Conspiracy Theories (“Alternative Research”)

[anonymouse77]

Yep

Thank you for letting me know. I got into it when Isaac Kappy died and started hearing about his theories. He was right about Epstein so I thought he was right about all his other stuff but I guess now.

 

[anonymouse77]

It’s quite a rabbit hole. The internet makes these thing popular, like the earth being flat.

So even that frazzle drip thing was fake? How do people come up with this?

 

[JessFR]

Sorry if this is a bad post but I am big into conspiracy theories and followed the Qanon thing. I am not from America so not knowledgeable about politics either really. Was the whole qanon thing fake?

Yes. It's a bunch of nonsense.

So even that frazzle drip thing was fake? How do people come up with this?

None of this is new. It's all got the same textbook attributes of a moral panic the likes of which have happened again and again throughout history. It's always absurd and over the top.

The untrained human mind is on average highly vulnerable to believing in nonsense.

 

[Juniper Bruhmomentius]

The untrained human mind is on average highly vulnerable to believing in nonsense.

Hmm, are you saying there is absolutely no "conspiracies" or has never been?

 

[JessFR]

Hmm, are you saying there is absolutely no "conspiracies" or has never been?

Of course not, humans have been conspiring against each other since the dawn of civilization.

But we have a problem, we lump those actual conspiracies in with the phenomenon of conspiracy theorizing. A separate and largely unrelated phenomenon of human irrational thought.

So, no, there absolutely have been conspiracies. But they are mostly boring questions of history.

"conspiracy theories" however are probably universally false. Most likely every single one is either false, or if there's any truth it's hidden behind piles of bullshit.

Conspiracy theories are promoted and added to by conspiracy theorists, which are universally people who have little to no ability to rationally evaluate evidence with realistic probabilities and an unbiased (as possible) perspective. Usually people with zero science training even to a pretty amateur level.

There's a reason that conspiracy theories tend towards becoming increasingly convoluted. Because the conspiracy theorists keep adding more and more nonsense that they come to believe on top of it.

So no, conspiracy theories are 99.99% all crap.

Real conspiracies are things like.. Israel undertaking a conspiracy to abduct someone or something over some political issue, to take a random example.

What real conspiracies are are things we don't call conspiracy theories.

But conspiracy theorists deliberately muddy the waters to imply that if the former are real the latter are too.

There is a reason conspiracy theories tend to be extremely convoluted (while real conspiracies are pretty simple), and there's also a reason conspiracy theorists tend to believe in nearly all conspiracy theories all at the same time.

Because the conspiracy theory phenomenon is one where failures in the human mind cause viral ideas to come into existence on their own and evolve and self propagate using the same naturally selective forces all evolution does.

That's what conspiracy theories are, natural selection on the level of human ideas, in a subset of humans.

Which is why they have exploded in popularity and complexity lately. Because the internet, and especially YouTube, is essentially the wetmarket of the viral ideas, of which conspiracy theories are.

Which is why conspiracy theorists almost universally try to spread their ideas to you by YouTube, it's the most effective way to transmit them and it's how they were infected.

That is what I believe.

 

[Juniper Bruhmomentius]

Glad to hear. I just thought You are one of those Who says all of them are Bullshit. Well most likely are but not all.
Good to finally hear your stance.

 

[anonymouse77]

Of course not, humans have been conspiring against each other since the dawn of civilization.

But we have a problem, we lump those actual conspiracies in with the phenomenon of conspiracy theorizing. A separate and largely unrelated phenomenon of human irrational thought.

So, no, there absolutely have been conspiracies. But they are mostly boring questions of history.

"conspiracy theories" however are probably universally false. Most likely every single one is either false, or if there's any truth it's hidden behind piles of bullshit.

Conspiracy theories are promoted and added to by conspiracy theorists, which are universally people who have little to no ability to rationally evaluate evidence with realistic probabilities and an unbiased (as possible) perspective. Usually people with zero science training even to a pretty amateur level.

There's a reason that conspiracy theories tend towards becoming increasingly convoluted. Because the conspiracy theorists keep adding more and more nonsense that they come to believe on top of it.

So no, conspiracy theories are 99.99% all crap.

Real conspiracies are things like.. Israel undertaking a conspiracy to abduct someone or something over some political issue, to take a random example.

What real conspiracies are are things we don't call conspiracy theories.

But conspiracy theorists deliberately muddy the waters to imply that if the former are real the latter are too.

There is a reason conspiracy theories tend to be extremely convoluted (while real conspiracies are pretty simple), and there's also a reason conspiracy theorists tend to believe in nearly all conspiracy theories all at the same time.

Because the conspiracy theory phenomenon is one where failures in the human mind cause viral ideas to come into existence on their own and evolve and self propagate using the same naturally selective forces all evolution does.

That's what conspiracy theories are, natural selection on the level of human ideas, in a subset of humans.

Which is why they have exploded in popularity and complexity lately. Because the internet, and especially YouTube, is essentially the wetmarket of the viral ideas, of which conspiracy theories are.

Which is why conspiracy theorists almost universally try to spread their ideas to you by YouTube, it's the most effective way to transmit them and it's how they were infected.

That is what I believe.

That's so interesting. My brother got me into conspiracy theories when I was a kid (he is 17 years older than me) when he used to go on about revelations in the bible and tell me about conspiracy sites. The entire family were also very narcissistically abusive so it makes sense he might do this to make me look like a conspiracy nut so no one would believe me when I spoke out about their abuse.

 

[JessFR]

That's so interesting. My brother got me into conspiracy theories when I was a kid (he is 17 years older than me) when he used to go on about revelations in the bible and tell me about conspiracy sites. The entire family were also very narcissistically abusive so it makes sense he might do this to make me look like a conspiracy nut so no one would believe me when I spoke out about their abuse.

Honestly, I kinda doubt that's the case.

I don't know your family, so I feel a little u comfortable making such guesses, I just say it because.. Well.. I believe vulnerability to conspiracy theories is genetic.

While all human minds I think are somewhat vulnerable to believing in things without a good logical basis, there are things I look back on and think.. I didn't believe that because it was rational, I believed it because I was taken in by the people around me.

We are all vulnerable to some extent, but I've noticed some people are much more vulnerable to coming to believe in ideas that are presented the right way than others are. I see it run in families.

And conspiracy theorists seem to have a drive to bring in more people into the belief system. Much like some other viral belief systems.

It wouldn't surprise me if your brother was taken in too.

It's sad, I'm sorry for what you went though.

Thing is, even though I might imply this sometimes because they frustrate me, in truth, conspiracy theorists for the most part aren't crazy.

If someone told me they thought the moon was flat, but also that their family was abusive to them. I wouldn't think they were crazy and that they were imagining the abuse, I'd think they were a conspiracy theorist... But that the abuse is probably real.

Because, belief in conspiracies, it's not because some people's brains are broken, a conspiracy theorists mind is almost certainly well within the range of human normality, it's that their brains are perhaps a little different and they have a greater vulnerability to being taken in by things like conspiracy theories and such.

Similar to how some of us are more vulnerable to addiction to certain drugs than other people. It's not that we are just weak willed, our brains are more vulnerable than other people.

No human is completely rational, we all have flawed thinking from time to time. I just think conspiracy theories are a lot like religions and cults and fads and moral panics and various other self perpetuating human social phenomenon.

 

[Burnt Offerings]

People are just drawn to this garbage rendition of politics, where they're Luke Skywalker fighting against the evil Empire or some bullshit...human society, politics, history, anthropology, etc, is ridden with all kinds of frustrating contradictions, and it's very comforting (but stoopid) to believe in some kind of simplistic good-vs-evil narrative instead

 

[JGrimez]

James Corbett explains how a global conspiracy can function and how it can be kept under wraps.

Must Watch!

 

[Droppersneck]

Post any current conspiracy here;

So this one is the most recent one I’ve seen and I’d love to get objective opinion on it. I’m going to do bullet points with arrows to make it easier to follow, and then add a few links.
QUICK RUNDOWN

>AZ audit starts to examine whether there was anything odd about the count in the 2020 election in AZ
>SCOTUS about to hold hearing regarding gun rights
>Suddenly a carnival with no preplanning pops up on the same plot of land where the election audit is occurring
>Shitty website suddenly appears, no archives of it prior to April 26th, no news reports, no advertising, no permits for any "Crazy Times Carnival" before that date
>Takes months to plan and get permits for a carnival, but this one just randomly appeared
>There's a gun show right next to the carnival per a photo from AZCentral
>Someone on Twitter questions why they have no food or ride list on their website, account responds saying they'll have it up soon
>Suddenly it appears with a bunch of weird shit looking like it was scrapped together in 5 minutes
>Has weird shit like "Basketball 1" & "Basketball 2" under "Games", has "Lemons (2)" on "Food", just look for yourself it's weird
>Fox interview where the reporter's first question is "so is this legit?" to one of the carnival owners

Arizona State Fairgrounds to host 'Crazy Times Carnival': Here is what we know about the event

While the 2021 Arizona State Fair will be held at Wild Horse Pass in the fall -- a temporary move in light of the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic -- the fairgrounds will host a carnival with some of the rides, games, and foods that fair-goers would typically see.

www.abc15.com

Crazy Times Carnival at the Arizona State Fairgrounds

The Crazy Times Carnival will be open from 5 - 10 p.m. from April 29 to May 9 at the Arizona State Fairgrounds. FOX 10's Anita Roman is previewing the event.

www.fox10phoenix.com

'Crazy Times Carnival' at Arizona State Fairgrounds

The senate president said the coliseum\u00a0will follow new security protocols to accommodate for an increased number of visitors to the site.

www.azcentral.com

Not saying anything one way or the other, just looking for objective view points on this

 

[Droppersneck]

One quick update . A conservative site actually reported on how peculiar this carnival popping up with no mention prior to April 26th.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...-maricopa-county-election-audit-taking-place/
Apparently they are having fire works too, the number of permutations of shutting the audit down are vast. I just want it to continue for the good of the country. I’m sure it will show things were legit, but I am now questioning things since the establishment is working so hard to shut this down.

 

[jose ribas da silva]

I am sad for those who believe the earth is flat. I am also sad for those who believe in a round earth. There is no earth motherfuckers, wake up

 

[Droppersneck]

I don't think that it was a psy-op. The only evidence I can see that points even vaguely in that direction was the shockingly low number of police at the Capitol building, despite having ample forewarning prior to January 6th that the event was going down. Other than that, I think it's clear that the large majority of people there will willing and active participants and NOT plants, agent provocateurs, however you want to refer to them.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if there was some kind of counter-intelligence effort involved re: people at the Capitol, in fact I'd go as far as to say that there's a high likelihood of that. In the famous cases of counter-intelligence or "psy-ops", like what happened with the American Indian Movement on Pine Ridge or the black power movement (Black Panthers and USO feud, etc.), the government usually didn't fabricate events out of whole cloth but rather used the momentum of such movements against them, by encouraging the worst impulses of the participants...the United States government has become very skilled at this and it's something you'd would've expected people obsessed with the "deep state" to know. Counter-intelligence measures may have been what happened at the Capitol, I don't know, but the entire process of something being "controversialized" depends on the willing, active and "good faith" participation of the activists in question, despite the fact that they may have been led there by agents of the state through various subtle ways. That's why I'm uncomfortable with this notion of just saying "oh they were all just a bunch of patsies for a government psyop", it totally negates a crucial element in the state's plan (if such a plan even existed) and negates these people's individual human agency

As far as a motivation regarding the authorities being afraid of having the "stop the steal" issue get relitigated, I just don't believe that for a second

I agree with some of this, but the key point is that the entirety of the establishment aim is to control the narrative. And whether people want to admit it or not the simple fact is that there were hundreds of crazy anomalies in this election, and they absolutely could not give them a uncontrolled national platform. And that’s not even taking into consideration the fact that changing election laws without going through state legislatures is unconstitutional. Personally it was a major eye opener for me, I still can’t believe how naive I was in thinking voting mattered. Though I think they likely let elections be fair when it’s relatively inconsequential to their overall agenda, it doesn’t inspire confidence. Until we dismantle the banking system nothing will change regardless.

 

[Jabberwocky]

@Dropperneck, you use the word ‘they’ in every second sentence to refer to bad actors and conspirators but who are ‘they’ exactly? Is it possible to more specific in attributing responsibility for these incidents/outcomes? What is it that ties the relevant individuals together? How do they communicate and coordinate their actions?

 

[Droppersneck]

@Dropperneck, you use the word ‘they’ in every second sentence to refer to bad actors and conspirators but who are ‘they’ exactly? Is it possible to more specific in attributing responsibility for these incidents/outcomes? What is it that ties the relevant individuals together? How do they communicate and coordinate their actions?

The establishment, which is comprised of the central bankers, IMF, Wall Street, corporate media, technocrats, Zionists, corporate oligarchs, billionaires, elite politicians, subverted government agency figure heads, and other people of influence that generally run or influence most things. Also the three warcastles in London, DC, and Rome.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Yes, but how do they coordinate their actions? Do they have like a secret WhatsApp group? Or some networking software that no-one outside the cabal can access?

 

[Droppersneck]

Yes, but how do they coordinate their actions? Do they have like a secret WhatsApp group? Or some networking software that no-one outside the cabal can access?

There are many great documentaries on how central banks and the IMF dictate/manipulate entire societies and their economic systems/markets. The way post WW2 Japan was changed is an interesting example. It’s not some huge conspiracy, it’s reality.

 

[Jabberwocky]

What’s wrong with a democratic government, representative of its people, wanting to exercise control over its monetary system?

America might have a particulary shitty Federal Reserve but other countries enjoy considerable prosperity and stability with an independent central bank acting as a counterweight to the government’s fiscal policy.

Also: fobbing us off to unnamed documentaries makes it sound like you don’t know how the conspiracy actually works. We need answers on how it coordinates itself if we are to believe you. I’ve got an open mind but conspiracies always leak and expose their mechanics. Your one doesn’t seem to have.

 

[Droppersneck]

What’s wrong with a democratic government, representative of its people, wanting to exercise control over its monetary system?

America might have a particulary shitty Federal Reserve but other countries enjoy considerable prosperity and stability with an independent central bank acting as a counterweight to the government’s fiscal policy.

Also: fobbing us off to unnamed documentaries makes it sound like you don’t know how the conspiracy actually works. We need answers on how it coordinates itself if we are to believe you. I’ve got an open mind but conspiracies always leak and expose their mechanics. Your one doesn’t seem to have.

It’s not worth litigating with heavily blue pilled folks. And I’m not trying to denigrate or talk smack either. Seriously consider watching this for a entrance into understanding the power structure we are up against.