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Harm Reduction complex withdrawal questions

Wow it's hard to believe that some people don't withdrawal from sub.
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Yuuuup. 99% of the time I either don't believe them or they didn't take subs for very long compared to someone on maintenance. Then again, with a proper taper and a couple meds like (WOW) gaba ;) bupe w/d aren't all that bad, especially when compared to all the times I c/t'd heroin just using weed or nothing at all...

Yea, I had a short phase recently where I experimented with lope to get high. you need a lot, but it sure does work. the only think is that I enjoy subs more than lope's high, so, well, I have no reason to continue abusing my diarrhea meds =D

Wait, so you're still going to have to wait 72hrs for the pins?
or the pin and the bupe?
but you are gonna get the temaz tomorrow, right?
 
By the way you guys were right, the abstention is definitely helping. I think i would have seized by now. And that's hard to believe that the max dose was quoted at 1800, for i am prescribed 600 for times a day. But the stuff really isn't dose dependent =\ . The billbio availability kind of decreases as the dose increases. They should have me on pregab. I have noticed however that subs potentiate the gab and vice versa. Anyone else notice this??
 
Yes tooth paste,i get the temaz tomorrow, i was waiting 72 hours to take my last bit of sub on your advice heh. Wow you think a lot like me, I'd like to talk to you more because it is hard to find people that don't bs these days. I don't know how to exchange info maybe you do, let me know. :)
 
I got aim but tbh I hate using it. Tricomb can attest to this (I keep telling him, "yea yea I'll be on in an hour," and then he waits up all night for me and I never show. we're probably gonna get a divorce soon...) anyways, back to reality: once you become a full fledged BLer (@ 50 posts or something? Iono what their rather un-stringent requirements are these days) send me a pm and I'll hook it up, as they say ;)

Well, at least you'll get the temaz tomorrow. That'll do WONDERS for your I am assuming at this time very fragile state of mind (I mean, I'd be kinda bonkers if I were in your position right about now).

As for the bupe: Yea, the longer you can put that off the better. Are you going to get another script for it or is this it? The loperamide should make you w/d from it infinitely more bearable than it might have otherwise been (as will your benzos).

Just try to go easy and pace yourself with the temaz, and especially the pins. I doubt you ever want to be in such a position again... no fun, no fun at all!
 
No i never want to feel like this again, i imagine this would take down the strongest of minds. No i don't see another sub script in the near future, i owe my doc for subs 300 dollars, and i was getting them for free off my girlfriend, and we just broke up yesterday. I'll be honest going through a break up while on such bad withdrawal has been the most difficult thing i have ever encountered. I have to admit however that without the support of you and the others i might not have made it thus far. Right now it is really hard not to dip into my remaining 3 or so mg of sub. I can only imagine the relief that would wash over my body. You know? Even a mg. What do you think?

@sp0r412
 
One thing that is odd, when i withdrawal, things seem funnier, for example adult swim is cracking me up right now. Normally i would just be staring at the screen with my eyes half open and my jaw hanging
 
Yea if its that bad and you benefit so much I'd just go ahead with the sub. Just as long as you'll get you temaz tomorrow. Use lope for the rest of your w/d and with the added help of your benzodiazepines you'll be good. Well off to bed for me. Good luck me friend. You might wanna post over in TDS for opioid withdrawal support.
 
Wow ok, i am about to go on a voyage to pick up my temazepam, unfortunately, it is a pretty long bus ride and the bus is a pretty long walk, i have a decision to make too. I may be being 2 more subs sent to me from my x, but i have to give her half of my temazepam and 30 of my climates when i greet get them, it is very tempting, because at least I'll be getting both. one more thing, i think that the tooth paste dog would be a great mod. Look at the hure hr essence in his posts. Not to sway too pufoff topic. I also hope that other people benefit from this thread when they are having a difficult time withdrawing, because i have to be honest, without this thread, i may not have made it. I hope someone else can post their dilemma before this closes ( which i hope it doesn't real soon) i would like to consult some of these posts when my 16mg subs arrive
Thanks and I'll let u guys know how the trademark changes things
Regards,
Mygeenbic (op)
 
Hope you're doing well and have your temaz now!

Wait, so you'll be getting another 16mg suboxone? When will this be? Sorry, me confused I am.

Def check back with us here and let us know how you're doing. Much <3 mgb
 
Thanks for the love, I'm sitting in cvs right now and i really hope the temaz is going to help, i don't know if it's strong enough for klon withdrawal, do you think is?
And i can get more sunshine if i give my x 15 of my 30 30mg temaz and then on a week i have to give her half of my klons all just for 2 strips which i might end up doing unfortunately because it might sound like a shitty deal but 16mg sounds like allot to someone who is dope sick. What do you guys suggest??
 
That's a HORRIBLE fucking deal. Pls exercise self restraint and do not do that. You NEED your benzos, at least for the immediate future.

And yes, I'm sure the temaz will help alleviate much if not all of your w/d symptoms running out of your pins has caused. I mean, you might need to take 90mg, well you'll probably end up having to take something like such a high dose as that, but it'll def do you some good.

Why not pick some Tagamet up since you're at CVS? It'll help increase the efficacy of the sub in your system already (although probably not by much since I assume it's been a while since you took it) and I know of quite a few who like to take Tagamet to potentiate their benzos (so I'm thinking if somehow the temaz doesn't do it for you, you might try using Tagamet to potentiate it and get more of an effect).
 
Also i have really bad anxiety from the withdrawal and i never took the trademark by itself before, is it good for anxieties or just for sleep? Its strange i usually could answer all of these questions on my own but that would kind of be like a doctor diagnosing himself and my head is pretty foggy from all the stress I'm putting on it. I did my remaining little bit of hope early this morning ( about five hours ago) and it helped so much but the Benz withdrawal took over and i can hardly feel it anymore. I just now swallowed 150mg of temaz so hopefully something will happen soon. Does gabapentin potentiate the effects of temazepam? Jesus plodding addiction is a monster, there should be more rigorous studies on it. Hopefully this individually awkward thread will help fellow thoroughfare in distress.
@sp0r412
 
haha, no worries friend. I wouldn't take any gaba - it won't really do anything for you or your benzos. Temaz isn't nearly as good for anxiety as something like kpins, but it should do a lot to help you out, especially if you just took 150mg.

Remember now, it's not like we're doctors here either. Although, I do like to consider myself something of a basement shaman =D
 
Regardless of whether it is good for anxiety in general, the ammount of relief you are certain to feel when you get a benzo in your system is going to make you feel so much better.

And like toothpastedog said, don't make that trade man, it's not a good one (in fact I think it's horribly cruel that your ex would even make such a demand given your current situation). Take the Loperamide instead if you can get it, otherwise you're going to find yourself in a similarly fucked situation in a few weeks, when your once again out of subs as well as clonazepam and temazepam.

Also, I wasn't originally aware that you were injecting the suboxone. You can go a long way with three mg, given that ROA. You have to think of the BA, sublingual is 30% whereas IV is 100%, therefor, .6mg IV is approximately equal to 2mg sublingual which should be enough to get you out of withdrawals, fuck, if it's getting that bad .3mg would probably even do the trick, and if you can get relief out of a low dosage like that-then you got 10 doses left
 
Znegative said:
Also, I wasn't originally aware that you were injecting the suboxone. You can go a long way with three mg, given that ROA. You have to think of the BA, sublingual is 30% whereas IV is 100%, therefor, .6mg IV is approximately equal to 2mg sublingual which should be enough to get you out of withdrawals, fuck, if it's getting that bad .3mg would probably even do the trick, and if you can get relief out of a low dosage like that-then you got 10 doses left
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^+1 Yes Yes YES!

EDIT: and yes, the OP said he already had a stash of lope on hand. I hope he doesn't make that trade. Echoing your feelings about his ex, that is pretty fucked up. She's just using him, plain and simple, in offering suck him such a "deal."
 
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^I wish I had known this was the OP's ROA to begin with. When I first read the post I was thinking to myself (hmm, if I was stuck in that predicament, I would just switch back to intravenous buprenorphine) but obviously I wouldn't recomend that to someone if they're trying to not shoot drugs anymore..Even as it is, I would give plugging a try to. The BA is still 50% lower than IV, but IMO, the duration certainly makes up for it.
 
toothpastedog said:
haha, no worries friend. I wouldn't take any gaba - it won't really do anything for you or your benzos. Temaz isn't nearly as good for anxiety as something like kpins, but it should do a lot to help you out, especially if you just took 150mg.

Remember now, it's not like we're doctors here either. Although, I do like to consider myself something of a basement shaman =D
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Get yourself some desert sand(box)..Who knows how far a s.w. cactus meditation session could take you !
(NOT being condescending)
 
I mean i agree you aren't doctors, but better. Dr are puppets for the pharmaceutical industry, and they have very little training on addiction medicine, where i believe is addicts now a lot more. You should here some of the vs propaganda i hear doctors spreading. It is almost sad
The 150 mg tarmaz provided significantly relief although it created a small craving mechanism. People don't forget how hard it is to remember what being sick is like when you aren't. O have a refill on the moon on April 5 which insurance will cover and muster doctor whom i get. New script ouoff of tomorrow of o can come up with the money. I know i a.c. being taken advantage of which is why she is my x, put the thought of not tapering and going through withdrawal again seems obscured to me especially when i can use toothpaste original trailetaper chart. I also get a script of 60 30mg it federally tomorrow if i can find the money
Amp has helped delay posted withdrawal o inn the past but then energies and opiate transmitters are fucked
This is never going to get better
:(
 
Naw, you never know. You just got to rediscover your old passions as well as find some new ones. I mean, if you wanna be happy, that's pretty much a requirement imo
 
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