Benzos Confused about Opiate withdrawal

[Silenced]

I just want to reitterate my point that you should be honest with your pain management doctor if it gets to be too much to handle on your own. Pain management doctors are not the same as other doctors, they are heavily trained and know that when you ask for oxys and such it doesn't make you a drug seeker. Obviously the injury the OP sustained is quite substantial to justify an opiate cocktail similar to the one he is taking.

I am a fellow pain management patient OP and I know how taking opiates everyday is a lot different than needing to take opiates everyday due to injury. It's a condition of life to want what we don't have, those who do oxys everyday wish they can get scripts for them and the ones who get scrips for oxys wish they didn't need to take them.

As you said about medication, some doctors prefer different things... and some doctors aren't always the best to be straight forward and completely honest with. It would be better to see if you can manage it on your own to make sure you are secure... it's not like doctors hand out medications the way you say and tell them that they need to increase or decrease your dose whenever you want.

dont count on getting fent patches easily on the legal market. immediately post surgical i was on this teeeeensy dilly drip and was begging for fent patches and they said no.

maybe i'm naive, but unless you've got malignant cancer, getting fent patches is no easy task.

I'm in my early twenties and a pain management patient. I've never had any trouble with fentanyl patch scripts. I'm not sure why, but fent and ms contin seem to be what they prefer to send my way. With the dent I assume probably because they're less easily abused, sell for less and are harder to achieve a real 'high'



Good luck and stay strong, George!

 

[georgejungle]

Day 4 and all is well, still sticking to the reduced dose. Other than the mental obsession that pops up throughout the day I feel fine. I don't get it, I was expecting WD that would be worst than this. Is it that the 3-80mg oxycotin and soma that is the reduced dose so strong that not taking the 15 oxycodone a day along with that, it somehow over-rides the WD from the deduction? I did take an ambien last night to sleep, and slept good, no dreams, that was nice. Next week I plan to ship one of my three doses of the 80's/soma, do you think it might be to soon to do that?

 

[BrokedownPalace]

Well since you are already on a pretty high dose, a reduction like that will not be anywhere close to full blown cold turkey withdrawal. That is the idea, though. You're doing well. The idea of tapering is so you can reduce your dose slowly without getting uncomfortable. You're body is already taking a large amount of oxycodone that nixing the IR meds you take throughout the day should not be detrimental. Soma also helps greatly with many of the withdrawal symptoms.

I'm still tapering suboxone, and the pharmacy luckily filled my soma today, although a couple days early. This'll make the taper over the weekend much easier.

Keep it up man !

 

[georgejungle]

if you don't want to/ or can't get subutex than i suggest trying large enough doses of the valium and xanax to help you remember the wd's less and lower you dose of oxy and soma buy 1/2 a pill a day for oxy and 1 pill a day for soma and expect the wd's to last maybe 2 weeks

Mr. Flowers mentions cutting the oxycotin in half, can you do that whit the NEW OXYCOTIN? I know with the old ones a person could crush them etc., I never have but I thought with the new ones you couldn't do that stuff anymore. So can you cut the new OC in half?

 

[georgejungle]

Well since you are already on a pretty high dose, a reduction like that will not be anywhere close to full blown cold turkey withdrawal. That is the idea, though. You're doing well. The idea of tapering is so you can reduce your dose slowly without getting uncomfortable. You're body is already taking a large amount of oxycodone that nixing the IR meds you take throughout the day should not be detrimental. Soma also helps greatly with many of the withdrawal symptoms.

I'm still tapering suboxone, and the pharmacy luckily filled my soma today, although a couple days early. This'll make the taper over the weekend much easier.

Keep it up man !

Glad to hear of the early refill. Funny thing is I live in a small town and the pharmacist shops at my business and usually was pretty friendly, but after getting these meds for two years now she doesn't even talk to me anymore, she's got this fucked up look on her face when I get my refills, maybe it's just me and she always had this fucked up look, but it trips me out. My wife says, after mentioning it to her, that the pharmacist still is friendly to her, just thinking out loud........

 

[halfoz]

mr mudd, why are you not being prescibed

1: Ambien for immediate sleep
2: Klonopin, which reduces your incidence of "sleep jerks, inclduing RLS.
3: Abilify which is on-label specifically for RLS.

 

[Silenced]

Mr. Flowers mentions cutting the oxycotin in half, can you do that whit the NEW OXYCOTIN? I know with the old ones a person could crush them etc., I never have but I thought with the new ones you couldn't do that stuff anymore. So can you cut the new OC in half?

Ive had no issues with cutting them in half.

 

[georgejungle]

Day 6

Still at the reduced dose doing OK physcially, mentally it comes and goes. Took some Kratom today for the first time 4 #4 caps about 3 grams I think, and I have to say that stuff works, considered a low dose but I feel it and feel good mentally, no obsession like before, less depression and anxiety, wife took 3 caps to check it out and she says she has more energy today, feels good also. So maybe this will be a little helper to get pass the mental part and when I reduce again next week maybe even the physcial part too. Thanks ya'll, and to those who offered to hold or take my pills off my hands if I decided to flush them, lol, I understand and appreciate your motives, no harm no foul, have a good day.

 

[Desert-Mirage]

KRATOM will lead you to salvation

1. buy "premium" kratom from online vender
2. boil distilled water
3. put 8 grams of kratom in water for 15 mins
4. use a coffee filter and save the liquid and leaves
5. boil another pot of water and put the "already" used kratom in it for another 15 mins
6. use another coffee filter
7...drink the first boil in the morning and the second boils amount in the afternoon
8. YOU WILL BE FINE AND FEEL GOOD TOO!!

9....NOTICE the withdrawal symptoms go away within 30 mins of first cup

 

[Mora Fiend]

^ Good post man that's pretty much my Kratom method as well!

George we're all behind ya man and glad you're doing well! How is the pain at the reduced dose (not the withdrawl but the actual pain from the original injury)? If you ever need to vent or talk to someone you feel free to send me a private message! Keep it up!

 

[blakmike]

Keep on kickin ass George!

I'm very sorry about your friend and his wife/family.

Methinks your pharmacist has never suffered a serious injury like yours (or has family members who have either)

 

[Mora Fiend]

Glad to hear of the early refill. Funny thing is I live in a small town and the pharmacist shops at my business and usually was pretty friendly, but after getting these meds for two years now she doesn't even talk to me anymore, she's got this fucked up look on her face when I get my refills, maybe it's just me and she always had this fucked up look, but it trips me out. My wife says, after mentioning it to her, that the pharmacist still is friendly to her, just thinking out loud........

Well it's your own fault George, how dare you suffer a traumatic injury and need medication for pain relief. Ugh, I hate pharmacists like that.

 

[kmatrixg]

Still at the reduced dose doing OK physcially, mentally it comes and goes. Took some Kratom today for the first time 4 #4 caps about 3 grams I think, and I have to say that stuff works, considered a low dose but I feel it and feel good mentally, no obsession like before, less depression and anxiety, wife took 3 caps to check it out and she says she has more energy today, feels good also. So maybe this will be a little helper to get pass the mental part and when I reduce again next week maybe even the physcial part too. Thanks ya'll, and to those who offered to hold or take my pills off my hands if I decided to flush them, lol, I understand and appreciate your motives, no harm no foul, have a good day.

What an inspiring read man. Great job on lowering that huge daily dose and I'm glad you found relief in Kratom. It too, however, holds addiction potential. So stay true to yourself and be strong - if you feel you are replacing with Kratom just think back to where you were and how far you came! Best of Luck

 

[Pegasus]

^The reason that kratom is recommended is because the addiction potential is less than opiates. Over the few days/ weeks that opiate withdrawal lasts, no real dependence will have formed, if any (it likely will not be any at all). It seems that most people don't start to get dependence from kratom leaf without daily use for long periods, months in most cases.

 

[mr. mudd]

anything I take my body just fights with more RLS. I get RLS from phenobarb and temazepam even. I tried clonazepan during my last detox and I was up pacing all night. it's a paradoxical reaction. in the end my doctor just gave up, as did I. I haven't tried abilify (?), neurontin or epival but at this point, two months later, I'm starting to get about four hours of real sleep as long as I walk at least two hours a day. when I lie down I have bad RLS and twitches for about three hours, then it goes away and down I go.

my body seems to be in opiates-or-nothing mode, so I'm happy to give it nothing. the mania that comes with PAWS for me is enough to counteract the exhaustion, though I am starting to look like a raccoon. I have the sense that if I were to take anything for sleep at this point it'd just prolong the amount of time it'd take me to sleep on my own.

I went to the Y on Saturday and jogged like mad, lifted weights, swam and sat in the steam room. I actually slept close to eight hours. I wish I could do that every day.

mr mudd, why are you not being prescibed

1: Ambien for immediate sleep
2: Klonopin, which reduces your incidence of "sleep jerks, inclduing RLS.
3: Abilify which is on-label specifically for RLS.

 

[georgejungle]

Oh well at day 9 had a bad back morning and started taking my regular dosage for the last 4 days, come monday will start to taper again. The sad thing is after that bad back day, the next few days had been less painful but once I started back to the regular dosage you know the drill. The funny thing is I was feeling so much better mentally and now back to the mental drugged up BS that I feel at times. My intention was just to take that 1 dose but once I started it's right back to the way it was before I decided to taper. Oh well, thanks for listening.

 

[georgejungle]

Well it's your own fault George, how dare you suffer a traumatic injury and need medication for pain relief. Ugh, I hate pharmacists like that.

Thanks mora, you get it.

 

[georgejungle]

What an inspiring read man. Great job on lowering that huge daily dose and I'm glad you found relief in Kratom. It too, however, holds addiction potential. So stay true to yourself and be strong - if you feel you are replacing with Kratom just think back to where you were and how far you came! Best of Luck

Yes I realize it can be a problem also, I've only taken it that one time because the WD was not that bad. Thanks for the reply

 

[georgejungle]

KRATOM will lead you to salvation

1. buy "premium" kratom from online vender
2. boil distilled water
3. put 8 grams of kratom in water for 15 mins
4. use a coffee filter and save the liquid and leaves
5. boil another pot of water and put the "already" used kratom in it for another 15 mins
6. use another coffee filter
7...drink the first boil in the morning and the second boils amount in the afternoon
8. YOU WILL BE FINE AND FEEL GOOD TOO!!

9....NOTICE the withdrawal symptoms go away within 30 mins of first cup

Thanks for the recipe, I will use it exactly like you wrote when the time comes, had a setback but will be on the taper come monday, thanks

 

[Mora Fiend]

Thanks mora, you get it.

I get it because the same thing happened to me, and several others on here. There's a lot of people that are behind you on this and we understand just how difficult of a situation it can be. Ive said it before and I will say it again, needing to take something is a lot different than wanting to take something.