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Complex Regional Pain Syndrome - Thoughts on treatment ?

Ondine

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Hi all,

So I underwent surgery to remove hardware from my foot (5 screws and a plate in my heel) two weeks ago. I'd been experiencing minor discomfort and nerve pain with the hardware in and decided to get it taken out as early as possible in the hope that it would alleviate that pain and make it easier for me to sleep.

Unfortunately, I awoke from the surgery in excruciating pain and entered into what everyone thought at the time was a delirium induced by the anesthesia. I have little recollection beyond the pain, but I tore skin from my chest and arms with my nails and had to be restrained and sedated. I ended up having to remain in the hospital for two extra days.

It now appears that what was thought to be delirium was likely a very intense manic episode caused by the precipitation of bipolar disorder (genetic in my Mom's side) and exacerbated by the pain. I've had quite a few of these attacks since then, with some being very intense and lasting for hours, and some being stoppable through will power alone. I'm beginning treatment with depakote and seroquel today, which will hopefully bring in some stability.

Unfortunately, the pain in my foot, which I originally characterized as a 10 on the pain scale while I was first in the hospital, has only gotten worse. I'd call it something like an 18 now, but I guess that's confusing to doctors and nurses somehow, so I still call it a 10. The pain was originally localized in my toes and the front half of my foot, characterized as an constant, intense burning, crushing feeling, with skin sensitivity, and frequently a shooting pain like an electric shock that would go up to my mid shin. Now the pain has progressed to the whole of my foot, with the shoot pain reaching my thigh. After seeing my surgeon twice and being told to tough it out (I'd had distantly related pain with the original injury due to a build up of lymphatic fluid), and being given an inadequate amount of pain killers (15mg of oxycodone, 4 times a day), I asked for, and was given a referral to a pain clinic. I went to my first appointment this morning, and was told that they were fairly certain I had CRPS, which was what I had feared. They offered to perform a sympathetic nerve block, and I accepted, just willing to try anything that would help. Unfortunately, the nerve block did little else than make me loopy and uncomfortable. At the same time, they prescribed a course of high dose steroids (though I need to wait for the okay from my surgeon before I can get it filled), and a specialized kind of topical cream that will arrive in 2-3 weeks. As I've read online and as they've described to me, these are all treatments that sometimes work on CRPS. They don't really understand it, and thus, don't have an effective treatment.

They scheduled my next appointment at the pain clinic for two weeks and it nearly broke my heart. I'm 21 years old and living with my parents currently while I recover. Both fortunately and unfortunately, my mother is a physician. She's very knowledgeable and a sweet person, but also conservative and uptight when it comes to prescribing medicine. She won't let me handle my own medication, and insists on sitting in during all of my doctors appointments, the result being that I'm afraid to ask for a stronger dose or kind of opioid from my doctor. The few times that I have the guts to, she passive aggressively undercuts me and discourages the doctor from making any changes.

When I went to the pain clinic, I had hoped that they would bring this up and offer to discuss changing the medication I was on, but they didn't, and I can't handle it. I don't believe that I can withstand another 2 weeks in this amount of pain, especially since it seems to be increasing, so I've decided that I need to make a plan.

I've read several articles on methadone claiming it to be the best opioid to treat neuropathic pain due to its effect on NMDA receptors. I feel like I need a plan to go about asking for it, or at least a plan to ask about switching to morphine, dilaudid, opana or fentanyl. I know I might need to go around my Mom to do this, and it's stressful, so any advice people could give, about asking about painkillers, or even personal experience with specific opiates and CRPS or nerve pain would be greatly appreciated.

I've researched other treatments extensively, but would also love to hear about anyone's personal experiences with a treatment that wasn't an opiate. I know that they aren't a cure for the syndrome, and that they don't specifically treat nerve pain. But I'm feeling like I'm hanging on by a thread here, and I need at least some relief, even if it's only temporary.
 
What did you get the screws and plate for?
Do you have any skin discoloration or swelling?

Your mom is doing this out of love. I'm sure she doesn't want you to get addicted to opiates, but in this situation you have every right to get stronger opioids. You're an adult now, you decide what you want. Try to go to your appointement without her, so you can get stronger medication.

Good luck
 
Hey man, sorry about the CRPS. I am right there with you. I was diagnosed with CRPS about 2 years ago and go referred to a pain clinic and went through a series of different medications with my neurologist before hand. Gabapentin, lyrica, topical creams, tramadol, etc. The pain clinic then after seeing I extinguished all other choices of meds had put me on vicodin which also had no success. So after a month of that I was put on oxycodone. I went used this for about 2 months and decided I didn't want to go the route of narcotics and stopped going for about a year and just tried dealing with the pain and used every sort of herbal medicine you can think of. All sorts of roots and honestly bullshit remedies that didn't do jack.

Finally I got fed up with the pain and needed to get some control over it. I called and got another referral to go back to the pain clinic. They immediately put me back on oxycodone for the first month and it did nothing, so they up'ed my dose for the next month and still nothing. So they switched me to fentanyl patches with oxycodone for breakthrough pain. No Success, in fact my arm started to go numb at this point for hours at a time. I called and went in on my next visit and then they switched me to Oxymorphone 20mg er every 8 hours and Oxymorphone IR 10mg 3x daily for breakthrough.

What I have to say is, I have finally found a med that actually takes my pain away and I am getting some sort of life back without always thinking how much my hand and arm hurts (I have it from a knife fight a few years back in which I got 50 stitches on my fingers) My dose has been up'ed since then yet but that is only because of obvious tolerance issues.

I also have been getting nerve block injections in to a ganglion on nerves through my neck to try and block the pain receptors to reach my brain. I have had one shot so far and the first one left my neck super stiff and felt like I had a sore throat for a little less than a week. I was little impressed about the pain it was supposed to stop (didn't stop any) but it did take away all the numb/falling asleep feelings I started getting. I hope the next one I have coming up helps more so I can take less of these oxymorphones because I do not want to be controlled by or need any substance.

What I am ultimately saying is, hang in there man. If you stay honest with yourself and your nurses and docs, they will help you out with whatever you need and as long as your not there for the high and actually there for the pain reduction all things will line up. You just have to go through the motions because unfortunately there is a lot of idiots out there who make it hard for people like us to get to the actual meds and treatments we need for our horribly painful issues. Seriously, hang in there it may not be curable yet and is known to get worse. But I feel as time progresses we will find a way to cope with it even better than pain meds or shots. Hope all goes well bro.
 
^^ Thanks for the story and kind words

I'm down to 20mg of oxycodone twice a day along with 1200mg of gabapentin twice a day and finding it quite ineffective.

On the positive side, I finally found a doctor who seems to be open to trying some newer and stronger treatments.

Right now, the both of us have our highest hopes for a 2 week ketamine infusion therapy that will happen early in the Fall (still needs lots of government approval apparently).

Your story about finally getting relief from the Opana ER and IR was very encouraging. My state has recently become extremely draconian in how it prescribes narcotics long term. I'm not sure how possible it will be for me to get an ER opiate, but I'm more confident now and will ask soon.

My pain specialist brought up Methadone, due to its NMDA activity, which also sounded promising.

My hope is just that I'll be able to get adequate opiate prescriptions so I can be relatively comfortable and continue with my physical therapy until I can begin the ketamine infusion.

Thanks for all the support guys, I know this is going to be a rocky road, but I'm young and I have a good prognosis at this point so I am hopeful. Every reply I get on BL helps me move forward. I'll keep you all updated just in case I need some more advice or if someone else comes on here looking for info as well.

The biggest I've learned with this process is that anyone in chronic pain needs to be assertive. You will be second guessed and treated like a drug seeker, but the best way to make progress is to keep your mind and your body moving in a positive direction.
 
I was diagnosed with severe CRPS following an injury when I was 17 and was unable to walk at all for 18 months. For a long time, my physiotherapy consisted of being given a rubber block to bite down on, while a tissue was dragged over my foot and leg. I have never felt pain like it. Couldn't sleep, couldn't even breathe half the time.

I won't go through all of the meds I was prescribed throughout this time, as what worked for me likely won't work for you. Tons of nerve blocks - none of them took. They wanted to do a pain pump implant - I refused. I did end up having a seizure from Tramadol at one stage though, and opted to stop all pain meds unless I was actively exercising the limb (I would only take pain meds prior to physio sessions). Despite the agony, this was the best decision I could have made.

At one stage, I used to pop my full daily dose of oxy first thing in the morning, and every single day, I would push myself as hard as I possibly could to walk. This condition is poorly understood, but we do know that regaining movement in the limb is essential to recovery. Easier said than done, of course. I would vomit from the pain. I'd be in tears. I wanted to get better, so I simply kept going, even when I thought I couldn't. I put everything I had into my physiotherapy, pushing as hard as possible. I still went to school almost every day, no matter how hard it was. I still went out with friends. My father used to call me Lieutenant Dan (Forrest Gump) - "I'm not a fking cripple, I don't need your help" used to fly out of my mouth all the time. The determination to keep moving, no matter how bad the pain was, is the thing that saved me. Had to go to inpatient rehab for a few weeks towards the end for more intensive treatment.

I had a pain management team - occupational therapist, physio, psych - I'm very fortunate to have been under the care of incredible doctors. I'm not sure what kind of services you have access to, but I had to attend 4-5 appointments every week for well over two years. I thought most of it was a massive waste of time, especially the psych, but I couldn't have been more wrong.

Meditation truly was the thing that helped with the pain the most - I strongly suggest that you look into this. It improved my quality of life more than I can explain. At 17, I thought meditation was the biggest load of shit ever. I would go to my appointments, and lay there thinking to myself how ridiculous it all was. But then, through being forced to practice at each appointment, I eventually got very good at it. And the pain let up. The mental exhaustion and agitation cleared. I was able to get through the physio sessions easier, and further decrease my pain meds. It really was amazing, and I seriously can't recommend it enough - I'm still thankful to this day that I discovered it.

Pushing as hard as possible through my physio and meditating frequently is what saved me. Most days, I would wake up thinking that I couldn't do it anymore. I didn't want the pain, I didn't want to push myself so hard. But not once did I ever skip my exercises. Not once did I not push myself till I couldn't push anymore. Do as much as you can. Not only is this important for your physical recovery, but holding on to your determination and proving your strength will greatly assist in warding off depression. Don't resign yourself to taking pain meds, just waiting for the CRPS to clear. I found that learning to accept and live with some degree of pain was crucial. I ended up with a Tramadol dependency (started abusing in order to relieve pain), and it almost ruined me. I was young and stupid. I learnt that lesson pretty quickly, and ended up more determined than ever to get better and walk. And I did. Seriously, do your exercises, get a good pain management team (OT, psych, physio), take what you need for the pain, but don't expect it to go away. It may feel unbearable, and it probably is, but you can grow stronger and overcome that. Do absolutely everything in your power to win.
 
Mel, that is an incredible account of your battle. Could you describe how meditation helped with the physical pain? I have experience with mindfulness helping emotional pain but I am currently trying to deal with physical pain without medication and I am at a loss.
 
It helped slowly but surely, and significantly. I was seriously surprised at how incredibly effective it was once I actually started using it properly! My progress would have been delayed quite a bit, due to my reluctance to think it was anything other than hippie b.s for a long time.

As I said, I thought it was a total load of shit. I saw the OT twice per week, and 90% of the time, it was meditation.

I saw her for over two years, and I don't think I would ever have been able to mediate properly without her assistance. A professional guiding you through it really helps I think, and as I was lucky to have been forced to see her for so long, I learnt the techniques pretty thoroughly. She understood the condition, and she understood pain.

I'm not sure exactly what type of meditation she uses, but it was amazing. I could describe it if you like?

The pain was so bad, I was never able to sleep with a sheet touching my leg or foot, and I couldn't wear clothes that touched the area. Even when I started to bear weight, this issue remained. I feel that meditating helped clear this up when nothing else could.

I have always been a problem sleeper, and the pain made this a LOT worse. After a while, I would be wide awake, in the middle of the day, and I would be able to put myself to sleep on the floor of her office in around 20 mins. I would still wake up from the pain in the middle of the night, but most of the time, the meditation helped me get back to sleep when I was never able to before.

As I was unable to weight bear at all one one foot/leg for a long period of time, I took to hopping around instead of using crutches most of the time. Lol. Much quicker. Anyway, before I started meditating, I could feel the pain sort of bursting up my leg with each bounce - I think it was the air hitting it? I dunno. After I started meditating, the sharp pain almost completely disappeared most days. This pain was always present and perhaps only slightly reduced by the various pain meds.

The difference in the pain overall was seriously surprising...such a relief, as well as a big shock. After I saw results, I became addicted to getting as good at it as I possibly could. It's kind of hard to describe...but the pain was just so much more bearable...it was still there, but it seemed to just fade into the background somehow. I think meditation over time significantly changes your reactions to the pain, and it decreases it more than I could have ever imagined. It's almost like the pain becomes less intrusive as well as less apparent? I dunno. What I do know, is that I was able to meditate before my physio sessions, and get through a LOT more than I ever could before - it helped in this respect much more than the meds ever did. I would mediate for around 30 mins twice daily, as well as attending 2 x 60 min sessions per week with the OT. When I got lazy with the meditating, my pain noticeably increased, probably almost doubled if I remember correctly. I also became agitated by the pain a lot more easily when I skipped the meditation, and it just bothered me in general a lot more. I was able to function much more easily, and just get on with life. Reducing the pain meds helped a lot - I could never stand that mental fog and lack of drive that comes with them. My OT showed me a lot of interesting studies re: meditation and pain...definitely worth a search, the results are fascinating.

All the best HERBAVORE, and I really hope you can find something that works as well for you as the meditation worked for me <3
 
Mel, thanks for sharing.
I have high hopes for a ketamine infusion treatment I'll be getting sort of soon, but I think you're right that doing your best to stay mind-body aware and healthy is the best way to treat CRPS when you're in the earlier stages. I know that in my case at least, at about a month and a half in to the diagnosis, I find it increasingly hard to meditate and relax, and to utilize touch therapy, as the amount of pain and sensitivity is still increasing and it's honestly more frightening than anything else.

I'm using opiates as a crutch and I'll probably continue to do so, but I always have to force myself to be aware that that road doesn't lead anywhere better.

The bottom line I think is that the human mind and body can overcome incredible odds. I still havent found it within myself to treat my CRPS with just meditation and PT, but it's going to be the best path to take.
 
I wasn't in the early stages when I started to use the meditation regularly...it was about nine months or so after I was diagnosed. Six weeks is still early days!!

It does become increasingly hard to relax, which makes meditation all the more important in my opinion. The pain is very exhausting. Stress has a significant impact on pain levels, and working to keep this under control is key. I know how frightening it all is.

I used opiates as well, and they can be helpful. Just be sure not to rely solely on meds. Are you doing physio? Seeing a psych? OT? I couldn't imagine being able to have recovered without them. Doing your exercises is SUPER important...I can't stress this enough. If you're not moving, you're really hurting your chances at making a full recovery...and honestly, fuck that. Fuck living with CRPS for a minute longer than you have to.

Good luck with it all...it's a bitch of a thing. Be tough, look after yourself, and get as much professional help and guidance as you possibly can.
 
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