin.. you should get 60 units back.. If you don't, or don't get very very close to that, you're doing something very wrong.

 

[RTrain]

I don't shoot (though I have considered and read about it), the general consensus is that heating the mixture is actually a bad idea. The heating of the water can cause unwanted solubles to mix with the water and end up in you bloodstream. And the short amount of time at just around boiling temp is not going to kill off a worthwhile amount of bacteria.

And yes I think you are losing product, too.

 

[cruxen5610]

Ok, thanks for the info! And Mr. Scagnatti, I was just using those numbers as an example so my question would be more clear to readers.

 

[alt 14]

Yeah this is related to what were talking about in another thread. But if its heroin that's water soluble, there's really no reason to heat it? So why would you.

I don't think you would've lost 20% of your dope tbh. Not to disagree with the others, but that's only 100degrees Celsius it's reaching and I don't think heroin will degrade that much at that temperature in 2 seconds time, and it certainly won't vaporize away. I would say you have less solution because you boiled a ton of what little solvent you had away. And the 40units will have as much heroin as the inital 50units, but the term is concentrated you're looking for, not potent. Yes, the resulting solution is more concentrated.

But you have nothing to gain by doing this (boiling off water) if you're mixing up a shot of water-soluble drugs, at all. If you were asking that as well. There's definitely going to be no gain in heroin by doing it.

 

[ComfortablyNumb95]

you shouldn't heat it in the first place, heroine is water soluble

 

[alt 14]

Oh I forgot that the temp will be somewhat above normal boiling point because of presence of solute, but there's no way it's over double it, so I'm sticking with my original answer

 

[cruxen5610]

Yeah this is related to what were talking about in another thread. But if its heroin that's water soluble, there's really no reason to heat it? So why would you.

I don't think you would've lost 20% of your dope tbh. Not to disagree with the others, but that's only 100degrees Celsius it's reaching and I don't think heroin will degrade that much at that temperature in 2 seconds time, and it certainly won't vaporize away. I would say you have less solution because you boiled a ton of what little solvent you had away. And the 40units will have as much heroin as the inital 50units, but the term is concentrated you're looking for, not potent. Yes, the resulting solution is more concentrated.

But you have nothing to gain by doing this (boiling off water) if you're mixing up a shot of water-soluble drugs, at all. If you were asking that as well. There's definitely going to be no gain in heroin by doing it.

I knew that heating it wasn't necessary because yeah it is soluble, but I always heard that heating it will get rid of any bacteria that might be in the water, on the spoon, etc. And yeah "concentrated" is what I was looking for lol thanks.

 

[GBM]

I knew that heating it wasn't necessary because yeah it is soluble, but I always heard that heating it will get rid of any bacteria that might be in the water, on the spoon, etc. And yeah "concentrated" is what I was looking for lol thanks.

Heating it will just ruin your dope, and you'll get less of a buzz because of it.

 

[Tryptamino]

you don't wanna know what could end up in your veins if your heat your shots

 

[alt 14]

Using an alcohol wipe on a spoon is a better way to clean your mats before you shoot it.

Hey JW but where did you hear it will ruin your dope? You learn the solid particles dissolved in water don't magically evaporate along with the water into the air when you evaporate your whatever you dissolved into that little evaporating dish? The porcelain dish that you put over the Bunsen burner? If you remember that

Also it won't spontaneously decompose or vaporize at the temperature of the boilin solution. I looked the temps of that stuff earlier. So I'm wondering what would make it so called ruined.

 

[EtaipoFetish]

If you use 60 units of water to break down a quantity of heroin.. you should get 60 units back.. If you don't, or don't get very very close to that, you're doing something very wrong.

I don't agree.
In Texas, the tar MUST be heated to break down. I start off with 120 units of water, and end up with 80 and loose nothing except water evap.

 

[alt 14]

Just wondering, do you need to add acid to the shot? Like is it heroin base? Because heating it alone doesn't change the heroin at all.. What's so special about your tar vs NC tar? We do cold shots but ours, the actual diamorphine in the dope, it dissolves when you mix it up with the plunger of the syringe. I mean there's tar looking stuff left over but that's just impurities I'm assuming, or some sort of cut.

 

[sekio]

Also it won't spontaneously decompose or vaporize at the temperature of the boilin solution.

if you cook heroin in water at ph ~7 it will hydrolyse to morphine pretty quickly. i would call a 50% reduction in potency pretty seriously ruined.

 

[alt 14]

O true that. But what if the water is slightly acidic from extra citric well say from heating #3. I'm just confused why he's heating it to begin with

P.S. I'm really askin what if

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/261061-how-long-does-it-take-for-heroin-to-hydrolyze-into-morphine

This seems to suggest something like it would take a lot longer than 2secs of heating to lose a significant amount?? Idk I failed out of college and don't remember this shit

 

[Opana Man]

I saw a closed thread regarding using a Marijuana vaporizer for the vaporizing of Heroin. If a person uses a Nicotine Vape @ 6 Volts (With E-Juice primed in the tank) you can put a few drops of concentrated H suspended in H20 and place DIRECTLY into the top of the carbonizer and allow it to absorb, it will vaporize. Be prepared to hold the vapor in your lungs and not just inhale and immediately exhale. Realize you will not see the same level of vapor exit upon exhalation as the Heroin is suspended in H20 and not as much glycerin/polyethylene glycol is vaporized (which is what causes the smoke). The way to suspend the Heroin into liquid may be possible direct into a poly/glycerin mix but this has not been tested. Many cigarette smokers are using this technique however it doesn't last long. One should expect to be a little gassy (as in farting) when it wears off as the body increases bowel motility after any opioid wears off (Remember Imodium, which is an opioid that only effects the gut, slows motility which causes constipation). It may be that the effect is the sudden entrance and exit of the chemical from the body. Possibly 6-mam, with has its short half-life, causes the gas effect without diarrhea , however this speculation........

 

[alt 14]

Ok well nicotine vaporizes at like 95 degrees and idk what a 6volt will temp at but blu cig def burns less than vape point of heroin. But really that doesn't have to do with heroin being vaporized in a boiling water. But that's a cool idea, using a marijuana vape to smoke heroin.

 

[eireann]

I don't shoot (though I have considered and read about it), the general consensus is that heating the mixture is actually a bad idea. The heating of the water can cause unwanted solubles to mix with the water and end up in you bloodstream. And the short amount of time at just around boiling temp is not going to kill off a worthwhile amount of bacteria.

And yes I think you are losing product, too.

Put a finger print of butter on foil place 1/3 of a 0.2g bag of heroin over the butter,and use a very low flame,when i had 4 this is what i had to do,it works fairly well and you dont taste the butter at all.

 

[Opana Man]

A blu Cig goes at about 3 volts. you need to use a Cig Vape that has a "E-Juice" Tank. Those use a carbonizer which heat the liquid in the foil. In testing, using a nicotine vape like this at 3 volts does nothing, but at 6 volts will handle it. you do need to have standard e-juice in the tanks and put a couple drops of concentrated Heroin liquid into the top of the carbonizer (fresh E-Juice gets drawn in from the bottom for people unfamiliar to how nicotine vapes work). You then put the mouthpiece on top of the carbonizer and push the button. You do need to ihale very slowly and hold the button down longer then you would normally. When you exhale, you see little if any vapor but that is a good sign =). when i said a few drops concentrated, try 3.5g in 30ml H20 or actually as i have seen it, 30 ml .9% saline (it was originally made to be diluted with more saline and shot. Concentration is very important as you can only add a few drops of the suspension into the carbonizer or it will have difficulties. The same technique was tried with no liquids or H, just Marinol (THC suspended in oil) but that doesnt vape right and ruins the carbonizer! (Sorry for getting a little off topic with the Marinol). The real benefit is that you can hit your vape anywhere as you dont need a heat gun. You could be walking down the street, chasing a dragon, and no one would be the wiser! lol

 

[Opana Man]

As far as heating the mixture for steralization.... DONT!!! Yes you vaporize some in the process and disolve un wanted particulate matter. Try buying 3 micron filters. One .45 microns and 2 .2 microns. attach them in series .45, .2,.2..... Put your liquid mis in a 3ml rig (or larger) and stand it on the plunger. Allow any particulte matter to fall to the bottom (you dont have to but the micron setup will be able to filter more when before clogging) Remove the Needle tip and screw on the filter. Squirt the liquid into a clean container (you can buy steral saline in 10ml bottle or batrastaic water... point is with the rubber seal like a hospital vial) Obviously you put a clean needle on the end of the filter assembly and it is best to do all filtration at once as filters are sterile but will grow bacteria etc if you use the same ones for a month =). You will see the brown (for arguments sake) in the rig but it will come out crystal clear. when done squirting the liquid, unscrew the filter assemply i described and fill the rig with air. reattach the filters and Squeeze the air through one time to not waste any solution still in the filters... From my understanding the.45 filter will filter the particles and protect the .2 micron filters longer, but it isn't necessary. The .2 micron filters though will handle the filtration of bacteria, etc. and the second one is just for assurance a they lose efficency over the cource of filtering.

Sorry, i know the conversation was one Vaping, but someone was talking about the problems with cooking

R....45....2....2....N...SC

R= Rig
#'s= filters sizes in series
N=Needle
SC= Sterile container

P.S. Why dont more people use sterile saline for shooting? Have you ever looked at blood cells exposed to pure H20? they explode outward! Likewise 4%saline shirnk the cell to look like stars.... It seems only smart to use saline, and if you dont want to but the vials, you can pick up sterile saline at the pharmacy. Look for "wound wash" and you will find it.....

P.S.S. Sorry for any Typos...... All-nighter.... I'm sure you all understad!