Connection Between Psychedelics and a Higher Power(of ones understanding)

[nopipesdfw]

People who do believe in a higher calling in my biased opinion have been people who often follow trends more than others. If someone is not spiritual they're less mainstream, and more likely to be different.

I wish my innermost honest cravings could fully relate, my ego since I was a kid was tuning out everything but spacetime and everything that can piece by piece rationalize it.

Follow that with hundreds of trips and years of tuning out everything but visual, touchy feely reality(ironically, my vision and mind was an insane, absolutely insane prism of what I percieved to be meaninglessness.)

A trend is a good word from our language for this seemingly (yes, on the perspective side) unbelievable phenomenon, but those who use the word trend in some attempt to try to join it will fail unless that is more or less of the piece in the puzzle of meaning.

Just playing! I was a smart American boy who did too many hundred psychedelic drugs who now wears a tin foil hat all day.

 

[sheepie]

Am I the only here acquainted with the ILLUSION?

 

[greenmeanies]

first rule of illusion club is you do not talk about illusion club?

 

[Sublimit]

of space and time?

 

[sheepie]

The ILLUSION is too abstract and cannot be portrayed in words. No point in explaining.

It's the kind of knowledge you can't learn and have to born with.

If you know what I'm talking about, then hello

 

[nopipesdfw]

of space and time?

A nice description of the reality we all seem to be occupying in the present together. Not my metaphor btw.

It's the kind of knowledge you can't learn and have to born with.

An even more real illusion!

Christianity ring a bell here?

 

[sheepie]

An even more real illusion!

Christianity ring a bell here?

Are you open to the possibility that God may exist?

Elaborate on your statement that the ILLUSION is more likely an illusion than not.

 

[nopipesdfw]

Are you open to the possibility that God may exist?

Elaborate on your statement that the ILLUSION is more likely an illusion than not.

God might exist, but he stands still in the middle just like any of us, but it sure does seem hard to sit in the middle of everything forever as it stands.

I say it's an illusion (Not referring to what you think here, I think), or really, a delusion in my perspective that you think you can capture "it" through your birth and not effort. Where you start out is part of your projection, but you have seen less shining light than you think if you really think you were born into with nothing else. (A shitload? From my view at least that shows that we aren't on the same page about how plenty of things works, including shouting them opinions lol.)

 

[Sublimit]

The ILLUSION is too abstract and cannot be portrayed in words. No point in explaining.

It's the kind of knowledge you can't learn and have to born with.

If you know what I'm talking about, then hello

Thats pretty subjective, an infant child wouldn't have any spiritual development therefore being powerless to understand such a concept is hard to grasp. This thread is about connecting with god spiritually with the aid of psychedelic drugs, whatever it is you're talking about is irrelevant to this thread unless you care to elaborate... oh wait your ideology is too complex to be tainted by words... so why did you even bother?

stay on your high horse and trot along. try humility it's a good trait to have. all the best any my the illusion of your power guide you in the way of humility

 

[nopipesdfw]

Thats pretty subjective, an infant child wouldn't have any spiritual development therefore being powerless to understand such a concept is hard to grasp. This thread is about connecting with god spiritually with the aid of psychedelic drugs, whatever it is you're talking about is irrelevant to this thread unless you care to elaborate... oh wait your ideology is too complex to be tainted by words... so why did you even bother?

Atheists have it more dead on than the single man who thinks he is pandora's box placed here amidst what is currently grey.

Name one thing you know including yourself that didn't start with the flesh of this universe in this current timeline. Start from THAT singularity to explode your web of crazy bullshit onto everybody else before you get locked up.

Just my two cents in that direction.

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One hell of an avvy you've got there Sublimit!

 

[helium-4]

To be perfectly honest, it strikes me as somewhat presumptuous to imagine that everything is, in fact, effable.

Note that I am saying absolutely nothing of higher-powers, merely criticizing this particular point.

I never said everything is unknown and will never discovered, merely that there are somethings that will be never known to human beings, especially considering knowledge is created by human beings. Everything we think we know is limited to our scope of perception and how we can place what we see into the words we have created to describe the world. So, with that said, how can we even begin to describe something that we can't even place in to our own words or observations, as truth. I recently read that everything before or beyond a 10 foot radius is complete bullshit that our brain creates from extrapolations. We only know what are brain decides to create as truth, even when the truth is manipulated to create something that we can understand.

Sorry if I'm not understanding what you mean. I've been a little zonked from my k usage this past week.

 

[nopipesdfw]

I’ve had a lot of self-pity/hate issues over the years and I feel like I want to one day be able to accept the Christian God but for now I am working on myself.

....You wake up and you are sitting in the middle of a moving path, you are stunned. Your existence and fleshly eternal suffering depend on whether or not you are running right or left when you die. You can shout in the name of whichever way you are going whilst dying or the opposite way, they are interchangeable in this situation more or less. This ultimate value of left or right at your death determines the new point in existence where we have never seen before, where "us" and "them" will depart to never collide again. (Where "they" can suffer where me and God don't have to see it . )

Don't blow your brains out anybody, this singularity is yet to be pinpointed but I am pretty sure that it is real.

 

[mth1127]

I don't know what your talkin about, what is it?

 

[nopipesdfw]

A riddle of lenses for the lulz is the best name I can think of at the moment!

 

[Sublimit]

Atheists have it more dead on than the single man who thinks he is pandora's box placed here amidst what is currently grey.

Name one thing you know including yourself that didn't start with the flesh of this universe in this current timeline. Start from THAT singularity to explode your web of crazy bullshit onto everybody else before you get locked up.

Just my two cents in that direction.

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One hell of an avvy you've got there Sublimit!

And what direction would that be? this is a forum, this thread is a bout sharing experiences, not dicksizing about some vague concept of illusion so righteous that it cannot be explained. Sorry but that comes across ignorant actually. If people don't want to share then thats fine.... obviously sheepie took my advise and rode off in an illusion... did u say he was an atheist or were you talking about yourself? anyway he was probably just being a WUM that suck us both in

Well either way i disagree that atheists have it dead on and the people who are open minded about making religious connections spiritually. were u stereotyping a person that thinks he;s a pandora's box with the concept of this thread. or myself personally? well i'm not into greek mythology but if i thought i was a pandora's box i'd dare not open it, anyone who's seen hellraiser would understand, or that knows about greek mythology. Come on surely you can't be that narrow minded to use that analogy.

Have you been reading my posts? "a web of crazy bullshit?" why post on this thread then? Its a simple concept really, one that has been around for over 5 centuries as 'any major dude' pointed out, however i will indulge you and answer your question: A parallel universe/place which i have been to and has co-existed for as long as anything you can comprehend. if you are a man of science then you would be aware of dark energy or dark matter rather, and how that science believes it to be there but just cant account for it or explain it yet,, as another example which may or may not be relevant to me, but the first one most certainly is and maybe they have a connection. DMT as a tool is capable of revealing a great many things.

Oh and thanks! yeah it is hard to replace that avatar because it's just wicked and easily stands out. I borrowed it from someone famous, someone with a notoriously sinister smile... can you guess? i know someone on this forum will be able to.... soon without a doubt, nobody has yet but since you mentioned it, without a doubt, especially in the psychedelic discussion forum

to quote yourself below...... on the concept of 'following a trend'... which is mainstream, but not in the context off this thread... not in the slightest. which some people aren't getting it at all. Depressicaa for example... because this thread isn't about NA

my ego since I was a kid was tuning out everything but spacetime and everything that can piece by piece rationalize it.

Follow that with hundreds of trips and years of tuning out everything but visual, touchy feely reality(ironically, my vision and mind was an insane, absolutely insane prism of what I percieved to be meaninglessness.)


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elaborate on this and i'll understand where you are coming from more, because my psychedelic use gave birth to my spirituality, being a sub concious atheist at the time, it made every thing so much more clear and showed me that there is are powers/places other than our known universe.

seems like you were getting no benefits from your experiences with LSD. just acid? did you try psychedelics as an attempt to rationalize within yourself? or was there something more? and even before, you were shutting away almost everything and tripping didn't open your mind and just fucked you up to the point of insanity. So how did you return and make your connection with God? what is your current state of will, belief, inner conflict(if any) and spiritual connection with god?(if any) Irroniclly psychedelics opened what I perceived to be meaninglessness

I'll leave it at that because i want to respond to the people who are understanding what i'm getting at.

A nice description of the reality we all seem to be occupying in the present together. Not my metaphor btw.

what is your metaphor? spacetime? no seriously.... first thing that comes to mind about what you and i are conversing about in this thread

....You wake up and you are sitting in the middle of a moving path, you are stunned. Your existence and fleshly eternal suffering depend on whether or not you are running right or left when you die. You can shout in the name of whichever way you are going whilst dying or the opposite way, they are interchangeable in this situation more or less. This ultimate value of left or right at your death determines the new point in existence where we have never seen before, where "us" and "them" will depart to never collide again. (Where "they" can suffer where me and God don't have to see it . )

Don't blow your brains out anybody, this singularity is yet to be pinpointed but I am pretty sure that it is real.

Gee i always thought God was omniscient. so you're a Christian and not an atheist.

You talk like your acceptance of god was like dying and being reborn. have you had any NDE's?

I want you to summarize your thoughts on this and the thread so far, because i've had 2 kinds of NDE's that i've grown from by being born again... maybe we can relate? you've to be more relevant and clear if you are willing and able to make direct sense

 

[Sublimit]

I don't know what your talkin about, what is it?

yeah in theory it should be a simple discussion but some feel the need to complicate it by being self-righteous, dismissive and then nicking off. there are so many important posts from people who understand where i'm coming from and have been meaning to get back to everyone's response in depth.... just been so busy and this is an issue that i need to take seriously and be patient with, I haven't used psychedelics for a while now and i'm not just going to drop a lot of acid with pen and paper on a whim. I need to be mentally prepared if i'm to get anything positive out of this idea that i will be doing when i feel ready.

 

[nopipesdfw]

I just wanted to leave some random shit in here, I'm sorry if you don't like it. A lot of it isn't directed towards you, I also think you are confused about what I believe in. (Fair enough, I am going to stay vague as hell on the subject of "enlightenment" and anything related, I don't want to talk with a bunch of crazies that think they have potential over other human beings by birth, that is NOT what I believe in.)

I thought that was actually Richard D. James in your avvy, Aphex is amazing, so is his EQ grin.

Sorry, I'm certainly not a Christian and think that religion is only a poorly cast extension of what we can hold as "essential" (words suck) in this world, I don't want to push my ideas that I KNOW will not help anybody on the subject of finding themselves.(this seems to be how it is, something that I'm fairly sure I can't change inherently)

Now that you're discussing dark matter, I will say that the stuff is something that I suspect most confused humans would proclaim is impossible magic! I will also say that I think the relative, non-literal abiding to your own "middle path" certainly defies and defines gravity.

 

[Sublimit]

A trend is a good word from our language for this seemingly (yes, on the perspective side) unbelievable phenomenon, but those who use the word trend in some attempt to try to join it will fail unless that is more or less of the piece in the puzzle of meaning.

psychedelics and especially dmt are some of the most personal experiences one can possibly have... like death. I found what you said about a piece in the puzzle missing. whats your take on that, have you given up on finding it or don't believe it is relevant? maybe you think thats what i'm searching for? yes is the short answer, with regards to NA and a higher power. someone mentioned the missing piece in their share today, but fulfilment or enlightenment is beyond any missing piece in a puzzle, no way it's as simple as that for this is not some trend, we both know that, but how is a trend an unbelievable phenomenon? Society is so ignorant

I just wanted to leave some random shit in here, I'm sorry if you don't like it. A lot of it isn't directed towards you, I also think you are confused about what I believe in. (Fair enough, I am going to stay I don't want to talk with a bunch of crazies that think they have potential over other human beings by birth, that is NOT what I believe in.)

I thought that was actually Richard D. James in your avvy, Aphex is amazing, so is his EQ grin.

Sorry, I'm certainly not a Christian and think that religion is only a poorly cast extension of what we can hold as "essential" (words suck) in this world, I don't want to push my ideas that I KNOW will not help anybody on the subject of finding themselves.(this seems to be how it is, something that I'm fairly sure I can't change inherently)

Now that you're discussing dark matter, I will say that the stuff is something that I suspect most confused humans would proclaim is impossible magic! I will also say that I think the relative, non-literal abiding to your own "middle path" certainly defies and defines gravity.

when did i ever say, or anyone else in this thread, except for sheepie (or maybe that was an illusion) about wanting to have, or trying to achieve human flourishing by virtue of a genetic position above anyone else. being in contact with one's self and supported by a willingness of individuality and spirituality. does that no way mean i am better than you and you me, and for anyone else for that matter? everyone has choices and there are a lot of people who have the liberty do do so. Of course there are exceptions to varying degrees from some poor child born in the 3rd world with an extremist ideal instilled in him from infancy to a Catholic Irish boy who is expected to hold an at least apathetic view of nationalists the British(me soon to be dual citizen) to a boy growing up in Melbourne and having the option to go to church every sunday with a mates family knowing that there would be a free hungry jacks meal after the slightly gruelling, timelapsing service. Look at those 3 examples and see region used for different forms of control, and a lot of the time terrible things. I should point out that i've always sat on the fence and never excepted god... only god knows is i will one day and it will be my choice


i know a lot of what you're saying is not directly directed to me, but you have misinterpreted the discussion i was hoping to have in this thread, which i will be getting around to once i seduce you into coming out of your shell, which is obvious because your silence is deafening in your vagueness, psychological trait. you say i'm confused? lol. my best friend seems a lot like you

what context are you using gravity in? and how do you have any idea whether i'm abiding to my middle path? ignorant and arrogant sorry. your last sentence. are you going to label me a person that is searching for something that isn;t there? you're stereotyping and putting words in BL's posts now(unless you were referring to something other than this thread) and i also take offence to referring people who have posted in this thread as a bunch of crazies.... did i mention humility before?
Dark mater, impossible magic? are you suggesting im confused? you sounded like you were completely lost on psychedelics. you've taken acid and whatever but have you smoked large doses of DMT? large doses? i mention dark matter paradoxically relative to a parallel universe just an alternative to your question, which you don't seem to be clearly answering....yet. I HAVE seen impossible magic using DMT and it has made me aware of how powerful the human brain is. At decent doses I’ve see the most spectacular visuals. Shit I thought was impossible, how my brain is capable to process my visualization that not even a super computer could process. It wasn’t the most spiritual moment because I had MDMA and was with a group of people, he played some wicked ambient DnB DJ Klute and my trip was basically eyes closed and picture 1000x1000squared stick figured people all in different colours and all doing something individually with the music and I had time to look at a million complex images at once and see everyone as if I was looking right at it. It is estimated only up to 10% of our brain is utilized 99.9% of the time, but It was obvious that I was using parts of my brain that are unaccounted for and it is truly amazing and beautiful. At high doses you can breakthrough and have out of body experiences, its been documented that a lot of peoples accounts of NDE’s are very similar to a DMT experience at very high doses. Also if I can remember right?? Large amounts of DMT are released on NDE’s or death itself. I lost everything when breaking through; I didn’t know where I was and how I got there. I didn’t realize I had just smoked DMT, only thought that I was capable was that i was dead.

Just to quote Paul Maud dib Atreides

“The now. The past and the future. All at once, all the same” after drinking the water of life. That whole concept from the Dune novels reminds me of DMT and I’ve been reborn.

Yeah that RDJ and his infamous grin, I’ve been into Autechre for 2 years and they’re so subtle, complex and not instantly gratifying, in fact its some of the most challenging music I’ve ever listened to, but easily the most rewarding. Well that’s a whole lot of bullshir,or it’s written from the heart.

I really should have worded the title a little different, but happy with the genuine replies, will probably be the last time I devote to Mr vague unless he is game… but will make it my next priority to get this thread back on track because it is an interesting subject, and obviously slightly controversial,,, maybe nexus would ha….. nahh I love BL so thanks everyone on this board

 

[nopipesdfw]

i know a lot of what you're saying is not directly directed to me, but you have misinterpreted the discussion i was hoping to have in this thread, which i will be getting around to once i seduce you into coming out of your shell, which is obvious because your silence is deafening in your vagueness, psychological trait. you say i'm confused? lol. my best friend seems a lot like you

I do NOT have life figured out, I am working on it "forever" while still trying to function in society and hopefully bring some innovations to the arts while I'm at it.

Sorry if I shot off topic in here, my problem with sheepie is that I have some IDEAS (not objective magical powers) to share and collide with other human beings only to eventually mend and improve. Part of this includes that all life that I know of has a capable and amazingly resounding path in life to balance on once they go searching for it, and the idea of what I think of life is that NOBODY can be born with it. Not a prince, not a mighty rich American, a beautiful woman, etc. can fully land into a life of awesomeness without some seemingly ambiguous level of effort. (That is how it seems to me at least.)

It sure has seemed to me recently that our human psych won't reveal the shitloads of awesomeness in this universe until you get truly honest and realistic with yourself over what you want your role to be. Life is so insanely malleable but there are these goofy psychological walls built in that everybody has and few like to discuss. (I'm aware of these, I used to put myself back so much and I still do.)

To get on topic of your thread, there seems to be a pretty clear connection between psychedelics acting in your psych as a catalyst to a higher power of ones understanding. My good news is that there seems to be a higher power to us simple human beings from my perspective, I don't want to call it a Godhead because it doesn't encompass what I think this phenomenon is.

My bad news, is that from my perspective, you have already met the similar "___" that is and you didn't instantly like what you saw. Maybe that "___" is a mirror of sorts and there is bliss to be found, but I think you're going to have to get realistic on what parts of religion literally happened and what they all have in common. No giant army of people for their own, single God will ever start swaying cosmic forces in their own image. (If that image is not a translated reflection!)

Call it nuts, I believe there is something going on in spacetime, but I am not going to cast a guess way past what I know about what seems to be going on. I don't want to build a book to build drones, and I hope nobody would open it seeking objective advice on the universe. It is a work in progress and this is what is so awesome, so I don't think humans should try to make an objective history of everything set in stone unless they do it right.

You can't seduce me into picking A or B on this one, I was raised in Catholic school and have put myself around monotheists wanting me to join their death march ( ). My point my whole life is that humans are ignorant to think they really know objectively whether it is A or B, which is why I used to be a staunch atheist. My point has changed from "it's neither, both are a stupid construct of lame humans" to "humans have covered A and B in a huge pile of shit, but it paradoxically seems that it is both".

Christianity has appeared sickeningly selfish at many points in this day and age to me (Although I have met many appearingly Altruistic Christians, hell yeah to you!) the waiting list for eternal bliss or suffering is just that... the waiting list. Do you really think God made a universe out of little pieces full of different life forms scattered apart to race for objective God-loving or flesh burning forever? It's a nice thought when you're on one side of the picture, but the rest of the picture is still hanging way out of the frame and rotting. From a step waaaayy back, it looks fucking retarded, I'm not going to lie. :D

I should point out that i've always sat on the fence and never excepted god... only god knows is i will one day and it will be my choice

You have found what I have found as the prelude to truly living. Don't let any human pick you up off that fence, the reason why I was being vague is because I don't want to push anybody off. (Because you can't really fall off or forever pick a side, you can just tell yourself that until you die imo.)

My advice is wait until you are lifted off the fence by something otherworldly if that is really what you are seeking, not just some single human nudging you around to give you psychological peace about what happens when you die. (INCLUDING ME, NO EXCEPTIONS!) If it seems like I'm trying to feed you bullshit on a spoon don't eat it, that would be wise. Now looking at what's on the spoon is always important before you say hell no in my book, but intuition seems to have most people covered on what they would do.


EDIT: Mr. vague BS wants to talk!

 

[Sublimit]

That is the reason for this

That is why i strive to be a Better Person, i want to spiritually and humbly progress through life, but i have made some bad choices in the past and not so distant past, but those choices have made me who i am and my instinct now..... years after
i've used psychedelics, is to push the envelope to advance on a provisional basis. Using acid by myself i've only ever done once, but it felt unique and i imagined the possibility of using it as a tool of some kind of trial by fire, the thought was very vague at that stage of my life, but the concept or process of testing, trying, or putting myself out there uninhibited any doubt by the use of LSD literally forcing me trough many trails and tribulations an inventory? Yes, but perhaps my revelations, amplified by profound emotions, sensations and perceptions that I’ll get on acid, while other properties this substance provides like clarity, ability to laterally think in some amazing ways, being able to define subtleness, stillness and energy and of course my past experience, which id say 100 trips at a guess, while give me confidence of being able to control and guide myself "through which we pass".

I’m at THE crossroads of my indefinite life and my heart is willing, will alone, which has been progressively building and starting to significantly concentrate on one thing honestly. 10 years of addiction. Battled cannabis for 5 years and heroin for another 5 Only in this last month when I left the first rehab that I’d had ever been to and only lasting 7 days out of 28…. All this will started the second I walked out those doors of Malvern private has this will of self been growing, almost with a sense of urgency. I don’t want to veer of track as I’m doing but I connected with something you said. The fundamentals of society and being the best you can be whilst existing not to morally judge others, but to improve our own morals through self will

a capable and amazingly resounding path in life to balance on once they go searching for it, and the idea of what I think of life is that NOBODY can be born with it. Not a prince, not a mighty rich American, a beautiful woman, etc. can fully land into a life of awesomeness without some seemingly ambiguous level of effort.

You’ve basically said the words that are the most relevant to me here and I haven’t read all of your post yet, but its been very interesting talking to you, especially the last couple of posts. One thing I’ve learnt recently is to be open. I’m approaching 30 public speeches that I’ve done so far and the contrast from the first to tonight is crazy. I now get pissed off if I don’t get to talk, no but from being someone who could hardly get the words out to someone who stood up in front of100 people and confidently shared with real purpose in my voice and words. I’ve learnt that when you speak from the heart the words will flow. And when you here people clap to varying degrees but tonight it was a resounding applause and fuck it felt good. I shared about how NA has reinforced my spirituality and how I intend to use my experiences to find a strong connection with my perception of God. I’m not afraid to mention that when I share, not at all, and one year ago I was an anti NA guy, but now I would not hesitate to say in a future meeting that I took LSD and DMT and my higher power and I clicked!

OK.Yes I am searching for an amazingly resounding path in life. I told myself I couldn’t live like I have for the last 10 years. I can’t, I’d rather die. When I ran from that rehab the fist emotion I felt was guilt. Not for myself, but for the people who put me there, my family who have been in Europe for 2 months. So I had my bags packed and when straight to score, but not even Heroin could wash away the guilt. I wouldn’t change that because I could of easily done those 28 days and used that as n excuse to use. I’m clean, going to 5-6 meetings a week. My parents come back in 6 days and they are on the top of the list that I need to make amends with. It is a beautiful life indeed and something as subtle as cloud formations seems amazing to me.

Ill get to the rest of your post after i get a bit of sleep. Ijust wanted to say that it's good that you've decided to be more open

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